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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 12:13 AM Original message |
Sprawl = Obesity "Can urban design keep you from getting fat?" |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
1. Interesting idea. It makes alot of sense to me. |
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strategery blunder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
2. A lot of the suburbs I grew up in |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
3. I've noticed the difference |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
4. of course.. Many suburbs are mazes of cul de sacs without |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 08:54 AM Response to Reply #4 |
32. Public transportation actually helps with walking |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 01:02 AM Response to Original message |
5. No, it won't. It will just make you weigh less than you otherwise would |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 01:10 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Maybe so... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 02:26 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Your metabolism is not a bank account |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 04:06 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. All I know is that when I went back to the states for 5 years, I gained 60 lbs. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 04:23 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. My friend and I muse all the time about opening a restaurant called "Half-Off" |
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gauguin57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 09:41 AM Response to Reply #13 |
37. And please offer tiny "sample" desserts for half-off prices. Oh, and also... |
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hang a left (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 04:34 AM Response to Reply #7 |
14. And you don't think it has anything to do with their diet?? |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 05:21 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. HFCS is one aspect, but few serious researchers place all the blame on that... |
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we can do it (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #15 |
55. Sorry, But Where Did the Fat Genes Come From? Blimp Sized People Weren't Common |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. People today behave more like tapeworms than primates. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #55 |
71. There were as many fat people 20 years ago as there are today |
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we can do it (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 10:28 AM Response to Reply #71 |
108. No, Not Really and It Is Not Genetic, As I Said Above It Is Caused By Behavior |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 12:28 AM Response to Reply #108 |
132. It CAN be genetic if caused by an autoimmune disease. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 12:14 AM Response to Reply #55 |
130. Yes there were lots of fat people 20 years ago. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 08:41 AM Response to Reply #14 |
28. Why do you think people in the suburbs-- |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 08:24 AM Response to Reply #7 |
24. That's not entirely true. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 08:46 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. It's true that net energy balance must equal zero |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 01:26 AM Response to Reply #24 |
82. Why do you think it's possible for everybody to eat fewer calories than they use? |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 01:42 AM Response to Reply #82 |
86. That's right. We should all give up now because we can't control anything |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 07:21 AM Response to Reply #86 |
91. You should only give up on attempting to significantly modify your weight. |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 08:09 AM Response to Reply #91 |
99. I'll take my advice from a doctor or at least someone who doesn't speak in non sequiturs. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 09:45 PM Response to Reply #99 |
116. I take advice from doctors who are up on current research. |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 11:45 PM Response to Reply #116 |
127. You are the last person who should be accusing others of not understanding |
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Zywiec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 08:53 AM Response to Reply #82 |
103. Has anyone had their stomach stapled and not lost weight? |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:04 AM Response to Reply #7 |
47. I don't think research supports that. Do the math... |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 06:56 AM Response to Reply #7 |
89. Japan |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 08:48 AM Response to Reply #89 |
102. I'm not a sumo fan, or even really much of a Japanophile... |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 08:57 AM Response to Reply #89 |
104. The average Japanese person is not a sumo wrestler |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 09:00 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Duh, I didn't get that they were making a point about obesity... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 09:48 PM Response to Reply #105 |
117. Did you know that they also starve themselve periodically? |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 02:50 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. I had a friend whose husband's vacation almost killed him |
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hertopos (715 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 09:02 AM Response to Reply #6 |
33. I totally agree. |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 09:20 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Well, I like to think of myself as an honorary Japanese, but... |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
56. Ok. So there's no point in trying. We'll just keep sitting in our cars |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 05:13 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. Thank you. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 10:10 PM Response to Reply #56 |
67. No point in trying to lose weight |
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DarkTirade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 03:30 AM Response to Original message |
9. I can only say |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 03:35 AM Response to Original message |
10. Asinine crap |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 04:16 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. It's not even a little bit asinine, and you should have read the whole article. |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 05:50 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. I still can't walk to Manhattan |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 05:54 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I give up... |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 06:07 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. My town was settled in 1638 |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 06:19 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Where you live sounds more like the country or a small town to me. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 06:52 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I don't see how it says any of those things. |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 08:26 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. You "can't walk"? |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 08:31 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Try some of the suburbs of Miami. |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #27 |
45. I was replying to someone in an old New England town. |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #27 |
48. Accidental Dupliate! Please ignore. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 12:19 AM Response to Reply #25 |
74. If the heat doesn't get you six months out of the year. |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 07:27 AM Response to Reply #74 |
94. I used to get those headaches at the Houston Festival. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 12:29 AM Response to Reply #94 |
133. I had NO alcohol on Sunday. I never drink alcohol. Can't use that excuse. |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #19 |
46. So because the article doesn't apply to you then surely it must be asinine? |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #46 |
52. No, I'm trying to point out that America is not |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. I still don't see how it makes the article "asinine" because it doesn't apply to you. |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Why? Why are you having a hard time with this? |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Because it's not just a California problem or solution. And it's not asinine crap. |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 11:59 PM Response to Reply #58 |
128. One Good City Is Nashua NH. I used to live there. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 07:16 AM Response to Reply #10 |
22. A parking space. n/t |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 10:06 AM Response to Reply #10 |
38. What does that have to do with the article? They're not talking about relative home prices |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #38 |
59. The development of these nice little walking communities |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 04:46 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. If you just don't care for cities and New Urbanism you're entitled to your opinion, but |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
110. "The miserable train"? With that kind of attitude we won't get anywhere -- folks have to be willing |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 05:27 AM Response to Original message |
16. Heck - I could have told you that. |
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we can do it (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #16 |
65. You Hit the Nail On the Head, Exercise and Sensible Eating Prevent Gross Obesity |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
23. This new urbanism is being adopted in rebuilding the Mississippi Coast. |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
26. I've been saying something similar for years. We're branching into exurbia, now. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
29. I'm seeing all sorts of defensive nonsense on this thread |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 08:53 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. What does that have to do with fat people? |
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hertopos (715 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 09:13 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. She was originally very fat... |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 10:25 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. While I agree with you that the story told does actually support the point of the |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 10:41 PM Response to Reply #40 |
68. I think it's more the consistent physical activity than the weight loss |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 09:16 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. 250 lbs vs. 290 lbs. can mean years of added life... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 10:45 PM Response to Reply #35 |
69. NAAFA tells people they should focus on behavior and not weight |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #31 |
42. What an incredibly defeatist and negative post. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 10:49 PM Response to Reply #42 |
70. You are the one denigrating her by focusing on her weight |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:15 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Wow. Just wow. I can't even begin to imagine how I could be seen as |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 12:25 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. What do you call an extreme medical condition? |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 01:00 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. I think you may have mistunderstood what I was saying. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 01:22 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. And what if you would rather have a life-- |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 01:32 AM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Uh, what? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 07:18 AM Response to Reply #84 |
90. It's about having a life that isn't completely occupied by treadmills |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 07:27 AM Response to Reply #90 |
93. But as a nation we are conditioned to only be satisfied by GIANT portions |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 10:20 PM Response to Reply #93 |
124. I don't disagree--I always have a "people bag" to take home |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 05:40 PM Response to Reply #90 |
113. What about spending all your free time in the car, like everyone in MY family? Presumably you too? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 09:49 PM Response to Reply #113 |
118. How much time you have to spend in your car depends on where you live |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 01:11 AM Response to Reply #73 |
79. "Still fat" means I live in the reality based community-- |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 01:23 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. You are living on the far outskirts of the "reality based community" if you think |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 01:28 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. You haven't explained why anybody should have to overcome their metabolism-- |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 01:40 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Huh? I wasn't asked to explain that and shouldn't have to do so. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 07:23 AM Response to Reply #85 |
92. It's the physical activity that makes you healthier, not the weight loss |
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Zywiec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 07:28 AM Response to Reply #92 |
95. I think it's both |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 09:50 PM Response to Reply #95 |
119. Actually, carrying a lot of extra weight is very good for bones |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 07:30 AM Response to Reply #92 |
96. So the fact that I am no longer carrying 60 extra pounds... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 09:53 PM Response to Reply #96 |
120. Plenty of people don't have similar results from weight loss |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 08:05 AM Response to Reply #92 |
98. Well my husband has reached his goal weight and has cut back on his |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 09:58 PM Response to Reply #98 |
121. The symptoms are guaranteed to return |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 10:46 AM Response to Reply #29 |
43. I had a similar experience |
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huskerlaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
39. Is everyone in Manhattan skinny? |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 12:01 AM Response to Reply #39 |
129. Chicago is an excellent walking city and is pretty overweight |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 12:54 AM Response to Reply #129 |
134. Chicago-style deep dish pizza could be the reason for that |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 12:22 AM Response to Reply #39 |
131. Last time I was in Manhattan I saw some pretty hefty people. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
41. Abso-fucking-lutely. |
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Rob H. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
44. I only live 4 miles from where I work |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
49. I don't know, but I do know that an individually appropriate cals in/cals expended ratio can. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 10:56 PM Response to Reply #49 |
72. You're delusional if you think you have control of that |
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wiggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
50. This is a current hot topic in urban design and public health. There's really no |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
51. As soon as they want to reduce the cost of living in a large city |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 04:35 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. For the Nth time, that is NOT what the article is about. |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 05:16 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. I'm with you Matsubara. |
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frankenforpres (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 06:50 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. better for health, better for environment |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 01:08 AM Response to Reply #66 |
78. I don't either. |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 05:01 AM Response to Reply #64 |
88. Well, I thank you for that, but Eridani has a point too. |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 08:18 AM Response to Reply #88 |
100. The weird part was that the NAAFA logic was applied where it was unwarranted. |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 08:43 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. This is true - it doesn't really apply to the New Urbanism topic at all |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 10:28 PM Response to Reply #101 |
126. Bingo |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 10:06 PM Response to Reply #88 |
122. Weight loss is a worthless indicator of health |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 07:35 AM Response to Reply #60 |
97. Oh, take a fucking chill pill |
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pink-o (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-23-07 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
62. This City is totally conducive to street climbing, biking and walking |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
76. Our town has a city bus system (town of 18,500--three buses) |
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mark414 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 02:16 AM Response to Original message |
87. right on the money... |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
106. This whole thread is a monument to people not reading or |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
107. Lack of sidewalks in burbs has far-reaching effects |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 05:36 PM Response to Reply #107 |
112. Hear hear. What's worse, major roads used to be pedestrian thoroughfares |
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wiggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
109. Go see activelivingbydesign.org for those with interest in an important, interesting topic and |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
111. Nothing can. It's 100% impossible for anything to prevent obesity. |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 08:09 PM Response to Reply #111 |
114. There are a great many doctors who sould disagree with that. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 10:15 PM Response to Reply #114 |
123. Provided they make "normal" body weight maintenance first priority in their lives-- |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 10:23 PM Response to Reply #111 |
125. Actually, moving to Darfur or someplace similar should do the trick |
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DIKB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-24-07 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
115. I was in my best shape |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
135. What I Said About the Suburbs Two Days Ago - Different Thread (Videogame Thread) |
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