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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 01:51 PM
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White House as Helpless Victim on Health Care

by Glenn Greenwald

Of all the posts I wrote this year, the one that produced the most vociferious email backlash -- easily -- was this one from August, which examined substantial evidence showing that, contrary to Obama's occasional public statements in support of a public option, the White House clearly intended from the start that the final health care reform bill would contain no such provision and was actively and privately participating in efforts to shape a final bill without it. From the start, assuaging the health insurance and pharmaceutical industries was a central preoccupation of the White House -- hence the deal negotiated in strict secrecy with Pharma to ban bulk price negotiations and drug reimportation, a blatant violation of both Obama's campaign positions on those issues and his promise to conduct all negotiations out in the open (on C-SPAN). Indeed, Democrats led the way yesterday in killing drug re-importation, which they endlessly claimed to support back when they couldn't pass it. The administration wants not only to prevent industry money from funding an anti-health-care-reform campaign, but also wants to ensure that the Democratic Party -- rather than the GOP -- will continue to be the prime recipient of industry largesse.

As was painfully predictable all along, the final bill will not have any form of public option, nor will it include the wildly popular expansion of Medicare coverage. Obama supporters are eager to depict the White House as nothing more than a helpless victim in all of this -- the President so deeply wanted a more progressive bill but was sadly thwarted in his noble efforts by those inhumane, corrupt Congressional "centrists." Right. The evidence was overwhelming from the start that the White House was not only indifferent, but opposed, to the provisions most important to progressives. The administration is getting the bill which they, more or less, wanted from the start -- the one that is a huge boon to the health insurance and pharmaceutical industry. And kudos to Russ Feingold for saying so:

Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.), among the most vocal supporters of the public option, said it would be unfair to blame Lieberman for its apparent demise. Feingold said that responsibility ultimately rests with President Barack Obama and he could have insisted on a higher standard for the legislation.

"This bill appears to be legislation that the president wanted in the first place, so I don't think focusing it on Lieberman really hits the truth," said Feingold. "I think they could have been higher. I certainly think a stronger bill would have been better in every respect."

Let's repeat that: "This bill appears to be legislation that the president wanted in the first place." Indeed it does. There are rational, practical reasons why that might be so. If you're interested in preserving and expanding political power, then, all other things being equal, it's better to have the pharmaceutical and health insurance industry on your side than opposed to you. Or perhaps they calculated from the start that this was the best bill they could get. The wisdom of that rationale can be debated, but depicting Obama as the impotent progressive victim here of recalcitrant, corrupt centrists is really too much to bear.


read more: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/12/16-2
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Popular Front Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 01:52 PM
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1. Instead of posting rubbish against the President
Why not give him support so that he can get a bill with a strong public option passed like he is trying to do?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 01:54 PM
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2. meh
I don't think he gives a wit about a public option, if including one means this bill would fail.
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 01:55 PM
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3. Okay!
:crazy:
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:16 PM
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14. your smilie made me laugh out loud..nt
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:02 PM
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4. Have you seen him backing any real Health Care Reform? Or did he take Single Payer off the table?
Take negotiating Lower Drug prices off the table?
Help take Medicare expansion off the table?

What do you see that I can't?
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Popular Front Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:03 PM
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5. I see a populist President fighting against BigPharma and BigInsurance n/t
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:10 PM
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9. How? please explain.
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Popular Front Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:24 PM
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17. You think people with preexisting conditions should be denied care?
You think people should spend a huge portion of their income for insurance that denies them care when they need it? You think 40,000 deaths from inadequate health care in the United States is fine and dandy?

I support the President and health care reform. If you want to listen to Glenn Beck over Obama then that's fine. I stand by the Democratic leadership for true universal health care.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:32 PM
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25. Explain how, exactly, this bill will ensure that people get the care they need.
And note that health insurance is not the same as health care. Lots of people have insurance in this country, and lots of them are getting the run-around when they try to use it.
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Popular Front Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:34 PM
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26. By preventing discrimination against those with preexisting conditions
The Republicans call it "socialism," but I call it progress.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:39 PM
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31. Again, health insurance is NOT the same as health care.
So they have to accept you despite your condition. What's stopping them from delaying or denying the treatment you need?
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:10 PM
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10. Then you are flat out delusional or a paid agitator.
Facts is facts, buddy.
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Popular Front Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:37 PM
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29. The SEIU has steadfastly supported our President
Are you going to dispute with Andy Stern? the AARP has also supported the bill. Whose side are YOU on?
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:30 PM
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37. I have bad news for you.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4187012&mesg_id=4187012

SEIU WAS in support of the bill, until
it was completely gutted.

Now they are NOT supporting it, just like Howard Dean.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:48 PM
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38. SEIU, AFL-CIO backing off of LieberCare
Both the AFL-CIO labor federation and SEIU, one of the country’s largest unions are holding emergency meetings today to decide what to do about the Senate bill. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/16/labor-holds-emergency-mee_n_394070.html)

While the unions won’t make a final decision on the bill without the actual language to evaluate, these meetings are critical to deciding if they’ll pour their considerable resources into supporting, blocking, or sitting out the bill.

Sam Stein reports:

Though there’s no official word yet, early indications based on talks with various officials are that the groups will either formally oppose the legislation or, less dramatically, just not fight very hard to ensure its passage.

Labor leaders are fuming at the concessions that Democratic leadership made in the last few days to win the support of the caucus’s most conservative members, notably Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.). A bill that already included one highly objectionable provision (a tax on so-called Cadillac insurance plans) was stripped of a provision beloved by labor: a public alternative to private insurance coverage. Frustration boiled over even further after the leadership succumbed to Lieberman’s demand to jettison even the compromise to the public option — a proposal to expand Medicare to those as young as 55.

SEIU’s Dennis Rivera – former leader of healthcare local 1199 and current lead on the union’s healthcare campaign – backed out of an event with allied groups today to promote the Senate bill.

http://workinprogress.firedoglake.com/2009/12/16/seiu-afl-cio-backing-off-of-liebercare/
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:12 PM
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11. I'll have some of what you are smokin'. nt
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:14 PM
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13. heh
Edited on Wed Dec-16-09 02:16 PM by bigtree
President Obama writes a new health reform prescription

December 16, 2009

On the campaign trail, Barack Obama vowed to take on the drug industry by allowing Americans to import cheaper prescription medicine. "We'll tell the pharmaceutical companies 'thanks, but no, thanks' for the overpriced drugs -- drugs that cost twice as much here as they do in Europe and Canada," he said back then.

On Tuesday, the matter came to the Senate floor -- and President Obama forgot the "no, thanks" part. Siding with the pharmaceutical lobby, the administration successfully fought against the very idea Obama had championed.

"It's got to be a little awkward," said Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.).

It's even more awkward for millions of Americans who are forced to pay up to 10 times the prices Canadians and Europeans pay for identical medication, often produced in the same facilities by the same manufacturers, simply because the U.S. government refuses to rein in drug prices.

Those favoring cheaper prescriptions amassed an impressive ideological coalition, from socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) to conservative Sen. David Vitter (R-La.). But they were no match for industry-friendly senators backed by the administration, who on Tuesday night easily voted down "reimportation," as it is called.

The drug-money addiction could explain why the administration struck a sweetheart deal with the industry, which offered to give up $80 billion in revenue in exchange for an understanding that the government would not push for deeper concessions. The White House was determined not to go back on the deal -- even though the industry had demonstrated bad faith by raising prescription prices nearly 10 percent this year. So when Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.) brought his reimportation proposal to the floor, the administration pushed back with a letter from Food and Drug Administration chief Margaret Hamburg warning of "significant safety concerns."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/15/AR2009121504196.html


August 4, 2009 - Obama gives powerful drug lobby a seat at healthcare table
http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-na-healthcare-pharma4-2009aug04,0,3660985.story

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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:20 PM
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16. If that's what you see...
...then you need glasses. Seriously.

This President is not a populist, not by any stretch of the imagination. As one of the biggest recipients of Big Pharma / Big Insurance $$$, he was unlikely to fight them too hard, and that has proven out in practice.

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Luciferous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 03:58 PM
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35. Umm, he struck a deal with BigPharma at the beginning of the
healthcare debate. How is that "fighting against" them?
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maglatinavi Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:04 PM
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6. the potus
He is trying WHAT?!?! DO YOU THINKK WE ARE DUMB? PLEASSSE!!! hE HASN'T MOVED A FINGER TO PROMOTE A PUBLIC OPTION ... OR ANY FORM THAT WILL REALLY HELP US... GIVE ME A BREACK!:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:14 PM
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12. where have you been?
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:19 PM
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15. What color is the sky on your planet?
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Popular Front Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:25 PM
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18. Blue. Like my President. n/t
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:35 PM
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27. You are either a liar or hopelessly deluded.
Goodbye either way.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:27 PM
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19. Oh, please.
If the president wanted a strong public option bad enough, there would be a strong public option.
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Popular Front Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:30 PM
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22. There will be one. It's called reconliation. n/t
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:37 PM
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28. Bwahahaha!
:spray: Good one!



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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:29 PM
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21. Where is the evidence to support your claim?
Has Obama said recently that he will reject a health insurance reform bill that does not include "a strong public option"?
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Popular Front Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:32 PM
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24. From what I remember: yes, he has. n/t
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 08:43 PM
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39. He seems to have changed his mind since you last looked
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:31 PM
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23. Heh
:spray: Now where'd I put those rose-colored glasses. :silly:
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:39 PM
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30. Damn the DLC.
I'll never support them or anyone who implements their agenda.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:25 PM
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36. thanks for the laugh ...
rahm wannabe.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 08:54 PM
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40. It's not rubbish..
... it's the truth. Too bad you are as delusional as the typical Bush-bot of years gone by. No difference between you and them at all, no unpleasant truths for you!
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:05 PM
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7. the white house pretending they all have the vapours over this
when all along they knew quite well they would never buck their corporate overlords.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:09 PM
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8. I think Greenwald's observation is undeniable
The end result is exactly what was planned. Joe Lieberman is simply a pathetic, transparent attempt at misdirection.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:29 PM
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20. Most industrialized nations have universal heathcare that costs 1/2 of what we pay...
and is just as good and in many cases better.

Obama has an unusual ability to deliver a speech and to motivate people. I kept waiting for him to present the facts to Americans. Instead he turned the entire effort over to Pelosi and Reid and Congress.

Since Congress is owned by the big corporations, the result was predictable.

We will end up with a healthcare system designed to insure that we have a system that continues to benefit the heathcare industry.

All Obama had to do is to show this graph.



When all the complaints came in about problems in these countries involving rationing and inferior care, Obama could have simply replied that we could build a far better system then is available in any of these other countries and still pay far less then we do now.

But the medical insurance industry is now holding parties and uncorking champagne. In the backrooms their executives are planning to raise the rates for next year and the following years to astronomical levels.

The healthcare industry is composed of modern day vampires living off the blood of the average working citizen.



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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:45 PM
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32. "The Buck Stops..where?" A failed bill and a failed war. But, he's just a bystander.
My heart bleeds for him. :nopity: :nopity:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 03:09 PM
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33. Glenn on MSNBC now
Edited on Wed Dec-16-09 03:12 PM by bigtree
"this bill does more harm than good"

"bill massively increases profitability of insurance industry"
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 03:54 PM
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34. kick
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