If you didn't call for Impeachment of Bush and Cheney, please don't complain about Cheney now

[omega minimo]

and in the future, as they are already rewriting the history that you did not address at the time.

The window of opportunity is when they are in office -- that's what the Constitution provides for. Once it's gone, once they're out of office uninvestigated, unaccountable, unpunished, it's too late.

We've seen this in RECENT history with Reagan/IranContra/Bush, we've seen the same cast of characters infest the Dubya administration, hell we saw them steal two elections.

So, honestly, if you didn't call for Investigation/Impeachment when it mattered; if you didn't expect that Cheney would rise from the undead to infest the corporate airwaves and Bush wouldn't get a library to practice his rewriting history skills, you were fooling yourself.

No, I don't think you'll learn from this time, either. That's why those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it and force the rest of us to.

[damntexdem]

1. But I did. In fact, I still call for their prosecution.

And, my, do I complain now!

[LaydeeBug]

2. Oh, but I did. I *DID*. I am sooo glad I am on the right side of history. nt

[omega minimo]

4. Good on ya both, then. Complain away!!! You earned it.

[Political Heretic]

3. Free to still complain about Cheney, here!

:hi:

[liberal N proud]

5. I wanted them in jail

[Oregone]

6. If you did this, don't do that threads bug me

Like, if you voted for Obama, you have no right to complain about Afghanistan escalation!

If you didn't vote, you have no right to complain at all!

(so, it seems like only war hawks that voted for McCain have a right to complain)

It just seems like a lazy way to stifle debate. Current issues can sometimes be judged on their own merits independent of what the judger did months ago

[omega minimo]

13. This is not all those other threads. Thank you.

Your post "seems like a lazy way" to avoid comprehension and/or responsibility.

[Canuckistanian]

30. +1

[Echo In Light]

7. Look Ahead, Inc

[omega minimo]

20. ?

[Echo In Light]

36. Like "Uniquely American," it became the mantra used against the public who wanted B/C held accountab

accountable

[omega minimo]

49. My favorite on DU was

"Just On Principle" :wow:

[JuniperLea]

8. Still complaining... still want them prosecuted...

Nothing has changed for me in this regard since 2001 or 2002 when the stench of their dastardly deeds first became known to me.

[omega minimo]

23. Aye.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

9. I have documentation all over the internet that

I protested against B/C, but my cred in the streets is lacking. AND that is the only thing that
really matters. I look at the protesters in Iran and feel ashamed I didn't fight harder where it counts.

[Better Today]

10. Yeah, like calling for it or wanting prosecution now makes any damned difference.

But, hey feel free to determine some bogus rules about who can complain and who can't.

[omega minimo]

15. Yeah, good luck with that

:hi:

[Better Today]

25. Good luck with what? I'm not the one trying to tell folks what they can or cannot

say or complain about based on some bogus line you want drawn in the sand.

I'd be pleased as punch if people who voted for the asshole started complaining about him. I don't see this bullshit idea that one has to have always been against someone/something in order to now be against them. Nor the opposite, I don't believe someone has to have been for someone or something in order to be for them now.

Personally, I hope that all of us are paying attention and adjust our opinions considering both past and present information. If it takes a person longer to come to a realization than someone else, that's cool. It's only the ones that refuse to face reality ever, that worry me.

[omega minimo]

33. In a way you're right

but you don't read carefully. "Good luck with what?" is obvious from my reply to YOUR post of what you'd like to see happen NOW that in many ways, it is too, too late.

The lessons of the past might serve those who take "longer to come to a realization than someone else" -- might serve to alert them AT THE TIME, that putting off prosecution of Bush/Cheney, based on speculation of vote-getting and the next election, is a DEADLY irreversible MISTAKE.

Might serve someone to read the OP and think for two seconds about the history that has already repeated, within MOST of our lifetimes and the IMPLICATION AND RAMIFICATIONS of that.

:thumbsup:

[Better Today]

38. Obvious to you, maybe. Clearly not well stated. Kind of like this

post I'm replying to... doesn't actually make much sense. Apparently your ability to put your thoughts into words on a page is not what you wish it is.

[omega minimo]

41. You're right.

"Yeah, like calling for it or wanting prosecution now makes any damned difference."

"Yeah, good luck with that."



You're right, your post I replied to made no sense -- it seemed you were saying you were wanting prosecution now ....


Apparently, the dumbing down of education that doesn't teach history anymore prevents some from reading compound sentences (even used commas to help you):

The lessons of the past might serve those
who take "longer to come to a realization than someone else"
-- might serve to alert them AT THE TIME,
that putting off prosecution of Bush/Cheney,
based on speculation of vote-getting and the next election,
is a DEADLY irreversible MISTAKE.

Might serve someone to read the OP
and think for two seconds :think: :think:
about the history that has already repeated,
within MOST of our lifetimes
and the IMPLICATION AND RAMIFICATIONS of that.


Yeah, you have to suffer through all those words and then the thinking and then at the end there's implication and ramifications and stuff.

[Better Today]

52. Then you've misunderstood my original reply, which explains why your

responses to it have made no sense.

Have a lovely evening.

[omega minimo]

55. Your reply made no sense

You haven't attempted to clarify or to comprehend the OP and my replies to you, even broken down into Tweets.

Those who do not remember or ever learn history or reading are doomed to repeat it.

[shadesofgray]

11. Does this mean Obama isn't allowed to complain about him either?

Since he doesn't think Bush/Cheney should be prosecuted for war crimes or anything.

[backscatter712]

12. Hey, I did call for their impeachment.

So I'm no hypocrite when I suggest he be renditioned to the Hague...

[omega minimo]

16. Thank you to all the eloquent witnesses here.

[Thickasabrick]

14. Nancy said it was "off the table". What's a good democrat to do ?? nt

[omega minimo]

18. Tell her she's Out Of Line

[Thickasabrick]

27. Kay....and who should have been the person who told her that,,,,not

counting the little people who she ignores most of the time.

[omega minimo]

43. We did tell her. Only there were too many of We The People who didn't

[Thickasabrick]

54. Good point....I followed Nancy's lead and should not have. I will

herewith refrain from bitching about Darth or Shrub.

[omega minimo]

65. It will hurt

Thank you for considering the possibilities. Seeing Cheney's inhuman snarl, pontificating to media as if he has any legitimacy, reminds me of watching Ollie North go on his speech tours and radio shows. These people are CRIMINALS.

And they will go on and it will be a farce and it will hurt.

The other harm done, the point of the OP, not merely to berate although I might have known.... is the point that those actions, those in/decisions GAVE Cheney the legitimacy to do what he's doing now. GAVE Bush the power to rewrite history. Gave the future a perverted, distorted, unreal view of what really happened, just like with the non-Impeachment of Reagan/Bush and the faux-Impeachment of Clinton.

With those two RECENT events as examples, we tried to forewarn ,,, and now.... all some folks do is get defensive and pissed off because they --- don't take responsibility.

:rant: :hi:

[malaise]

17. 100% correct

Cheney will make Dems rue the day they didn't impeach his war criminal ass.

[omega minimo]

19. Today's the day.

:toast: Happy New Year, malaise.

[ddeclue]

21. But I DID call for their impeachment over and over... what's your point?

[omega minimo]

26. "If you didn't......................."

[snagglepuss]

22. K & R nt

[Blue Owl]

24. I haven't forgiven Nancy Pelosi

for giving these law-breaking, war-mongering criminals a safe harbor to wage their illegal occupations.

They could do whatever the fuck they wanted and Nancy would keep them safe from impeachment.

It's fucking disgusting -- IMO she is as much to blame for protecting these pieces of shit from OUR own fucking laws.

[omega minimo]

28. Well put

[PeaceNikki]

29. We need your permission to complain about stuff?

:shrug:

[omega minimo]

34. Read the OP again and ask if you are fooling yourself.

:shrug:

[Edweird]

31. I called for their impeachment as well.

[NoPasaran]

32. I'm calling for the impeachment of omega minimo

So in the future I can freely complain about and unrec your threads. Didn't realize this was in the DU rules fine print.

[omega minimo]

37. If you didn't call for Bush/Cheney Investigat/Impeachment then, you inflicted his media BS on us now

so don't complain about your decision.

[NoPasaran]

56. If you didn't call for omega minimo's impeachment

You're responsible this self-righteous mental masturbation now.

I hope you can live with your decision.

[omega minimo]

64. It's a mental stretch, too big for some, too obvious for others

You'll have to own the masturbation, yourself.

[mmonk]

35. Amen. Recommended with prejudice.

[blondeatlast]

39. It took me a while, but I did. Still, stifling a large contingent of DUers

isn't a great idea; it just allows Cheney to go on spewing bile unchallenged.

Besides--this may be the one point virtually every reasonable DUer can agree on.

[omega minimo]

45. There's that.

:pals:

[ClassWarrior]

71. Great album, blonde. I saw them live back in the day.

:hi:

NGU.

[aquart]

40. I did. I do. I will.

And if they have not been arrested by the time they die, I want their bones dug up and mutilated. I want to establish an animal shelter on their graves so they can be pissed on eternally.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

42. That makes no fucking sense at all.

It's just another stupid DU rant-o-rama that boils down to "If you don't agree with me, and haven't always agreed with me, then STFU."

Boooooring.

[omega minimo]

46. It's okay if you don't understand it.

Just don't inflict your blindness -- and the results of your decisions -- on others.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

57. Uh, isn't that exactly what you're doing in your OP? n/t

[omega minimo]

66. Wow you REALLY din't understand it

:wow: :rofl:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7358918&mesg_id=7359780

[TZ]

44. Lol

For someone who constantly bitches about your rights of free speech you are awfully quick to tell people who disagree with you to STFU! :rofl:

[omega minimo]

47. Wrong. It's addressed to those who don't remember history, before or after the fact.

Apparently you are one of them.


Your "constantly" projections are a bizarre as ever.

[TZ]

68. I never thought Cheney was anything

But a slimy bastard. However since I'm an inside the Beltway person and knew he was never going to be impeached, I didn't bother getting all worked up about it . Unlike some, I live in reality. And that doesn't mean I can't or shouldn't criticize him now!

[omega minimo]

76. OIC "Inside the Beltway" means you "live in reality""unlike some" in the rest of the huge country

:crazy: Inside the Beltway strategery will be the death of this nation.

[lunatica]

48. I hate it when the unlearned make me repeat their history

I just hate it!

[omega minimo]

50. LOL

... and I've learned that it doesn't really change .................. :spray:

[Mari333]

51. Many of us yelled for impeachment, and prosecution

and many had hoped Obama would yell, too.
He didnt.
and they will skate.
and it will happen again.

[omega minimo]

63. Now it will

Last Call for democracy

[ThatPoetGuy]

53. Wow.

I called for their impeachment and prosecution. My brother didn't at the time. So, if he rejects Cheney now, I shouldn't welcome him?

That was the stupidest OP I've ever seen on this site. Congratulations.

[omega minimo]

67. If your brother didn't call for Hearings/Impeachment, he gave Cheney free rein to run amok now.

You still love him, though.

[ThatPoetGuy]

80. So we're supposed to reject people who are late coming to our side...

rather than let them help build a powerful, aware group. We could change the world.

...but we're supposed to be content saying, "I was right and you were wrong, neener neener boo boo."

[omega minimo]

81. Not at all. No one said that.

[ThatPoetGuy]

85. Did you even read your own subject line?

[omega minimo]

88. Did you?

:wow:

[CreekDog]

83. So impeaching Cheney would have stopped him from speaking in 2009?

I'm trying to follow this...:dilemma:

[Canuckistanian]

58. Nonsense

Your argument make ZERO allowance for those who realized that they were ultimately wrong in NOT calling for impeachment.

Absolutist opinions like this tend to create MORE divisions as each side entrenches even further.

Unrec.

[omega minimo]

69. They realized they were wrong. After the fact. And they take responsibility? Maybe even enough to

realize they inflicted an unfettered, unrepentant, uncensured Dick on us all? :hi:


Are you in Canada?

[CreekDog]

59. Speaking of not remembering history

:rofl:

[ima_sinnic]

60. what good did "calling for" anything do? what about the people who had the power & did nothing?

and what about the people who have the power right now and still do nothing?

I forget how many "petitions" I signed, beginning with Ramsey Clark's back in, oh, 2001 (and whatever happened to Ramsey Clark? I seem to remember his being treated by some on DU the same way they still treat Dennis Kucinich--who also, as I remember, sponsored a bill or had a petition or something--like escapees from a leper colony)--but the ones who need to be drawn and quartered are the usual wimp-ass bought-off "democrats" who did nothing, and continue to do nothing.

We now have war criminals running around unpunished, including holdovers from the JFK assassination, Whitewater, and Iran-Contra, the same douchebags who continually return, the fucking undead, and we still have people who have the power to do something doing nothing--and you're browbeating liberal posters on a fucking Internet message board. Wow--like that is sooo relevant, dude.

[ClassWarrior]

62. It bought you the right to complain hypocrisy-free.

NGU.

[omega minimo]

73. Not quite.

Great post but no browbeating. Some brows are beating from the inside, because the information makes their brains hurt. :spray:

The history you invoke is there, for all to see, just as it was during the years that some of us (thank you) worked for invesigations/impeachment, election reform, etc.

"We now have war criminals running around unpunished, including holdovers from the JFK assassination, Whitewater, and Iran-Contra, the same douchebags who continually return, the fucking undead, and we still have people who have the power to do something doing nothing......."

If I am criticizing those who don't include themselves in "peope who have the power to do something doing nothing .......," who take the easy way out, the spectator, do as Madame says route, without taking responsibility (because geez, what could THEY do?) for the outcome, so be it. I am reminding people that Cheney's insane killer dick face in our faces now is a result of those in/actions then.

[ClassWarrior]

61. Really? Unrecs? Some people just don't want to take responsibility for their own failures.

NGU.

[TZ]

70. Yes I know if I had just posted

One more post saying "impeach now" it would have happened..:sarcasm: it's not only the neocons who indulge in magical thinking

[omega minimo]

74. It's your choice to give away your power

[ClassWarrior]

93. +1

NGU.

[CreekDog]

72. I didn't have time!!!

I was worried about the moon!

[omega minimo]

75. I'm sorry.

I'm just not as good at carrying around the grudges and prejudices as some all ya'll .. I see the names, I don't know what I'm supposed to be offended by your other ilttle post with :rofl: so I shall simply bid you a Happy New Year and adieu.

[CreekDog]

82. Don't sell yourself short

:hi:

[Blue_In_AK]

77. I did and I will. n/t

[flvegan]

78. I called for it. I still insist on investigations, charges and trials.

However, at no point did I ever expect our spineless twits (a/k/a Congress) to ever do anything with what Kucinich presented. Too many skeletons in too many closets, maybe?

[omega minimo]

79. somethin

even to now. Is it too much of a "horses-head-in-the-bed" (thanks Thom Hartmann) environment for even those with a spine?

And if anyone thinks that the non-impeachment is non-related to the government Obama inherited ......

[HarveyDarkey]

84. Does this count?

[gopwacker_455]

86. I would pay to see those scumbags locked up

[mmonk]

87. If Cheney had been impeached, people would not have to listen

to him constantly on TV defending illegal acts such as torture, making false statements constantly concerning foreign affairs, etc.. He would have been discredited along with his arguments. So yes, complaining about him now if you didn't want to take care of the situation when it was time to act now seems like well you are a little too late. His actions were in some part legitimized to people who don't know better since there wasn't consequences.

[Ohio Joe]

89. I don't believe I ever called for their impeachment

I have and still do call for their arrest, trial and imprisonment.

[earth mom]

90. I posted an OP on do it yourself Impeachment of those bastards.

So yeah, I've got room to complain!!! :grr:

[NoSheep]

91. I'm endowed then with these inalienable rights!

[boston bean]

92. I want(ed) them frog marched to the Hague!

When Pelosi took impeachment "off the table" right after we got a majority in 2006, I was pissed! Still am!