Take down McCain as a candidate first - He has the most Bush Pioneers/Rangers supporting him

[ck4829]

John McCain is building a fundraising team around the very same Bush fundraisers who worked against him in the 2000 presidential campaign.

McCain lists about 60 former "Rangers" or "Pioneers," George W. Bush's elite fundraisers, who are playing an active role in his campaign. Romney and Rudy Giuliani each have about 30 or more of the former Bush bundlers on their teams.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070421/ap_on_el_pr/campaign2008_fundraising

[BlueManDude]

1. McCain will be the GOP nominee and only Gore can beat him

sad but true.

[aquart]

2. What on god's earth are you smoking?

Is this a satire thread?

[BlueManDude]

3. Who's gonna beat McCain?

The GOP field is a joke. Romney has money but he's hated. Giuliani is just not acceptable to the fundies. The rest are fringe kooks. Thompson wants to be coronated and that's not how it works.

McCain destroys Hillary or Obama in the general. You're thinking way too rationally about presidential elections. They are not about who stands where on the issues or even about McCain's insane stance on Iraq. They are about "character" and as defined by our national media McCain wins that one hands down. If you think our Beltway political class has permanently soured on McCain because he's had a bad six months you're in for a rude surprise.

He may be a joke here at DU (as he should be) but his candidacy is alive and well.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

5. tough to say.

People do weird things under pressure. And McCain is feeling the heat. not to mention spending money faster than my ex-wife.

[BlueManDude]

7. He looks weak now

but you can't beat somebody with nobody. The equation completely changes once the race is narrowed down to the two nominees.

[sasha031]

6. if that's the case we are really doomed

:nuke:

keep kicking the ap post,

[saltpoint]

4. Truth be told, McCain is doing a great job of defeating himself.

Not a few months ago he was probably the likely GOP nominee, but after meager fundraising and a lot of surge lip service, the public perceives that he would likely take Dubya's disastrous foreign policy and make it worse.

The "bomb bomb Iran" episode didn't help him much with anyone.

Independents, seeing McCain's lips tenderly approaching the president's backside all too frequently, have abandoned him in droves.

He looks and sounds like a whiney has-been.

I think he's cooked.

[babylonsister]

8. I absolutely agree; he doesn't need anyone to take him down, he's

imploding all by his onesies.

[saltpoint]

11. Yes. And I'm thinking none of us will miss him all that much, either!

'Mornin' to ya, babylonsister.

[babylonsister]

12. And a fine morning to you, Old Crusoe!

:hi:

And no, I won't miss him a bit; I still have this image a fellow DUer gave me of him walking the beach into oblivion, metal detector in hand.:D

[saltpoint]

15. LOL! A great image. and it will probably happen, too.

At one point McCain was in a position to claim the late-years Barry Goldwater legacy and ride it into the White House.

I think that window has closed on him, and he just doesn't realize it, or maybe he does realize it and can't admit it.

Fred Thompson co-chaired McCain's 2000 campaign, and without even lifting a finger is drawing double-digit support in a lot of GOP polls. That can't be a good sign for McCain's chances.

[lonestarnot]

14. Yes. When you have this at your doorstep, you don't look so good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTEBjPCNBbc

[saltpoint]

16. Hey there, lonestarnot. You bet. I bet nobody on McCain's staff

even figured they'd have to respond to Code Pink, or anyone LIKE Code Pink, and especially when McCain himself was the guy who triggered it.

The Straight Talk Express is still on the road but the tire treads are wearing down mighty fast these days.

[lonestarnot]

20. McCain's idiocy is genetic.

You may want to consider new tires! :loveya:

[saltpoint]

21. re your avatar: the London TELEGRAPH is reporting this morning that

Gore's team are trying to quietly bring together a working campaign staff.

I'd put more stock in it if it had been the London TIMES, but still it's an interesting story. And it might be true.

[lonestarnot]

23. I'm not going to hold my breath, but

that would just be fantastic! I love DK too.

[sasha031]

18. I just sent that out

and told everyone to send it out to anyone they know...


this really scares me, we buy elections in this country.

[lonestarnot]

9. Are you talking about the Bomb Iran Dude?

[Fovea]

10. and mccain is vulnerable

and could be stopped early with a lessor effort than later, should be be annointed.

I am more concerned with Brownback as a dark horse candidate from the snake handling segment
of the Republics.

I think they are wanting to show their power to the base, in fear of losing the supply side jesus vote.

Look for a stealth candidacy followed by a convention fight. They are experienced at flying under the radar.

Once, many years ago, I had the distinct displeasure of having a hunting recurve bow delaminate at full 100# draw...

The republic party convention may look a lot like that, only noiser.

[patrice]

22. I listened to a letter Brownback sent to 400 people at the local Stop Global Warming

event here and I agree with you.

He IS positioning himself to asuage the worries of RWers who are starting to catch Leftie germs, such as Global Climate Change and, from talking to his staff on the phone, I think he's getting ready to be the default leader of "new" Pro-lifers, who, while avoiding the essential immorality of War, do public penance (just like Edwards and Kerry) for being lied to by Bush and thus triggering a set of events in which IRAQIS KILL IRAQIS (i.e. "Horrible though that is, it isn't our fault").

He will, by no means, become a Liberal, but we're going to see a great deal of (light) Green paint and a pseudo revolutionary, phony "Seamless Cloak of Life" - which will be just enough comfort to RWers with uncomfortable consciences about Bush's War, and worries about what their Hummers are doing to their children's futures, to excuse themselves to fall comfortably in line behind the new Bullshitter in Chief, no questions asked.

Since he already owns everything to the right of his "new" position, this will make Brownback the one that is going to be a real problem.

Oh, and BTW, Bush's church machine is re-grouping in the churches as we speak, around the issue of Global Climate Change, all ready, willing, and able to support Brownback.

[Poiuyt]

13. McCain's fundraising has been disappointing to him thus far

Romney and Giuliani have raised more money

[Skip Intro]

17. I kinda hope mccain is the puke nom

He's been so far up bush's a** these last few years, and over the top supporting getting our troops, and innocent Iraqis, killed and maimed in what has become a very unpopular war (that more and more people figuring out we were lied into).

mccain as the puke nom would go a long way in making the 08 election a referendum on bushco, mccain has wrapped himself around an unpopular president and administration as well as an unpopular war. And who could forget his comments about taking a stroll through Baghdad neighborhood. No one, because we wouldn't let them.

Let mccain be the puke nom. We'll wipe the floor with him.

[napi21]

19. I don't think we have to worry about bringing down McCain. He's doing

a FINE JOB at doing that to himself. Far too many people now see him as an old, tired man who not only doesn't have the energy to be President, but he's linked himself so closely to Shrub, he's already a lame duck without ever having been in the office!