I'm noticing a trend:

[ProSense]

Senator Boxer: Boxer Speaks on Historic Health Care Bill

Senator Feingold: "U.S. Senate will vote on passage of the most sweeping health care reform in generations"

Senator Franken: Huffington Post: Franken: Dems Unified Behind 'Historic' Health Reform Legislation

Senator Kerry: “Well this is one of the most important votes that I’ve had the privilege of casting in the 25 years that I’ve been there,”

Senator Leahy: The bill...will rank alongside other major decisions such as the creation of Social Security and Medicare and the Civil Rights Act.

Senator Sanders: Health Care Landmark legislation backed by President Obama passed its sternest Senate test (12/21)

Senator Whitehouse: the U.S. Senate today passed landmark legislation to reform our broken health care system

Jon Chait: "the greatest social achievement of our time"

Kevin Drum: the biggest progressive advance in my adult life

Ezra Klein: the most important piece of legislation the body has passed since 1963

Krugman: "this is a major program to aid lower- and lower-middle-income families"

Wendell Potter: Why I'm Not Joining the Call to "Kill the Bill"

Matt Yglesias: the greatest progressive social policy achievement in over 40 years

[KittyWampus]

1. INVESTIGATE RAHM EMMANUEL!!!

(sorry but that seems to be the trend on DU)

[Number23]

32. Lol!

I think we've all noticed the trend that Prosense is highlighting here. The naysayers on both sides of the aisle have been getting their asses kicked up and down the Internet with well known liberal organizations, publications and public figures literally staring open-mouthed at the expressions of hate towards the President and his administration over passage of this bill. Not a day goes by without some prominent liberal basically saying "what the HELL is going on??" with some (thankfully few) members of the liberal "base."

It would be almost be funny if it weren't so short-sighted and ridiculous.

Kicked and rec'd. Thanks, Prosense.

[Peacetrain]

80. Okay now you've done it.. laughing so hard I got the hiccups

:rofl:

[ananda]

2. How historic this historic bill is.

Yeah buddy.

[polpilot]

37. This is historic bull...historic. This bull must pass..historic I tell you.

[amborin]

88. yes, despite

those who are paid to drum up support for a sham

[EFerrari]

3. Your appeals to authority are NOW a trend?

Okay.

[Sebastian Doyle]

9. No, the trend is

...talking points from Message Discipline LLC are starting to bleed over into General Discussion. Next week they'll try to takeover the Lounge, probably.

[bridgit]

30. We don't need no stinking discipline; discipline & brown shoes are for jerks that go to work

:spray: :thumbsup:

[amborin]

94. probably

paid messages, too

[liberal_at_heart]

4. I can't tell what these politicians want more, money or fame

They clearly get paid lots of money from the insurance company lobbyists, but my goodness looking at some of these quotes they sure are patting themselves on the back an awful lot. I think some of these politicians are looking for a legacy.

[ProSense]

8. The bottom six, including Wendell Potter, are not politicians. n/t

[CreekDog]

20. Maybe because these folks aren't getting any more money or any more fame for these positions

Maybe that's why you can't tell. And if anything, they are getting scorn from their strongest supporters, which they appear to be enduring for little benefit.

Besides, when have you seen Feingold willing to support anything that he thinks is wrong for any reason whatsoever? Me neither. So maybe he doesn't think it's wrong. And I can't think of any issue where there is any connection between him being "paid off" and his voting.

:eyes:

[phasma ex machina]

58. It's all about the power ego trip IMNSHO.

Given pols most likely destiny of always ranking lower than either Bill Gates or Paris Hilton in the money and fame arenas. If pols go on a big enough ego trip they may reckon that history will remember.

[TorchTheWitch]

102. campaign backing from their own party

This is the result of arm twisting. Toe the line or you get no party campaign money, they'll back a primary oponent against you, lose your chairmanships (and if you don't have any keep you from ever getting one), basically make you irrelevant for the remainder of your term after which you'll be replaced by someone who's willing to toe the line.

When it comes to keeping principles or saving their career, not a one of them will ever refrain from nailing every toe to the line. They like their jobs and will do whatever it takes to keep them.

[tbyg52]

5. There are many people I like in that list, but even people I like can be wrong. nt

[glitch]

60. Yep - and we can disagree with people we like without discarding them

or abandoning our position and following them lockstep in the wrong direction.

And furthermore, I am sure we'll agree with them again on another issue. It's a crazy complex world when you make your own analysis and form your own opinions.
:hi:

[Divine Discontent]

100. exactly. and it's no secret that if you support the people at the very top, you are well liked by

those same people.

[depakid]

6. Yep- polishing up the turd with propaganda

Did anyone expect anything less?

Kinda hard going into an election year as the party mow associated with one of the most "popular" industries in America!

And just remember folks- they're "not bad people."

The prez told us so!

[ProSense]

11. You're right, they're all sellouts.

:rofl:

[depakid]

34. You mischaracterize- perhaps because you can't accept the reality of the situation

YOU and the Democrats are from here on out (and at the very least- through 2010) going to be the party associated with the health insurance industry- with all of its attendant abuses (and medical bankruptcies).

No amount of spin or harping is going to change that perception- because, along with being believable (having been played out in public ad nauseum) and well suited for the upcoming Republican narrative re: mandates, it's true.

Republican strategists must be having a very fine holiday- and very much looking forward to the 2010 campaign.

[ProSense]

36. "YOU and the Democrats are from here on out...going...associated with the health insurance"

:scared:




:rofl:

[Name removed]

42. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[ProSense]

44. "Hope at the very least you're getting reimbursed for the effort."

Last deperate gasps for relevance.

[depakid]

51. Relevance is in the analysis- and the sincerity (or lack thereof)

in the pattern of postings.

As has been noted- one would be extremely hard pressed to find any issue on which you deviate even slightly from the party line of the day. Generally speaking, folks with that sort of stand for nothing pattern either get reimbursed- or ought to get reimbursed, if they have the ambition to earn a few bucks for their time.

[ProSense]

55. Relevance is in logic

which fails you.

[depakid]

59. That, too!

Though logic by itself can be formally valid- yet materially worthless- i.e. sophistry, which is typically the resort of the spinner.

[Hello_Kitty]

76. She opposed mandates back when Obama opposed them

A couple days ago I put up some old links of hers and she got huffy but couldn't deny it.

[ProSense]

86. "I put up some old links of hers and she got huffy but couldn't deny it." Always misreading

and mischaracterizing events.

[treestar]

84. What might be even worse

We might be associated with prosperity! :rofl:

[ipaint]

7. Interesting.

What's wrong with that picture?


The survey of 2,999 households by Thomson Reuters Corp shows a public skeptical about the cost, quality and accessibility of medical care.

Just under 60 percent of those surveyed said they would like a public option as part of any final healthcare reform legislation, which Republicans and a few Democrats oppose.

Here are some of the results of the telephone survey of 2,999 households called from November 9-17 as part of the Thomson Reuters PULSE Healthcare Survey:

* Believe in public option: 59.9 percent yes, 40.1 percent no.

* 86 percent of Democrats support the public option versus 57 percent of Independents and 33 percent of Republicans.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5B20OL20091203


Oh well, we lose.

[ProSense]

10. "Oh well, we lose."

Speak for yourself.

[DJ13]

12. Im seeing a trend too

You keep posting, everyone keeps unreccing.

lol

[ProSense]

13. "You keep posting, everyone keeps unreccing." Yeah, but here's the rub

"unreccing" doesn't change reality.

[DJ13]

15. "unreccing" doesn't change reality.

Neither do your posts.

[ProSense]

18. Reality is that these people made these statements. "unreccing"

simply makes you feel better.

[DJ13]

26. "unreccing" simply makes you feel better.

You keep posting and I'll feel better and better.

Deal?

lol

[ProSense]

28. OK, I'm here to help.

If denial helps you get through the day, unrec away.

:rofl:

[DJ13]

31. There you go, thats the spirit!

lol

[ima_sinnic]

24. lol!

:spray:

unreccing makes sure they stay in the basement, where they belong.

[ProSense]

27. "unreccing makes sure they stay in the basement" You do realize

that the original links will be seen by thousands?

I remember when a Republican Congress thought they were going to be a permanent majority by forcing Democrats to hold hearings in basements. Look how that turned out.

[ima_sinnic]

38. it's fine they'll be seen--

for me, "recommending" means just that--I recommend those posts that I think others should read. This particular OP is not worthy of either rec or unrec (politicians patting themselves on the back, nothing new, and the bill does suck), but those that unquestioningly parrot some line of bull excusing the president from any wrongdoing or lying, that sneeringly call other posters haters/pony-wanters/"unrealistic", that indicate a hang-up about reccing/unreccing, that are posted to challenge revelations of wrongdoing by the administration by obfuscating/distorting/spinning/distracting, that sneer at efforts of people standing up against the Obama administration betrayals and lies--those I would not recommend, and I swiftly unrec the obvious swift-boaters.

[ProSense]

40. "politicians patting themselves on the back" Oh, by all means

ignore the six non-politicians to bolster your denial.

[Sheepshank]

83. Unreccing a post

the trend seems to be to unrec a post where the voter simply doesn't like the message...nothing to do with validity or reality. Obvious as the nose on ones face....if they have one that is.

[Individualist]

53. +1

[babylonsister]

14. Thanks, Pro, and recommend. This is reality whether people

like it or not. IF all these folks were dissing the bill, that'd be another story. But all the naysayers on DU know so much better. :eyes:

[ProSense]

35. Yes, thanks. n/t

[zeemike]

16. Historic, Sweeping, most important...kind of paints a picture does it not?

And that is what those words and statements are supposed to do....that is the nature of propaganda.

[ProSense]

43. Yes, it paints a picture: historic, landmark, sweeping

as in this moment will be recorded in history, appreciated by millions, and the noise will not even be a footnote.

[zeemike]

46. Are there millions of rich people invested in HMOs?

No doubt about it they will appreciate it for many years...and their children too.

And for the rest of us you are right...it will be wiped from our collective memory by the constant drone of other problems of inequity, and history will not write about it....down the memory hole.

Oh George you were so right....just a mistake calling it 1984

[ProSense]

48. Millions of rich people are invested

in the Internet you're on, the companies that make the food you eat, the car you drive, your underwear.

Like I said, millions will appreciate it. Take that to mean whatever you will.

[zeemike]

52. I know and I am so grateful for their generosities.

After all they are the brightest and the best
And what is left over is for the rest.

[ProSense]

54. Sorry, I don't do whiny self-pity. n/t

[zeemike]

56. And I don't do elitist excueses....so it is a draw n/t

[ProSense]

62. "Are there millions of rich people invested in HMOs?"

Not really, that one escapes logic as an criticism.

[zeemike]

63. No it does not.

It is not illogical to post a rhetorical question to your statement.
And it was intended to point out that those that will be celebrating and calling it historic are the same ones that will make millions from it.

But I do recognize that some people cannot follow unless it is linear.

[ProSense]

64. "those that will be celebrating and calling it historic are the same ones that will make millions "

Can you prove that those listed in the OP are making millions from reform or are you just making stuff up, illogically, to support your criticism.

[zeemike]

67. Well what do you suppose is the combined wealth of that list?

not millions but billions and it is hard for me to believe that they are not heavily invested in those commodities and services that you say they provide to us.
And so it is like JFK jr said....it is socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor.
They have no problem sharing our money among themselves.

[ProSense]

70. "not millions but billions "

Oh brother, how dumb.


You don't know what you're talking about.

[zeemike]

72. How may HMO stock options does this guy have?

Wendell Potter
Wendell Potter has served since May 2009 as CMD's Senior Fellow on Health Care. After a 20-year career as a corporate public relations executive, last year he left his job as head of communications for one of the nation's largest health insurers to try his hand at helping socially responsible organizations

[ProSense]

73. Why are you asking me? You're the one who claims the net worth of the

people in the OP is in the billions. Ludicrous.

[zeemike]

74. You do know that Kerry is married to the Hines fortune don't you?

And Boxer and Pelosi are not depending on there earnings from the senate for their livelihood.
It is easily billions.

[ProSense]

87. "Hines" You may want to check the spelling. "And Boxer and Pelosi" Um,

Pelosi isn't listed in the OP.

"It is easily billions."

Ludicrous.

[Hello_Kitty]

77. There's another one of those terrific talking points!

"Whiny self-pity"

Wow, is David Axelrod writing this stuff for you.

[ProSense]

89. "Wow, is David Axelrod writing this stuff for you." You think Axelrod coined the term?

Yes, whine self-pity. If the shoe friggin fits, wear it.

[Hello_Kitty]

82. Millions of people who don't vote in mid-terms.

Sorry, Pro, but that's a demographic reality. We are toast in 2010 because the Dems decided to screw the middle class.

[WeDidIt]

17. Seems a good percentage of DU is bucking the trend

which shows that popular opinion on DU has little resemblance to reality.

[omega minimo]

19. Self aggrandizement by politicians?

:shrug:

[CreekDog]

21. Name one of these folks who is aggrandized by these positions?

Their strongest supporters are excoriating them.

Industry will never trust them anyway --their records are too long and too progressive for that.

So what are we left with? That they think voting for the Senate Bill was better than voting against it.

[ProSense]

45. I'd love to know too n/t

[omega minimo]

71. Was referring to the OP's gushing headlines praising the bill with glowing endorsments

of their own decision to support it. They don't really think it's all that and a bag of chips, do they?

[ProSense]

75. Sounds like they mean every word of what they're saying.

Saying someone doesn't mean what they're saying isn't much of a rebuttal.

[omega minimo]

79. Ya think?

[omega minimo]

69. or they have a gun to their heads.

[Hekate]

22. KnR, but I've already been canceled out by a bitter-ender. nt

[Kltpzyxm]

23. Ummm

A bunch of sellouts trying to pass off their sellout as progress is no trend. Politicians trying to pass off their garbage as accomplishments is as old as the sun.

[BeFree]

25. Hehe, yeah thats a trend

HRC has a lot of gray area in it, but when you see a list of folks like that painting it a real pretty shade of blue, it becomes quite convincing that fears of this HRC being bad for America should fade away.

[HughMoran]

29. The people who wnat 45,000 people to die this year due to no healthcare disagree

They want to see people die because this bill is not perfect.

Progressive? my ass.

[depakid]

39. You don't have even the first clue what you're talking about

Though of course, that doesn't mean you won't sound off repeatedly like a fool- making absurd claims about this bill that have little basis in reality.

Indeed- it's the proponents of this legislation who are condemning an ever increasing number of folks to high deductible, high copay insurance that they can't afford to use (and will die and/or bankrupt them as a result).

That's they trend for EVERYONE- thanks the the administration and the Senate.

[ProSense]

41. That description fits you best. n/t

[HughMoran]

47. Yep

That one's been on ignore for ages. Nasty doesn't begin to describe some of the haters.

[Forkboy]

65. How do you know who it is if you have him ignore?

Nevermind, you have me on ignore too.

Or do you? :rofl:

[nofurylike]

33. k&r. thank you, ProSense, for this excellent list. sure brought out

the screams, ah?


peace and solidarity

[ProSense]

50. Yup. thanks. n/t

[gratefultobelib]

49. Thank you, ProSense. Great read!

[phasma ex machina]

57. On NPR the other day President Obama used the phrase "Health Insurance Reform"

without skipping a beat.



"That's my baby!"

:rofl:

[FrenchieCat]

61. What I find interesting to date is that this President is allowing

debate to reveal each and everyone of us; what is most important to us, and who is doing and saying what in this country; which groups are appealing to the better nature in us, and which are demonizing progress, no matter how slight. Which are willing to actually compromise not just on policy, as is usually expected in a country with varying views, but more interestingly, who is to be deemed the enemy in order to get what we think we are owed, which doesn't always have to do with what is best for this country, but what is best to empower certain ideologies no matter who they might hurt in the process.

It is quite interesting.

[ProSense]

66. It's been a revealing year.

People have to know they've lost the argument (and credibility) when they're pointing to teabagger claims to support their criticisms.

[FrenchieCat]

68. Those who enjoy their ideology over doing anything positive for people.

They don't believe anything will change drastically unless people suffer for their sins.
In a way, it is a religion that they are preaching;
the only difference is that their GOD is called principles.
They are wishing a plague upon our houses in order to make a point.
It is something akin to fundamentalism in my book.

[NJmaverick]

78. hmmm......

:D

[bvar22]

81. What this clearly shows...

...is that The Party WILL close ranks to protect their system of the Status Quo.

This legislation IS Historic.
It IS the biggest sell out to the Corporate Interests to my memory, and probably in History.
It certainly surpasses the historic Wall Street Billionaire Bailout.

It is arguable that NAFTA did MORE damage to the Working Class, but we won't really know for about 5 or 6 years years.
The Democrats closed ranks and celebrated after NAFTA calling it "historic" and "landmark" too.

ALL for the GREATER GLORY of The Party.
The illusion of a Two Party System MUST be maintained or they will be out of a job.

[ProSense]

90. "It IS the biggest sell out to the Corporate Interests to my memory"

The millions of Americans who will gain coverage and see their premiums go down drastically really don't care about your memory.

[bvar22]

97. And where is the money coming from to "subsidize" that coverage?

It IS coming from the Public Treasury, taxes on the Middle Class, fines imposed on those too poor to afford to BUY even under the MANDATE, of the defunding of Medicare, AND it WILL be handed over directly TO the For Profit Health Insurance Cartel, an industry that manufactures NOTHING, and produces NO wealth (value added).
At least the Oil Cartel gives us OIL.

Some Scam, eh?

[ProSense]

98. Ah, so now you're against subsidies? n/t

[bvar22]

103. No. I support subsidies if they go to provide Health "Care".

I don't support the transfer of Public Wealth to For Profit Entities that manufacture NOTHING, create NO Wealth, and provide NO essential service....

For Instance, the Health Insurance Industry.
Corporate Welfare for a worthless parasitic corporation is immoral and obscene.
Some of our Public Wealth WILL be used to buy Yachts and Summer Homes in Aspen for the uber wealthy in return for.....what? :shrug:

[inna]

106. Please see this thread, I'm really interested in your opinion:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7338574

:hi:

[flvegan]

85. It is a trend. There are many delusional folks among us. n/t

[ProSense]

91. Who in the OP do you consider delusional? n/t

[Name removed]

92. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[ProSense]

93. Whenever you show up with the childish name calling

it's a sign that the OP got to you. Got a real rebuttal?

[Nikki Stone1]

95. My nickname for you is based on how you argue: and it's always nonsensical.

And clearly that nickname bothers you because deep down you know you couldn't really argue an issue on its own merits.

:)

[ProSense]

96. Like I said, childishness aside, have anything valid to say regarding the OP? n/t

[Capt_Nemo]

99. kick

[NYC_SKP]

101. BUT RW RAGS posted by people say OBAMACO™ WORSE THAN BUSHCO OH ONES111

And these get recommended... :eyes:

[mzmolly]

104. Once again...

:yourock:

[ProSense]

105. Thanks. n/t