How low can you go.

[walldude]

So when I heard there would not even be an attempt at single payer I bitched. I was told I was a whiner who didn't get his pony, so I lowered my expectations.

When I heard there would be a fine if I couldn't afford the mandatory insurance policy that was going to be forced on me I bitched. I was told I was a whiner who didn't get my pony, so I lowered my expectations.

When I heard that the "robust" public option would be reduced to "some sort of public option" I bitched. I was told I was a whiner who didn't get his pony, so I lowered my expectations.

When I heard that the public option was going to be replaced with lowering the medicare eligibility age to 55 I bitched. I was told I was a whiner who didn't get his pony, so I lowered my expectations.

Today when I heard that the insurance companies are celebrating their VICTORY on the health insurance bill, I'm writing this thread. I'm not going to bitch, that would be pointless, because I know there are a ton of people here who will be happy to lower their expectations once again and cheer this gift to the insurance industry.

Frankly I'm done lowering my fucking expectations. If I lowered them another inch I'd be a fucking Republican.

[ChiciB1]

1. KICK! And I Must Get Back To Making My Home-Made Christmas Gifts!

But JUST ONE MORE THING!! I'm not all that crafts-ie, so I go for baking or cooking goodies, but NOW too many people I know have DIABETES!

So it's PICKLES I guess!

[Vinca]

2. Time to find a veterinarian who'll treat both you and your pony.

:-(

[walldude]

4. More like time to find a politician with a fucking spine... n/t

[BeHereNow]

11. Or move to a country that is actually CIVILIZED, not just claiming to be.

Put a fork in this one, we're done.

BHN

On Edit: RECOMMENDED :thumbsup: :hi:

[walldude]

13. Yeah, don't think I haven't been thinking about that one...

In my travels I have come across a number of places that are looking good... As soon as the kids are out of school, if things aren't any better, I'm gonna let the door hit me where the good lord split me.

[BeHereNow]

14. I must of posted this a hundred time on DU, but here you go, again-

The most comprehensive site on the web for ex-patriots!

http://www.escapeartist.com

I LOVE this site.

BHN

[NYC_SKP]

28. What are your top five or so recommendations for other countries?

And I speak pretty fair Spanish.

Top five? :shrug:

And thanks for the link.

[BeHereNow]

29. One must take global warming/climate into consideration when choosing-

Obviously the BFEE thought Paraguay a viable option.
But then who would want to be within ten feet of them?

New Zealand is my first.

BHN

[walldude]

30. Thanks for the link.. great info there.. and New Zealand is top of my list as well

It's really beautiful there...

[BeHereNow]

31. No GMOs, no nuclear anything- no resources that the PTB will invade for, so far.

Plus, forecasted on the climate change map to be one
of lesser climate change impacted areas.

My best friend moved there about 8 years ago.
Loves it.
BHN

[defendandprotect]

68. Also not becoming a victim of American policy . . . away from home . . . !!

[JuniperLea]

126. Norway and New Zealand are my first picks...

As far from the Equator as I can get... with good healthcare, people who take care of the homeless... I'm going to read over the site you linked! I need to find out for certain how many hours of training I need in the Norwegian language before they will consider me. There's a Norwegian Seafarer's Chapel not too far from home, and I hear they give lessons.

:)

[Jackpine Radical]

66. I understand that Costa Rica is very civilized & progressive.

[Fire1sKid]

38. OMG THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE LINK

JUST ADDED IT TO MY FAVORITES.

[BeHereNow]

41. Careful, it's addicting!

I can lose hours looking at properties in NZ.
BHN

[freddie mertz]

55. Thanks for the excellent link.

I've lived in Italy.

Not perfect by a long shot, but they do have national healthcare and affordable prescriptions.

Also decent weather, lovely landscapes and art, a beautiful language, music, culture...

Oh screw, I'm outta here!

[Lorien]

84. Thanks BHN! I think I will start some serious investigating

"If you don't have your health you have nothing at all". They won't allow us our health; they'll poison us any way they can then deny us care when they've caused the cancer. I can't take it anymore; it's time to leave.

[BeHereNow]

129. I have no choice. I can't afford to stay here. The HCR bill sealed my fate.

As I've mentioned before on DU, I have an adult child with
a chronic life long medical issue.
There is no way I can continue to afford paying for management of it.
There is NOTHING in that bill or any where else that would
help us.

So, basically, I don't see an alternative.

BHN

[laughingliberal]

46. I didn't think of that til it was too late

Hit on the idea a few years back that as an RN I could emigrate. I was exactly one year too old to emigrate as an occupation of preference. Story of my life. Day late and all that.

[defendandprotect]

71. But what about the KIDS . . . anyone thinking their kids would have better lives elsewhere?

I do -- !!

[BeHereNow]

128. I KNOW my kid would fare better elsewhere. In healthcare for sure.

One of the reasons I have gotten serious about getting out is the
health care issue. My adult child has a life long chronic
condition that is extremely difficult treat or to get any assistance for.
Can't tell you how much I have shelled out since her diagnosis.
No coverage available, even if I purchased Cobra for her.

Other countries would simply treat her.
That much I've learned.

Here, the people who need help the most
are least likely to be able to access it...

BUT, we're number one!!! Right?
:sarcasm:

The HCR sham was the last straw for me.
Especially in light of the bankster bailouts and
the war with out end.

BHN

[defendandprotect]

132. Agree . . .

What I was trying to get to was the heartache that other nations have had over the
years -- Italy, Ireland, Germany -- as they sent their youth here to find new lives,
leaving families behind.

After "SICKO" ... I was at a loss to figure out why I hadn't thought of this for myself
years ago -- and wondered if my kids would begin to think of leaving. On the one hand,
you recognize the positives for them and want it -- on the other hand, you don't want them
to disappear from your lives!

Meanwhile, we have older Americans -- possibly parents and grandparents of adult children --
also needing to try to move on for health and economic reasons.

At one point, I checked some of the figures on out-migration -- I think it was 1.7% and
has been going on for quite some time.

My sister married someone who was a native of Ireland -- came here as a young teenager --
worked all his life here -- but had a big family in Ireland and he and my sister frequently
returned to visit. They had always wanted to retire early -- no children -- and 4 or 5 years
ago they did retire to Ireland. At the time, they took my mother who was a heart patient
with them and she got fantastic care there -- especially end of life care.

Very sad re your daughter --- but mainly because compassion is so lacking in our "for profit"
system -- greed and corruption run rampant!!




:)

[AusDem]

52. u can crash at my pad in melbourne, australia

we have medicare for all, plus limited private plans. its pretty good.

[liberation]

113. You know it is poetic in a way...

... when you realize that even countries founded as penal colonies have evolved better social consciences than we did.

Not even dangerous British felons would dream of a society based on a socio-economic system, that at its basic core can be defined as legalized sociopathy.

[BeHereNow]

127. Thanks! I've never been to Australia, but there is a good chance I will be there this year.

There is an excellent market there for the music I do and
the guy who is producing my CD has mentioned Australia and NZ
as good markets to tour the work, so I may just take you up on that.

Know any good musicians?
I wont be able to afford to take any of my guys
so I'll have to do a pick band where ever I play.
Good news is, my favorite back up singer moved to
NZ about ten years ago, so she can cover harmonies.

BHN:hi:

[Le Taz Hot]

60. Too many of us are over 50.

No one wants us. Including our own country.

[femrap]

99. That movie,

'Soylent Green' may come true.

Sometimes I think we could beat these Corporations at their own game. For example, you'd think we could find a group of doctors (such as Doctors w/o Borders) willing to set up Clinics in Mexico and Canada that would provide Health Care to Americans over 50 who have needs such as joint replacements and heart problems.

I'm not in the medical field, but I wonder what are the most common operations for those 40 to 65 years of age????

We would outsource our Health Care. Or make a deal w/ Mexico and Canada to pay for our needed surgeries and the money could go to feeding the hungry in Canada/Mexico.

The Insurance Lobby would probably put 'hits' out on the doctors who participated and the patients who went to them. Evil, fatherfuckers.

[Enthusiast]

53. Wrong.

More like time to find a politician that has not been bribed to vote against the will of their constituents.

[lark]

83. Spines?

Republicans have spines but no heart
Dems claim to have hearts but sell them cheap to the corporate world and so have no spines

[leeroysphitz]

85. Good luck.

[MrMickeysMom]

118. God, that is true...

... or, "true that".... or "+1"...

:-(

[AndyA]

3. "If I lowered them another inch I'd be a fucking Republican."

Sometimes it's difficult to see the difference between a Dem and a Puke, the line between them is so fine.

We have the White House. We have both houses of Congress. The overwhelming support of the American people. And still...they can't pass health care reform with a strong public option.

Pathetic, if you ask me. And they're going to pass some piece of crap, make us all pony up several hundred dollars a month for it, and tell us what a great job they did for us. They'll have bruises on their backs from patting each other so much.

Makes me sick. :puke:

[lark]

87. They're fucking themselve and the country

People aren't going to like paying more for insurance and will take it out on the Dem party by voting Repug and life will get even worse until they screw us over so royally the Dems look good again to the majority. I'm so angry at Obama for bailing on us, letting the Repugs and Repug twins (Nelson, Bacuus, etc) set the bar so low so the bill would be sure to be a failure for lower and middle class Americans. This was such an opportune moment, totally pissed away for nothing.

If I didn't have to take care of my 85 year old widowed mother and get my daughter thru college, we'd be so OOH.

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[walldude]

6. Sorry, can't really stand Big Ed

ever since I heard him kissing Liebermans ass after Lieberman campaigned for McCain I couldn't listen to him again.

on edit: Oh Welcome To DU

[MNDemNY]

7. Just shut the fuck up, get back in line.

take those tea-bagging opinions off this board. There are rules here. Clearly you must bow and obey, or you are not to be posting here. Now either tow the line, or go fuck your pony.

[walldude]

10. LMAO.. I tried that approach look where that got me..

Forced to pay for insurance I probably can't afford. Woo Hoo!!!!


I can't believe people like us still seem to be in the minority here...

[MNDemNY]

17. You will pay, you will like it.

[walldude]

24. I will pay...

I will vote Democratic...

I will bend over...

I will be happy...

I will get my pony...

[MNDemNY]

25. Someday...... someday.

[fascisthunter]

16. lol

[Matariki]

8. At least people are recommending your thread

I posted a link to Firedoglake's petition with the provocative title 'Obama Fail' and I'm getting raked over the coals. I'm STILL being told that we don't know what the bill is, so worrying about it is 'chicken little' :eyes:

the heart of the post:
What does this deal do? It forces Americans to buy the products of large corporations, then the IRS penalizes them if they refuse.

This is sucking so much, it's unbelievable.

[walldude]

9. Yeah I rec'd yours... but don't feel too bad there have been at least 7 unrecs

so far and not one of them has had the guts to post why...


One thing.. just some friendly advice, the reason your thread isn't doing well is probably the title. As much as I am angry at Obama I realize this isn't all his fault, he had no idea how deep the rabbit hole went. In over his head. This pile of crap falls on all but a few Dems. Grayson, Sanders, Kucinich and their ilk. Threads trashing him in the title are usually written off as "hater" threads before they are even read.

I changed the title of this one 3 times before I posted it...

[Matariki]

15. Yeah, I knew that about the title

I've noticed that people actually post in threads with 'provocative' titles. For better or worse. I've posted information I thought was valuable and watched it sink like a rock. Thought I'd try a different approach. Problem is, I'm so mad about what the Senate is doing right now that I should probably stay out of my own thread.

[charlie]

12. We could have single payer, public works, and rebuilt infrastructure

if they'd just put the world's dry powder supply they've managed to corner onto the market. Really, what good is a monopoly if you don't use it?

[ohheckyeah]

18. Not disagreeing, but where did you

hear the insurance companies are celebrating their victory?

[walldude]

19. It was either Comcast news or Crooks and Liars

those are the only other two sites I have been to today. I'll see if I can find you a link.

[walldude]

20. Linky.. It was Kos and Olbermann...

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/markos-moulitsas-insurance-companies-claim

[ohheckyeah]

22. Thanks.

Although, it will probably just make my blood pressure go up.

[AllentownJake]

21. It's the Change limbo nt.

[Skittles]

23. and for icing on the cake we get more war

[MNDemNY]

26. Me likes war.

KILL KILL KILL RAPE PLUNDER KILL SOME MORE.

[walldude]

27. Got plenty of money for that...

[AndrewP]

62. I'd give up healthcare completely if we could plunder more countries

Flag, Jesus, 9/11, freedom

[MNDemNY]

69. ..

:patriot:

[slipslidingaway]

32. knr - too true n/t

[walldude]

33. .

[walldude]

34. kick

[Mithreal]

35. Righteous rant, K&R

[varelse]

36. Nothing to add

you've said it all.

[winyanstaz]

37. K & R...and well said too...thank you

I feel the same...it sucks.

[Fire1sKid]

39. +1

[inna]

40. Rec +82, nt

[waiting for hope]

42. Most excellent - next question is when?

When are the American People going to be heard by their elected officials?

When are the American People going to be treated with dignity and respect?

When are the American People going to wake up to the fact that we live in an Oligarchy?

When are we going to fight back?

When?

[lark]

94. No hope

When are the American People going to be heard by their elected officials? Never, don't have enough $ and that's all that counts

When are the American People going to be treated with dignity and respect? Never, don't have enough $ and that's all politicians care about

When are the American People going to wake up to the fact that we live in an Oligarchy? Never - we can't afford to take out constant mega-ads like Wall St. and the other rich fucks

When are we going to fight back? Never - most people are so asleep, they have no idea they are being raped. If we didn't fight back over the blatant stealing of the presidency in 2000, there is no hope for us ever to do so.

When? Never.

[ipaint]

43. Just think after this fiasco is over

it's on to entitlements, gotta cut the deficit and as bernanke said that's where the money is. Wait till they start justifying social security cuts because Obama said it has to be done. They just handed their kids and grandkids over to the insurance companies in a deal with the devil, my social sec. will be a piece of cake.

Should be interesting.

I've got no healthcare, no doctor, no access to much needed dental care, eyeglasses held together with superglue, no job and 10 years to whatever piddling amount they leave me in social security after contributing since I was 15. There's not much they can do to me to make things worse than they have been. :crazy:

[Goldstein1984]

44. We have the government we deserve

We have the government we deserve, which is the government we tolerate.

The wealthy control the government, and the government controls the people to protect the wealthy.

The masses have lost control of their government.

Maybe it's time that the government lost control of the masses?

General strike? Hunger strike? Economic boycott? Just stop spending on nonessentials.

An economic message is the only one that will be noticed because it's the only message that will matter to the whores (politicians) and pimps (lobbyists) and johns (Wall Street).

We use blogs to blow off steam. We should be using them to organize a la Alinski!

[Enthusiast]

54. No. Actually we deserve far better.

The American people didn't do anything to deserve the plunder and corruption we see. Vast resources have been aligned against our interests. Most people are too busy working to hit the streets.

[Goldstein1984]

95. If we deserve better...

If we deserve better than we should do something to make the change. And I disagree that most people are too busy working to hit the streets. They are too passive to sacrifice their off-work time to hit the streets.

Yes, not everybody has the resources to take action, but there are enough that do to make change occur.

The ruling class has the masses beaten down, struggling for survival, pacified with entertainment and religion. Thirty years of trickle-down economics, union busting, fear mongering, and poor education have the People right where the elite want them--desperate, underemployed, on the edge of survival, and helpless.

Conditions will get worse, and maybe then things can get better.

[AndrewP]

61. Yes. When does the true revolution start?

I agree. When do liberals as a whole start forcing the Democratic Party to act like Democrats?

[madmom]

45. I have been pretty much quiet on the health care debate up until now......

but on this I have to agree with you. This is not what we voted for, not what we need. I too would seriously look into relocating.:grr:

[laughingliberal]

47. K & R nt

[FLAprogressive]

48. K&R

[peace frog]

49. Kick/Rec

My expectations are in the gutter at this point.

[Greyhound]

50. K&R 137, n/t

[Techn0Girl]

51. Well said - Thank you :)

[LWolf]

56. I never lowered my expectations.

I expected it to be a farce, and it is.

And I don't care how many damned centrist/dlc/"new" democrats try to bully me into "compromising" (giving up) with the "whining" and "pony" bullshit.

I can be forced under the bus, but I don't go without a fight.

[freddie mertz]

57. K & R. I sense a tidal wave of revulsion brewing.

If this keeps up, it will sweep the current president and his so-called Democratic enablers out of office and into the dustbin of history.

And then, coming out of the dark clouds of our defeat, standing, cackling insanely over the ruins, will be undead resurrection of the Puke brigades, lead by the bloodsucking Cheney and Palin, who have been handed a victory by our incompetent, corrupt, Democratic leadership in Washington.

Time to get on a boat.

[CrispyQ]

63. And when that happens the 'far left' will be faulted

for not supporting the Democratic party - the party that threw us under the bus & told us to sit down & shut up, the party that votes more like republicans every fucking year, the party that can't get elected without us, but won't implement policy to support us. I don't want a fucking pony. I want a party that represents the People over big business.

"If I lowered them another inch I'd be a fucking Republican." To the OP, a spot on rant!

[freddie mertz]

70. It won't be the left's fault. I'll probably be out there, holding my nose once again.

If they lose, it will be because they turned off the young voters, the ones who actually believed in the change they were promised.

[leeroysphitz]

89. Don't do it. Don't let them take your vote for granted. Voting for people who refuse to represent

you is worse than not voting.

[rusty fender]

75. And those same Democratic enablers

will do just fine. They won't suffer because they'll become highly paid lobbyists, if they're the ones to lose their elections. These pols never suffer like the little people do. So, they'll not like being without the power, but they'll be warm in the winter, cool in the summer, and have great health care insurance.

[secondwind]

58. But...but....but....isn't the private insurance company that will now be gov't regulated

mandated to pay 90cents of each dollar premium towards medical costs????


that's the latest news I heard last night. :-(

[johnlal]

79. Right. Until Senate Democrats make another "deal".

Then it's out the window like everything else.

[MissDeeds]

59. Terrific post

Lots of wisdom in your words, walldude.

K&R :toast:

[Deep13]

64. Not the change we voted for. nt

[Solly Mack]

65. k/r

[lib2DaBone]

67. Yes.. thank you...

Quotes "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our Number one priority and we will not rest until we find him!"

- President Bush, September 13, 2001

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."

- President Bush, March 13, 2002

In eight years of war, 849 Americans have been killed in Afghanistan, Pakistan and neighboring Uzbekistan, according to the Pentagon.

[Javaman]

72. Sounds like my rant from yesterday! :)

Cheers!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7189786

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

73. Well written!

[change_notfinetuning]

74. We all live in a yellow subma..., make that in Bendover, America! Enjoying it?

No wonder your brains seem a bit jumbled!

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

76. You will get no pony

and I will not get back my Constitutional Rights.

Prepare all for an implant. Mine works fine.

[kenfrequed]

77. I agree completely

And I always thought that the 'pony' thing was the height of irony. After all the 'pony' thing implies a rich little spoiled girl- which makes sooo much when juxtaposed with a mother of four working two jobs with no insurance or with a crappy insurance policy that deductables and copayments prevent her from using.

[caseymoz]

78. Yes it's terrible, but it will not stand.

People are going to be so upset with this that Congress is going to have to take this up again in 2011, tops.

I would like to see them enforcing the illegal failure to buy health insurance.

[Kermitt Gribble]

80. Great post, walldude!

A lot of us have had the exact same experience.

[mdmc]

81. hang in there my friend..

[flyarm]

82. Great post ! I on the other hand had no illusions after my vote was stolen in Fla for this election

for the second time and this time by the dems..I had no illusions whatsoever..the shadow government or the powers that be wanted this guy..voters be damned..Americans be damned and they wanted him for some reason..the media never looked into his past , the corporate boys ponied up big big fucking bucks for him..they didn't do it unless they expected a big payoff ..it is time Americans wake up..we do not have two parties any longer..there is one big party, with one giant money pot in the middle and you are not invited to the party!! You simply have to pay for it!

Great post, and I too have been attacked here for speaking the truth.. but I refuse to play the game,a nefarious pathetic game .. I know many of us fought the paid Bushbots and I see the exact same M.O. with many here..personally no one will shut me up ..i stand with truth..I can not be intimidated, and I will fight to my death for my democracy..there is no bus big enough to shut me up!

Fuck the assholes that spew the pony shit or the chess bullshit..or wait ..it is too early..many of us have seen this shit for a lifetime..and the assholes will take pennies and give away their constitution and democracy..to some they have no values or prinicples as long as they get pennies and dimes thrown their way.

There is no amount of money..that can strip me of my values or principles.

If you stand strong with your values and principles..the fuckers can not get to you..

as for lowering expectations..I had none..when the fuckers stole my vote!

[Dr.Phool]

92. Quit your whining!

Didn't you see the clearly written terms and conditions on your vote?

"DOES NOT APPLY IN ALL STATES".

No pony for you!

[flyarm]

101. LOL Dr.Phool!!!!!..I dislike horses so it is aok with me if I don't get a pony!!

as for the written terms and conditions of my vote..hell I don't think I WILL EVER BOTHER TO VOTE AGAIN..

I worked hard to protect the voters votes , by paying for audits of the DRE machines here in my county, I worked my ass off as a poll watcher at large to protect people's right to vote,I was an elected delegate.. and blah blah blah..i worked my ass off to protect people's votes when Dem's in congress and the senate looked the other way..and told me and others to STFU about votes being robbed..and stolen..I spent days and days in courts trying to protect voters votes to help lawyers understand the fucking machines..in two states..only to see my own vote get stolen by my own party..and do it without a huge fight ..I am done..

No more of my money..no more of my time and most likely I will never vote again,..why the fuck bother..the crooks are on both sides of the isle..and anyone with half a brain should understand that now..and if they don't, they don't want to know!

You know what I speak DrPhool..you have seen it up front as well as I have!..and the stink is corporate theocracy, it is fascist..and a myriad of words I could use..but it is not democracy.

We who have had experience have been told to STFU..and get out of the crooks way..or to wait for the pony, or some damn grand chess game , of there isn't enough time ..and that Obama has no responsibility in what is going on..well in my book..leaders>lead..we have no leaders anymore..we have corporate whores..nothing more..nothing less.

Too much money involved..and too much power..we the people mean nothing to these fuckers!

I am done..instead of worrying about others..I am going to live my life..travel the world and I am not going to worry another day of my life..if they don't give a shit what is being done to them..and they haven't cared enough to even look at who they are voting for ..then fuck-em!

I have spent too much of my life caring about others..even hurting my own health and wasting time in my own life...now it is time for others to give a shit and do something about it!




and with that..
Happy Holidays!!

[Dr.Phool]

117. I've got a new puppy.

I'll let you pet her.



That's her yesterday morning at the dog park by the sponge docks in Tarpon.



And a few friends.

[femrap]

86. Not just any old Repugnant....

you'd be a greedy, rich Insurance Lobbyist Repugnant.

Maybe all of those 'detention facilities' that Haliburton built are going to be for poor, sick Americans....a place to die and the movie, 'Soylent Green' comes true.

I fucking hate Health Insurance companies.

[grytpype]

88. If only a Pure had gotten elected, he would have miracled us universal health care by now, right?

The problem is the fucking Senate, which should be abolished, and you blame Obama for not working a miracle.

You compare his accomplishments to what you IMAGINE would happen if only we had a Pure in charge, right?

Where are the 60 votes in the Senate for your imaginary HCR program?

You don't know, right? They aren't there.

Leftbaggers make me sick.

[Dr.Phool]

93. And the Senate forced him to defend John Yoo!

[walldude]

96. Please show me where I blamed Obama

please show me where I mentioned his name. Where I layed this all out at his feet. Or maybe you ought to stop projecting and shut the fuck up. And are your "Pure" comments trying to say because I am unhappy with the health care bill I am a racist? Moron...

on edit: Since you decided to call me a racist and then run away like the coward you are maybe you ought to check out post #9 in this thread where I specifically say that I don't think this is Obama's fault. But that would ruin your little diatribe wouldn't it.

[sui generis]

98. "PURE" ?????

Are you from mars? go back there and vomit on your own fucking shoes.

[YOY]

100. and I am sure the Senate are forcing the renewal of the Patriot Act.

So take your fucking "Leftbagger" shit and shove it.

Why the fuck did you even vote Democratic if wanted the same fucking shit?

"Leftbagger"...jesus fucking christ...."leftbagger".

[Dr.Phool]

115. Don't you just love....

Douchebaggers?

[anonymous171]

104. Willing to throw the entire fucking senate under the bus in order to protect Obama from a little

criticism? Maybe the Hillaryites were right about the whole "cult" thing. :hide:

[YOY]

107. It would just be a different crew of vacuous cheerleaders then.

All 3 of our frontrunners nearly had the same politics. No point on pretending they didn't.

[inna]

105. Confused cheerleaders make me sick.

[liberation]

114. let me guess, you did not take Latin at school...

... it seems some of the Obama defense fund members seem to be under the misconception that "Hope and Change" is spelled "Status Quo"... LOL

[AllyCat]

131. Naysayers make me sick. "We don't have the votes" so lets not fight?

Get a spine. You just take whatever this bought-and-paid-for Congress tells you to do. I blame the Republicans for a lot of things, but I blame people like you who claim to be "democrats of some stripe" for bending over with the teabaggers and essentially killing anything that might have had a chance. Teabagger...look it up in Urban Dictionary.com. Guess which party YOU are.

[valerief]

90. Here's your pony. Too bad its legs are broken. nt

[inna]

103. ...

one depressed donkey

[walldude]

109. LOL.. that was originally the title of this thread

but the pony reference is getting old, I knew if I put it in the title the thread would sink like a stone. As it was I got 7 unrecs in the first 5 minutes. Imagine my surprise when I woke up today to find it at the top of the front page.

[Missy Vixen]

91. I'm sorry I can only rec this once

I'm a whiner who didn't get her pony, either. I can't imagine the wrecking ball to the average American family's finances this "health insurance reform" will be.

Good thing the health insurance companies are getting their cut, isn't it?

:mad:

[sui generis]

97. I don't need no stinkin' pony. But a real populist president would be nice.

Waugh. I'll quit whining and I don't get my populist president either.

What is the matter with this guy? He's turning out to be like George Dubya, except maybe more photogenic.

Barack Dubya Obama.

[closeupready]

102. A-freaking-men.

K&R

[TomClash]

106. Your pony died because he didn't have health insurance!

Good post. I feel the same way.

[Echo In Light]

108. Profit$ Over People = pure religion in this sicko empire

[whopis01]

110. This is exactly why you should not give in and lower your expectations.

It amazes me how little it takes to get someone to cave in and give up.

[liberation]

111. Progressives in this country, we're always being told to "wait and see"

only to wait, and indeed see that we were correct from the beginning.

[county worker]

121. And? You are going to let the right take over because of it?

I understand what you are saying and I don't disagree, but don't cut off you nose to spite your face. You understand that you will not get what you want. Maybe in the future I don't know. But you may not control what is done but you control how you react to it. You can make it worse for yourself if you want. Stay home and don't vote in the next election cycle, that will fix them won't it?

[Riverman]

112. K+R Totally!

[FLyellowdog]

116. Thank you so much for saying what I'm feeling.

I just wrote to Sen. Bill Nelson of FL and to the DNC saying much the same thing. I will not donate to DNC again and I will not vote for any Democrat who is looking and sounding more like a Republican every day. I am so angry.....:banghead:

[MrMickeysMom]

119. But, I DON'T WANT to be driven out of my own country!

(insert temper tantrum icon here)

Damn it...

My grandparents came over here at the turn of last century, I'm not giving it up a century later.

I just ran for local public office, as if THAT wasn't a reality check on "what money and power are all about".

Last night I heard Mike Malloy talk about the flack given by one of the most senior members of the House.

I could pull a rant of my own with," Okay, all you motherfuckers line up with me behind this guy. THIS IS OUR FUCKING COUNTRY, YOU GOT IT?"... but I know what is being said here is something we all need to BITCH about AGAIN.

What we need to do after this is what we need to do AFTER this.

[county worker]

120. Well, I see a replay of 1994.

Yep we got screwed again. Hope is dashed on the rocks again. I didn't think it would happen. I am feeling very let down and disillusioned. Everyday I feel that this administration's actions are nothing like the talk during the election cycle. They talked the talk and now on many things they do not walk the walk. If a health care bill passes that does nothing but force us all to buy insurance and in return we get a few reforms put in place, the administration will crow, the right will claim victory and I will feel like shit.

Still I will vote against the right in 2010 and 2012. After all no matter how bad it gets now, a conservative government will be worse.

So my word to all is, OK we won't get what we voted for, are you willing to compound that by letting the right gain more power over you?

[jgraz]

122. Hate to break it to you

but we already have a conservative government.

[Shagbark Hickory]

123. +1 But now it's time to put your money where your mouth is... If you have insurance, drop it.

[d3m0l1sh3r]

124. give up

i just gave up on america by now

[reggie the dog]

125. we should go back to demanding single payer national health insurance

[MNDemNY]

130. '

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[gleaner]

133. Don't lower your expectations ...

Leave that to the people who won't look around for fear of what they might see. Keep bitching. I have been bitching right along and if anyone tells me, "give the guy a chance," I tell them that I have but no more. If anyone tells me "give the guy time," I ask how long does it take to start a dialog with your own party to try do something better. If they start telling me what to think or characterizing what I think, I tell them that what I think is my own business and as long as I don't violate the rules of the forum it is not their business to remonstrate.

I wanted a single payer system, run through medicare to be paid for on a sliding scale based on income. To that I would have added a surtax on incomes over $500,00 because they can sure as Hell afford it. What we are getting is nothing, but after I saw the way Obama was acting I expected nothing, and I was rewarded in abundance. You did the right thing. Please don't stop now.

We need higher expectations and a few good upward shoves with them.