Media is painting Moyers with a Chimp Paint Brush

[goclark]

Sorry for my lack of details but it was early in the morning on the West Coast when I was half sleep and listening to these clowns...

Supreme Dragon of the Neo Cons on CSPAN this morning was putting Moyers down big time.

What did he say about Bill Moyers and O'Lielly?

Heard him say that he absolutely did NOT agree to go on the Moyers Special last night, brushed Moyers aside with his words. :puke:

He did say that he would be willing to debate one on one with Moyers about the lead up to the war "in the future."

He was so cocky and confident that WAR was the right thing to do.
Several callers tried to tell him otherwise but he stuck firmly to his lies.

He also slipped in some Neo Con talking point about Moyers and something that happened in the Johnson Administration.
What was that all about..?

:puke:

Then they gave it a swift mention on MSNBC and CNN ~ that is all I have heard.

If I didn't see the most fantastic piece of journalism last night,
I would have believed that it was a
"D-,Let's move along Presentation!!"

[AnneD]

1. I saw it with my own eyes...

He did for Iraq what Walter Chronkite did for VietNam.

[goclark]

4. That was my impression too ~ It was fantastic,brilliant

and worthy of Awards!

Not in anyway was it recognized on the three shows that I saw this morning.

How will we get America to see this?

It is a must see for every American over the age of 10 years.

[firefox_fan]

11. I missed it. Is it going to replay?

[AnneD]

15. I am sure it will

Lot's of things stream online at PBS. This is important enough that I am sure it will. They were honest enough to talk about PBS's complacency too. My main complain is that this refusal to check the facts is not JUST about Iraq. I have to do my own research on ANY story anymore when it concerns this administration. Our founding fathers thought so much of an independent press that they gave them certain rights that even I don't posses. They did this so we could be informed voting citizens. The press has been so compliant as to be shamed-painted with the same brush of corruption that we paint the administration.

[WinkyDink]

21. Cronkite helped bring down Carter, don't forget. Every night he counted down the days

of the Hostage Crisis.

[AnneD]

23. I think you are confusing Chronkite

with Ted Koppel. Different anchor, different channel, different show.

[SoCalDem]

33. Yep.. ted was an upstart young guy then, and he saw this event

as HIS OWN ticket to the "show"..

To be fair, though.. Nightline WAS a good show and did a lot of probing interviews back then..

Carter lost out because he did not go on tv immediately and defend his position, forcefully.. He ended up being eaten alive by the new(then) slime machine that was just in its infancy.

the slime machine is now the SLIME MACHINE

[AnneD]

34. GOD...

are we that old. History is something you are suppose to memorize, not live through.

[no_hypocrisy]

2. They're kind of making Moyer's point with their rebuttals.

[MADem]

3. That's why they're showing the replays of that dangerous show at zero dark thirty NT

[goclark]

6. Every member of DU must see this Special

and spread it far and wide.

Is it up on the PBS website yet?

[MADem]

7. I am given to understand that it is. NT

[bdamomma]

16. Yes, I am watching it now, and I am fuming, everything we

have been saying is true, they are all criminals, and we have to fight back, or they will do it again with Iran. 3,324 have now died, isn't that enough dead? all for LIES. Moyers was great to have this on last nite, I only wish more people would view it, to find how they were BS'ed into a war. Disgusting and despicable, Rove, Cheney, and the whole cabal has to go.

[Cha]

5. Of course, they are...

"IT'S THE MEDIA STUPID!!"

[snappyturtle]

8. I heard the whole sickening segment.

When asked whether he watched the Moyers' special he said that he had better things to do and Susan had to get in and say she went to bed early---like she would have watched! I caught a bit of the Johnson Administration issue but I was fixing breakfast and I'm not a quiet cook in the mornings but he said he thought Moyers had audacity criticizing the Iraq War when he was an accomplice to the administration that got us into Viet Nam! When I saw he was a guest this morning I was a little surprised he was on because of last night's Moyers special.....well, we know rw's don't plan ahead.

[seemunkee]

27. But some people learned a lesson from Vietnam

Quite obviously Krystal is not one of them.

[snappyturtle]

32. Obviously...I agree. nt

[Marr]

9. What else can they possibly say? Moyers' made a fact-based argument.

All they can do is what they always do- attack the person who made the argument.

[snappyturtle]

10. Yep, go after the messenger. nt

[unpossibles]

12. of course they attack him

he pointed out their complicity and faults in this war.

[goclark]

26. They not only attack him they erase

him at the same time.

Neo Cons still have so much power in this country!

Moyers should have been the 1st guest this morning on CNN and MSNBC but not a peep did I hear.

[Clark2008]

13. Who is the Supreme Dragon of the neo-cons you reference?

Perle? Wolfie? Big Dick?

[Demit]

18. Thank you. I read this thread trying to learn that too!

[peekaloo]

19. I believe the OP is referring to Bill Kristol, he of the Weekly Double Standard.

Moyers' piece skewered old possum face as the war "expert" he truly is not!

[goclark]

24. Grand Dragon Kristol

My tin hat is on that he just happened to be the guest today.
He had uninterrupted time to answer the questions.
The nice moderator, the lady, did not question him in the least for the time that I was hearing it this morning.

http://www.cspan.org/homepage.asp?Cat=Series&Code=WJE&ShowVidNum=9&Rot_Cat_CD=WJ&Rot_HT=206&Rot_WD=&ShowVidDays=100&ShowVidDesc=&ArchiveDays=30

[AnneD]

30. They really...

squered him-and deservedly so. I didn't think they went after Krautheimer enough. Brit Hume should have been flayed to death. His comments belong on the DC society page on the bottom of my birdcage.

[Roland99]

14. I can't wait to watch this on my PC at home this weekend (or perhaps catch a PBS rerun)

[rodeodance]

17. MOYER'S BUYING THE WAR. AVAILABLE TO VIEW ONLINE!

Pass around.
..
Tell Bill Moyers Thank You at:



http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/about/feedback.html

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http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion/index.php?ntid=130959&ntpid=0
Editorial: Moyers to the rescue

An editorial
April 25, 2007

Bill Moyers is not the first American to ask with regard to media coverage of the run-up to the invasion of Iraq: "How did the mainstream press get it so wrong?"

The man who has been a White House press secretary, newspaper publisher, author and television news program host is not alone in wondering: How did the evidence disputing Bush administration claims and intimations regarding the existence of weapons of mass destruction and the link between Saddam Hussein and 9/11 continue to go largely unreported?

But Moyers has done something that most Americans have not had the time, the resources or the contacts to do, and that is answer the fundamental questions about the failure of print, broadcast and cable news outlets to cut through the spin and give the American people the truth about the Bush administration's unwarranted rush to war.

"What the conservative media did was easy to fathom; they had been cheerleaders for the White House from the beginning and were simply continuing to rally the public behind the president -- no questions asked," explains Moyers. "How mainstream journalists suspended skepticism and scrutiny remains an issue of significance that the media have not satisfactorily explored. How the administration marketed the war to the American people has been well covered, but critical questions remain: How and why did the press buy it, and what does it say about the role of journalists in helping the public sort out fact from propaganda?"

[goclark]

20. Thank you! Can you make your post it's own thread?

It is so valuable I don't want it to get lost in my rant about the Neo Cons. :)

[Cameron27]

22. It's like a bad dream.

Kennedy & Byrd, Landay & Strobel were shouting warnings, but no one listened. I'm not ready to forgive ANYBODY who has blood on their hands. No excuse is acceptable, and no apology matters.

It was a mass sell-out to the neocons and they should feel nothing but shame.

Bill Moyers is an honorable messenger.

[goclark]

25. Neo Cons don't feel a thing but $$$$

I can tell you that Bill Kristol was as cool as a cucumber this morning.

[Cameron27]

28. That was the whole point of it ... $$$

No I wasn't thinking about the neocons, they're forever hopeless. I was talking about everyone else who should have looked at the lack of evidence, but didn't, and bought into the lie.

[goclark]

29. Absolutely! nt

[AnneD]

31. I think they have their

conscious surgically removed.

It is not the money folks. No, in truth, it (and the NeoCons)is about power: getting it, using it and retaining it. It was the same with Saddam. He had the misfortune of sitting on all of that oil and thinking that following the UN weapons inspectors was enough to protect him.

The easiest way to tighten your grip on power is to frighten and distract the population. Look at how much power has been taken from a complacent Congress. The SCOTUS is fast becoming a rubber stamp. Soon both will be made irrelevant. So what does it look like when Representatives have no power, and the Judaical rubber stamps the laws, and folks are kept in line bu secret authority? Looks like a totalitarian regime to me. I have had folks laugh at me to my face or behind my back about this but just because it has not happened in out short history, don't think it can't.

I am not stupid or crazy. I happen to know our history and our civics. I follow politics and love psychology. I happen to be in the right place sometimes and I love a good game of chess. I can spot where their moves will take us several steps before most folks realize what hit them.

Kristol and Rove can be as cool as they want, but I'll outlive some of these folks and see the tried for their crimes. Mussolini was hung, Hitler shot himself, Tojo was hung. Their time will come.