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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:09 PM
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Bernie Sanders on MSNBC re: the spending freeze: "There are some programs we can cut substantially"
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 07:37 PM by berni_mccoy
On Morning Joe, Sen. Sanders was asked if Obama is headed in the wrong direction with a spending freeze ( video link here, relevant part around 4:07: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/vp/35077482#35077482 ).

His answer: "It depends on what programs you are talking about. There are some programs we can cut substantially. There are some programs you're going to have to increase. If we're finding that the people of America are going hungry or sleeping out in the streets, you're going to have to respond to that. If you're finding programs where there are lot of waste and bureaucracy, I think you can cut them."

In other words, No, Obama is not headed in the wrong direction with a spending freeze. A Spending Freeze can be appropriate. And, according to Sanders, "there are some programs we can cut substantially".

Putting this freeze into perspective with the facts:

- All we know about the freeze is that it is for $25 billion over 3 years. (source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/25/AR2010012504052_2.html )

- The 2009 Budget of the United States of the U.S. was $3,100,000,000,000. (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_United_States_federal_budget )

- After the cut of $25 billion, that's $3,075,000,000,000. Or, in other words, the freeze would trim off approximately 0.8% of the entire budget.

- During Bush's first 3 years, Bush raised Discretionary Non-Defense spending by over half a trillion dollars (http://journals.democraticunderground.com/berni_mccoy/894 ). Over Bush's entire term, he increased Discretionary Non-Defense spending by over $1 trillion.

It explains a lot that many here would rather believe that The Republican Spending Explosion of George W. Bush would be totally worthwhile spending than to think President Obama could find at least $25 billion in the wasteful spending generated by the worst Administration in the history of the U.S.

Maybe those focusing their attacks on the President should take a listen to Bernie Sanders, who, in the very same interview this morning on Morning Joe, and I quote, said, "I'm a supporter of Obama".

DUers should be ashamed of the reactionary and uninformed attacks on President Obama on this site. I can't say it any better than the top-rec'd post at Daily Kos: (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/1/25/830272/-This-place-has-lost-its-mind)

This place has lost its mind.
...
Oh Dear G-d... shut the shops, get the kids home, call in the dog and get all the canned goods you can, the world is about to end.

The President wants to freeze spending that amounts to less than 1% of the entire budget. You don't think that there isn't $25 billion of duplication, waste, unnecessary costs somewhere in that three and half trillion dollars?

Stop the insanity!

Stop attacking the President like a bunch of Red Staters.

You wonder why we always seem to lose the media game- go look in the fucking mirror.

In 2008, we helped to elect a President because we stuck together and stuck by the message of the campaign. That message has not changed. We have. We've become like a twitching finger on a hair trigger. We don't get everything we want, we're ready to toss every Democrat over the side, impeach the President, and other stupidity.

Heaven forbid we wait 48 hours to hear what the President actually wants to do. No, can't do that. We have to go off half-cocked, based on tweets and other rumor, and decide that the President has switched parties, found his inner Cheney and plans on invading 27 more countries by tomorrow all while cutting taxes on millionaires.

Enough of the insanity.


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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:11 PM
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1. Get rid of the Dept of HS.
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Ardent15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 04:50 PM
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32. Seconded. Also, cut DOD by a lot.
The MIC is a threat to America.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:12 PM
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2. I heard McConnell on NPR decrying the spending "over the last 12 months"
no he actually said that
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 03:29 PM
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18. McConnell is a GOP lock-stepping turd.
Never questioned Bush's spending explosion, did he?
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 03:48 PM
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21. Heard the same thing. I couldn't find anything close to throw at my radio.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:13 PM
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3. The office of "Faith-based Initiatives" can go entirely
I don't know what their current funding level is, but it can be cut 100%.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 01:20 PM
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17. Prime example. Indeed.
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:13 PM
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4. How bout the bloated military? n/t
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 03:45 PM
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20. funny how so many neglect to mention them as a cutback option...
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Alias Dictus Tyrant Donating Member (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 04:49 PM
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31. Military spending is largely personnel costs...
...and the current administration just deployed a large number of personnel to places like Afghanistan.

They painted themselves into a corner on that one.
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557188 Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:16 PM
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5. Bernie Sanders is a sell out
He lost his socialist credibility.

Simple as that.
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alstephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:20 PM
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7. Bernie is a sell out???
I think you're the one that lost credibility.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:07 PM
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13. I can't tell if you forgot a sarcasm tag
or if you are serious. Do tell.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:17 PM
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14. socalist credibility is an oxymoron
it's like "phrenologist credibility" or "alchemist credibility"

hth
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 04:40 PM
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30. It's getting crowded under the bus.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:20 PM
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6. But....Jesus H. Krugman disagrees with Bernie
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:38 PM
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11. Krugman has been all over the place recently
one minute he attacks Jane Hamsher,

then he defends Obama on the economy,

then he attacks Obama with a knee-jerk reaction.

He didn't even consider the budget increases under Bush or point out how tiny $25 billion would really be. I get his point... we need to spend more to stimulate the economy. That doesn't preclude a selective budget freeze though.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:54 PM
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12. Glad people are finally seeing what I've been pointing out about Krugman for months
He uses his column and blog to take personal shots at people who disagree with him and his knowledge of economics clearly does not translate into other topics.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:21 PM
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8. Thanks for that.
For cryin out loud, people need to pay attention and stop the armchair quarterbacking.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:24 PM
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9. I believe Sanders point was, it depends on what programs we're talking about.
And we don't know, yet. I'm sure if Obama plans to cut the programs which will increase working/middle class pain, we will hear from him again.
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:34 PM
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10. Ones allies deserve a measure of deference that enemies do not.
The terminology used for these cuts will prove to be most useful in the fall elections.
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:54 PM
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15. Bernie Sanders is one of the FEW truth tellers left in D.C
If you want the straight dope on what's going on. Look up Bernie

It wont lie to ya

K & R :)
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 12:31 PM
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16. Indeed.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 03:42 PM
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19. I wish you'd stop trying to suggest that Sanders is for a spending freeze.
He didn't say that. He was in an interview with a Conservative hatchetman, and the hatchetman wanted to get him to disagree with the President. Sanders said little more than, "there is waste in Washington", which is nothing near advocating a spending freeze.

We'd all like to cut waste from the budget. You don't have to institute a spending freeze to do it, and a lot of people are concerned that Obama would use a spending freeze in the way that a Conservative would. And with legitimate reason.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 03:49 PM
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22. You can spin all you like, but that's exactly what the man said.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 04:27 PM
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24. Spin? I'm not the one trying to say that
Edited on Wed Jan-27-10 04:28 PM by Marr
"there is waste in Washington" is the same as saying, "I'm for a spending freeze". I'm glad you didn't state it so baldly in the headline this time, but suggesting it isn't a whole lot better.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 04:28 PM
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25. Thanks, but you won't succeed in trying to flamelock this thread like you did the last one.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 04:31 PM
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26. I think your previous post was deleted because the headline was a baldfaced lie.
What was it, again? "Bernie Sanders on MSNBC: Spending Freeze is Needed, but depends on what is cut"? Give me a break.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 04:32 PM
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27. Nope, it was locked (not deleted) because you and another fool spammed it with false accusations.
Edited on Wed Jan-27-10 04:35 PM by berni_mccoy
The mods couldn't keep up with deleting them all, so they locked it.

In fact, they suggested I repost this.

You just can't handle being wrong.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 04:39 PM
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29. A few people called you on your inaccurate headline.
Edited on Wed Jan-27-10 04:39 PM by Marr
I'm sorry if that bothers you.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:12 PM
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33. A Few = 2? Now who's not being honest? Oh, and don't look now... but Feingold supports the freeze
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 03:49 PM
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23. great post-
Bernie makes sense.
:hi:
thanks for posting this.

k&r
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 04:35 PM
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28. I don't doubt that there are some things that could be cut without causing harm...
but it drives me up the wall when politicians don't give real examples. If there's so much waste, then let's have an honest conversation about it for a change.
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