Why should access to health care

[Blue_In_AK]

be any different than access to education? Shannyn Moore brought up this interesting point yesterday afternoon on her local TV show. She pointed out that very early on in our history as a nation, the leaders determined that access to a public education was an important prerogative for America's citizens. Now we have public education, private education, even home schooling, but ALL American children have access to education.

Why should it be any different for health care, which arguably is even more important? ALL Americans should have access to health care, paid for by taxes as our public education system is, and if a person wants something more special, they can pay for it out of pocket, just like people pay for private schools.

It shouldn't be so difficult to make this "leap" of logic.

[MisterP]

1. uh, the WH is packed with charter-school fanatics; they hate public ed,

and hope to whip up support like they're doing in LA (and did in Pennsylvania until the hilarious Soccer Mom Riot/SUV Chase)

since they don't believe in equal access to quality education, this argument won't fly (it will fly with non-fundie Americans, though!)

[Blue_In_AK]

3. Another huge disappointment, in my opinion.

I don't have a problem with charter schools in and of themselves, but our public school system should be the first priority.

[snagglepuss]

2. It appears that the way things are heading the question being asked in

political circles is why shouldn't public education be more like private healthcare.:mad:

[Blue_In_AK]

4. I believe privatizing education would be a monstrous mistake,

contributing even further to the financial oppression of the poor and middle-class. Obtaining a post-secondary education has already become almost impossible to afford for many people; it would be criminal to impose the same financial constraints on our younger kids.

[snagglepuss]

12. ITs a terrible idea but with no manufacturing left in the corporations are

eying services, once considered the purview of govt, to exploit.

[Edweird]

20. Wow. Thank you for bringing that up. I hadn't made that connection on my own yet.

:think:

[snagglepuss]

21. Want an award? Spare me the sarcasm. I was responding to another poster,.

[Edweird]

22. Easy there.

I was being sincere.

[snagglepuss]

23. So a sincere question for you. If you were being sincere, why the rolling eyes?

If I did jump the gun, my apologies.

[Edweird]

24. It wasn't 'rolling eyes'.

It was the light bulb going off... As in a light bulb just went over my head, metaphorically speaking.
:think:
See?

I think I see the problem. It takes a second to 'see the light'.

[snagglepuss]

25. OH.

An interesting lesson in wires being crossed. Sorry for jumping down your throat.


:yoiks:

[Edweird]

26. It's ok.

There are vicious rumors that I may have done that once or twice ;)

Besides, how could I be mean to some with Bongo as their avatar?

[StarfarerBill]

5. If there was the amount of profit in education that there is healthcare-denial,

there's little doubt that most schools would be private.

[liberal_at_heart]

6. It's a logical argument, problem is the insurance companies will never allow it to happen

[EFerrari]

7. It shouldn't be and the same people who are totting up their healthcare profits

are working on our school system.

Ronald Rayguns lives!

The only bit of comfort I got recently was finding out that the same year that jackass felon was forn, the NAACP was incorporated. NAACP is still alive and kicking.

[Blue_In_AK]

8. Yep, it all started with the Raygun...

I had the misfortune of being a California resident while he was governor. I've hated him ever since. Single-handedly he and his cohorts destroyed this country. Those guys were always out there on the right, but it seemed like we had them under control until Reagan showed up on the scene. Barry Goldwater sure didn't make much headway.

[sandnsea]

9. Public Education was created by Protestants

who were freaked out that Catholics were creating good schools that might indoctrinated their children. Nothing particularly altruistic about it, it was just to keep WASP values is all.

There was money to be made in medicine, it was destined to be for profit in this country.

[Blue_In_AK]

10. Whatever the motive,

I think public secular education is a good thing.

[sandnsea]

14. I do too

But if you understand that neither was created out of generosity, then it becomes a bit easier to understand why one is free and one isn't. Trying to privatize school is just an attempt to get kids away from liberal education, as far as I can see. And I mean privatize schools with vouchers, not modernize schools with charters.

[librechik]

11. or legal representation when accused of a crime

Healthcare should be a right like that, not some scamgate for monopolies to profit from for gawd's sake...

[Blue_In_AK]

13. That's a very good point.

There are public defenders, and private attorneys also are appointed to represent indigent defendants. No one has a problem with that. The private attorneys get paid, but at a reduced rate.

There should be many more public health clinics, just like there are public defenders.

[Cleita]

15. Too bad our leaders back then hadn't determined the need for access to health care

as well. Our nation's history might have been very different today.

[bvar22]

16. It shouldn't be.

FDR agreed with YOU, and NOT today's "Centrist" Democrats.
I guess FDR was a "purist".

In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

The right of every family to a decent home;

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

America’s own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for our citizens.

If the "Centrists" here want to call FDR a "Purist", then they can call me one too.
"I welcome their hatred!"

K&R
:patriot:

[clear eye]

17. Actually our gov't is trying to undo gov't run public education. n/t

[Nikki Stone1]

18. Check out madfloridian's blogs on education. They are stellar--and terrifying.

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[inna]

19. Another good question is...

Why are we the only industrialized nation in the world that does not provide universal, publically funded, health care to all citizens?