GOP: Copenhagen could 'destroy millions of American jobs'

[babylonsister]

Their concern for American jobs is so touching. :eyes:
Except when it comes to paying for those jobs...

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091203-714257.html

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House Minority Leader John Boehner (R., Ohio) said he disagreed with the idea of redirecting TARP funds to a job-creation vehicle.

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GOP: Copenhagen could 'destroy millions of American jobs'
By Eric Zimmermann - 12/12/09 06:00 AM ET

Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) slammed Democratic climate-change legislation Saturday just as President Barack Obama prepares to trek to an international conference in Copehnagen.

In the weekly Republican address, Blackburn said the Copenhagen summit could result in emissions mandates that "would destroy millions of American jobs and damage our economic competitiveness for decades to come."

The EPA and Democrats in Congress, she argued, would heed those mandates by imposing new regulations on American businesses.

"With Americans already facing double-digit unemployment, there could not be a worse time to unilaterally disarm our engines of job creation and economic growth," she said.

Environmentalists hope that the conference in Copenhagen will result in a political agreement to work toward broad emissions reductions across the globe. Democrats say cap-and-trade legislation will create "green jobs" while reducing greenhouse-gas levels.

more...

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/71917-blackburn-copenhagen-could-destroy-millions-of-american-jobs

[SpiralHawk]

1. But, people without vested corporate interests, and with a clue

...pointed out that she was absolutely full of BS propaganda, and that by converting to sustainable energy systems and approaches, many, many more millions of jobs would be developed (although they might not further enrich the already entrenched Republicon fatcat 'elite').

Republicons are anything but 'conservative' They have this radical agenda to keep the Fatcats fat. Period. Screw everyone and everything else.

[fl_dem]

2. yet the GOP turned a blind eye

on Bush destroying millions of American jobs by encouraging and increasing the numbers of outsourced jobs in his tenure. And just flat out ignores the facts that while he was governor of TX for 5 years (with half the border under his watch) and president for 8 (with all the border under his watch) did nothing to stop the flow of illegal immigrants who are took our jobs and devoured our resources at an alarming rate.

The GOP has taken the eyes closed, hands over ears approach on global warming (and all other issues), and are a bunch of close minded fools who remind me of the same fools who told Columbus the earth was flat and he was going to sail right the hell off the edge.

[Birthmark]

3. Climate change could destroy billions of human lives

Which is more important, Marsha?

[fasttense]

4. Yeah, "free trade" destroyed millions of American jobs

and damaged our economic competitiveness for decades to come, but that hasn't seemed to stop corporations or Republicons from supporting it.

Trickle down, supply side, voodoo economics, globalization, neoliberal, Chicago School economics (what ever you want to call it) has proved to be a total failure yet the GOP, corporations and President Obama's economic team are embracing it tighter than the Waltons hold on to money.

[FreakinDJ]

6. DING DING DING - We have a Winner Folks

WTO has been a total Blythe thrust upon the American people at the behest of a select few Multinational Corporate Interest

[TheWebHead]

5. I'm in the natural gas as a bridge camp

you can lower carbon emissions significantly compared to our primary existing source of energy, coal, and do it at a competitive price/kWh... and the cost of energy is the problem as it relates to jobs and affordability. There will be a time for solar/wind when we get further along on storage and the costs for solar decline emulating moore's law. If we have to pay 5x vs nat gas to massively build out solar by 2020 vs. 2x if we waited until 2030, then waiting and using nat gas makes more sense, while allocating a small percentage of spending for renewables to advance the technology.

[SoCalDem]

7. GOP control for 28 years pretty much killed the US job-engine

Granted, Clinton had 8 of those 28 years, BUT his administration was "controlled" by the GOP and their media-buddies...and he spent most of his time trying to be "liked" by them and to get "their votes"...and to what end? They still hated him, impeached him, and still demonize him:(

[FreakinDJ]

15. We used to call it "Globalization"

and there were no shortage of conspiracy theories (Trilateral Commission)

But Specifically this was the reason Poppy Bush Lost the Election in 1992. The election was not so much the country's "Love Affair" with Bill Clinton (a virtual Unheard Of at the time) as it was a referendum AGAINST Globalization, the Exportation of Jobs, and the WTO

The current proposal is "Frought with Loop Holes and Problems" Already the EU estimates it has been defrauded out of $5 Billion Euros in the Cap and Trade Exchange program. Nothing exist to prevent Multinational Corporations from "Hop-Scothching around the globe" burning up 3rd World Countries Carbon Credits and moving on the next dictatorship that will allow their behavior.

In Short the Kyoto Protocol should be put to rest immediately and True Carbon Reducing Measures drafted in its place

[SoCalDem]

17. and then BC was sucked right into the nonsense..

and BC might not have even won if Perot had not gotten so many votes.. He was the "mega-Nader"..

and people forget that a LOT of the jobs that were "created" buring the BC admin, were those BS jobs made up from the welfare-to-work scheme..and they were only created because of government subsidies to the bosses who created them.. and once the subsidies left, so did many of those jobs...only then the people who took them, were ineligible for welfare again..screwed twice..

[spanone]

8. well, global warming could destroy america. p.s fuck ms blackburn

[shadowknows69]

9. And climate change will eventually destroy millions of Americans.

I think I'd rather deal with the job loss, which is bullshit because we could save our economy with green manufacturing jobs, but we won't.

[Hubert Flottz]

10. Why should we care about American jobs?

Those jobs are all in China and India now!

[B Calm]

11. They just want to keep doing the same old thing. Exploiting

planet earth for the sake of profits. Who cares what once was called the bread basket "the Midwest" is now nutrient depleted and require significant intensive farming methods e.g.; pesticides and petrol chemical fertilizers to maintain yields, which also cause the highest levels of cancer on the planet. Profits is the only thing that matters.

We have to be afraid of those liberals, after all they are the ones who sent our jobs overseas. Don't look at those greedy corporatists who just want to exploit us and not use some of their profits to clean up after theirselves.

[defendandprotect]

12. Global Warming could destroy humanity and planet -- !!! . ..!!!

[shadowknows69]

13. The Planet can't vote in 2010.

Politicians and ignorant people have short attention spans.

[defendandprotect]

14. Vote for Mother Nature from whom all wisdom flows . . .

[FreakinDJ]

18. Kyoto Protocol is a SCAM

Cap-and-Trade Model Loses Billions to Fraud

(Dec. 10) -- As negotiators grapple in Copenhagen over a global scheme to curtail carbon emissions, Europe's own iteration was revealed as an easy mark for organized crime. The development could lend fresh ammunition to congressional critics of the Obama administration's plans to limit carbon emissions through a cap-and-trade system.

Europol, the European Union's joint criminal intelligence agency, announced that in the last 18 months, criminals have gamed the EU's Emissions Trading System for a cool $7.4 billion in purloined tax revenues.

The EU's ETS, the world's largest existing carbon emissions trading scheme founded in 2005, serves as a model, for better or worse, for global trading schemes being discussed now in Copenhagen. After getting off to a slow start -- at first, European governments set the carbon caps so high that many power companies were profiting from the credits without having to cut their emissions -- the trade started to balloon suspiciously late last year. By the time volume peaked last May and early June, Europol investigators say, up to 90 percent of the trade in some European countries was totally bogus.
http://www.sphere.com/world/article/europes-cap-and-trade-model-loses-billions-to-fraud/19274092

Obama is RIGHT in wanting to scrap the Kyoto Protocol for some thing that will ACTUAL reduce carbon emissions

China has ONLY pledged to reduce their INTENSITY, which means the leading CO2 releasing country's (China) total carbon emissions will continue to rise for decades, while developed western countries transfer additional $Billions of their wealth to combat the problem

It doesn't sound like much of a solution at all if your TRUE intension's are to reduce Green House Gasses

[Viking12]

19. Dude, Kyoto died in 2001. Even for those ecountries that signed on, it expires next year.

[FreakinDJ]

20. What was passed in the house and awaiting a Senate Vote

maybe I'm living in a cave but I heard the House voted to ratify the Kyoto Protocal

[Viking12]

22. The Waxman-Markey bill concerns domestic energy policy

The Kyoto Protocol was/is an international agreement between nations signed by Bill Clinton in 1997 but never ratified by the Senate and was mothballed by Bush.

[FreakinDJ]

26. Waxman-Markey bill does have "Cap and Trade" provisions

It needs to be a DEAD ISSUE

[Viking12]

32. You don't know the difference between Kyoto and Waxman-Markey

but you're an expert on the policy. NOT.

[Spider Jerusalem]

30. Treaties are ratified by the Senate. Kyoto wasn't.

The House doesn't get a vote.

[defendandprotect]

24. We've known for like 25 years at least we have to stop burning fossil fuels. . .

Those who control our natural resources will delay until we're all gone and the planet

is reeling --

We have to get electric cars on the road and face up to the rest of it all -- !!

[FreakinDJ]

25. That is a given - but we won't be able to do it by sending money

and jobs overseas

The developement and technology that came out of just a few short years of Jimmy Carter's Energy Conservation Incentives was incredible. Even thou Reagan halted the tax incentives almost immediately upon entering office, Energy conservation technology kept on being developed well into the 90s

[defendandprotect]

27. As I recall, "Who Killed The Electric Car" . . .

by the end of it they were talking about batteries for the cars which

would be propelled by solar power --

What we have done to the planet for the benefit of enriching the few is just criminal!!

Carter also had some solar panels and stuff added to the White House which Reagan had pulled out!

You're right about the jobs --

We need to push for overturning these Trade agreements --

Otherwise, we're simply enriching our enemies -- basically, we're financing fascism.

:)

[FreakinDJ]

28. No viable means of transportation will run on "Solar Cells"

they are just not efficient enough - anyone tell you otherwise is scamming you

But that doesn't mean that some day 85% efficiency can't be achieved.

And that was why Jimmy Carter's plan worked so good. It drove the technology through the markets and was hugely successful. We need to employ that same logic again through a series of tax write offs and efficiency standards implemented on businesses large and small. Currently the largest purchasing group of photo-voltaic, and wind power, are residential customers

[defendandprotect]

31. Well, those working with it think so . . .

And it's obvious that burning fossil fuels should have ended 50 years or more ago -

probably even earlier --

See the movie "Who Killed The Electric Car?" -- probably at your library.

By the way, there's a TV channel devoted to environment -- they were running the movie

a few weeks ago. Planet Green --

[shadowknows69]

21. So mote it be.

[jmowreader]

16. jmowreader: GOP could destroy millions of American jobs

FAYETTENAM (Spurious News Network) -- In his weekly rebuttal to the GOP's weekly rebuttal to the president's weekly radio address, Democratic Underground member jmowreader states legislation created in the wake of the Copenhagen environmental summit will not be as damaging to American jobs as the Republican Party itself has been.

"Aren't these the people who created the maquiladora system, in which work in progress could transit between the US and Mexico tax free? Which led to the system we have now, where an American company such as Walmart will have product made in China or Vietnam then shipped to the United States for sale. Arguably there has been no job loss, but you'd have to be either stupid or ideologically rigid to claim a $15 per hour job making lawn mowers in Illinois is in any way equivalent to a $9 per hour job packing Chinese-made mowers down at Lowe's."

jmowreader also points out the Republicans' concern is at best misguided. "Building all that environmentally-friendly equipment will generate a lot of new jobs in America. Go out on the highway and you're certain to see wind turbine blades heading down the freeway. They're huge, they're laid up by hand and they're made right here in America because they're unshippable across the oceans. That's just one example of what we can accomplish if we were to turn the Republicans out of the room and allow the adults to work unimpeded."

[Tesha]

23. GOP: "Destroying American jobs is *OUR* job, not the job of some dope-smoking Dane!" (NT)

[kestrel91316]

29. Maybe we can arrange for it to destroy the jobs of the corporate bigwigs

who care only about money and are destroying not on the US but the planet.