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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:13 PM
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Cheney for President?


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Cheney for President?
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed

Wednesday 09 December 2009

A Washington-based lawyer and former political director for the Log Cabin Republicans named Christopher Barron filed papers last week to launch a group called "Draft Cheney 2012." The group now has a web site where you can sign on to try and convince the former vice president to jump into the presidential fray next time around. "We hope," reads the banner on the site, "that you will join our effort to convince former Vice President Richard Cheney to run for president of the United States in 2012. No other Republican leader has the stature or experience of Dick Cheney. He alone can lead the Republican coalition to victory in 2012!" There's also another site, possibly a joke, touting a Palin/Cheney ticket in 2012.

Sure. Why not? After the madness and stupidity of the last ten years, having the political version of Gilligan and the Skipper share a ticket for the highest office in the land makes a demented kind of sense. After all, once you've hit the bottom of the barrel, you might as well stay and enjoy the view.

Mr. Barron appears deadly serious about drafting Cheney to run in '12, despite the fact that the former VP and his four heart attacks publicly stated he will not run. "We know that Dick Cheney doesn't want to run for president," said Barron in a recent interview. "This is about convincing the former vice president that we need him to run. And I think there is only one man who is capable of bringing the entire Republican coalition together and speaking with clarity about the values that have made our party great. And that is Vice President Cheney."

Barron is not alone in his opinion, Bill Kristol, writing some months back on his Weekly Standard blog, likewise saluted the as-yet-nonexistent Cheney 2012 banner, but with a twist. "Of course," wrote Kristol, "everyone's first choice for president in 2012 is Dick Cheney. But Liz Cheney's boffo performance yesterday in the lefties' den, MSNBC, defending sensible interrogation policies in the war on terror, surely puts her in contention for the runner-up position."

Of course.

A recent Newsweek article by author Jon Meacham further fleshed out the Cheney-should-run argument. "Why?" wrote Meacham. "Because Cheney is a man of conviction, has a record on which he can be judged, and whatever the result, there could be no ambiguity about the will of the people. The best way to settle arguments is by having what we used to call full and frank exchanges about the issues, and then voting. A contest between Dick Cheney and Barack Obama would offer us a bracing referendum on competing visions. One of the problems with governance since the election of Bill Clinton has been the resolute refusal of the opposition party (the GOP from 1993 to 2001, the Democrats from 2001 to 2009, and now the GOP again in the Obama years) to concede that the president, by virtue of his victory, has a mandate to take the country in a given direction. A Cheney victory would mean that America preferred a vigorous unilateralism to President Obama's unapologetic multilateralism, and vice versa."

This is quite a country we live in, isn't it? The Republican Party, once the dominant force on the political landscape, has caved in upon itself so completely that people in that party actually think this is a good idea. The unofficial front-runners for the GOP nomination in 2012 include former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who would seem to be a sane choice, save for the fact that his adherence to the Mormon faith puts him at odds with the all-powerful-in-the-primaries GOP base, which considers Mormonism to be a satanic cult. There is former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, whose prisoner-pardon policies have made him into a one-man crime spree that includes rape and the murder of four Seattle police officers. There is former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, who is just slightly less qualified for the job than a sack of hair.

And now, thanks to a few fringe voices, there is Dick Cheney. The former VP is, of course, the most famous living Republican aside from George W. Bush. For eight years, he ran the Bush administration on the sneak, unleashing a campaign of fear, warfare and wild spending that has caused the very viability of this American experiment to teeter on the brink of collapse. This was the man who claimed the office of the vice president was not part of the Executive Branch because he did not want to obey the law and hand his official papers over to the National Archive. This was the man who tore the country and a fair portion of the planet apart with statements like these:

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." - 8/26/2002

"Iraq could decide on any given day to provide biological or chemical weapons to a terrorist group or to individual terrorists ... The war on terror will not be won until Iraq is completely and verifiably deprived of weapons of mass destruction." - 12/1/2002

"Let's talk about the nuclear proposition for a minute. We know that based on intelligence, that has been very, very good at hiding these kinds of efforts. He's had years to get good at it and we know he has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons. And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." - 3/16/2003

"There are a lot of lessons we want to learn out of this process in terms of what works. I think we are in fact on our way to getting on top of the whole Katrina exercise." - 9/10/2005


It is tempting to laugh this off along with the idea that Huckabee or Palin could actually be considered viable candidates in 2012, except it isn't funny. Dick Cheney belongs in a prison cell, not in a conversation about the presidency of the United States. That we actually have people floating his name in the first place reveals just how dark some of the corners of our politics really are. Worse, these are the people whose ideals and ideology were the dominant force in government for most of this decade, so dismissing them out of hand is a truly dangerous error in judgment.

Indeed, quite a country we live in.

http://www.truthout.org/1209095
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:15 PM
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1. Gisele Bundchen has a better chance at being President.
Good piece BTW.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:19 PM
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2. Cheney won't be alive in 2012
His breathing problems are much worse than they were the last time he spoke. This pain killer druggie who lives on a battery run heart won't be around for much longer - thankfully.
Listen to him from last night - he's deteriorating rapidly.
Time for me to invest in some expensive wine - when that war criminal croaks I'll be celebrating big time.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:23 PM
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5. It might almost be worth the migraine
to break out a bottle of bubbly and join you.

I'll probably just lay in some sparkling cider for that day.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:24 PM
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7. LOL
I'm preparing from now. :evilgrin:
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:48 PM
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10. That's really bad karma, but I sympathize with your feelings.
I just can't bring myself to wish death on anyone. I hope instead for their ultimate enlightenment. In Cheney's case, I know that won't happen and as much as I detest that man, I can't do the death wish or death celebration thing.

Let's just say his karma will take care of him in ways we never dreamed...
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:05 PM
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15. +1
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:41 PM
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24. There is no such thing.
To quote a band, we're on the tip of a continuum flowing wavelike through disorder. Karma never enters the equation. The inspiration to be good should come from wanting to be good, not fear of reprisal.

And if I'm wrong may God strike me de.......
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:53 PM
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32. Well, if wanting to be good is a requirement, certainly Cheney is super deficient.
The guy is in negative numbers on the Karma scale. So something is bound to happen to him (but it already is, to judge by his apparent disabling condition).
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:59 PM
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12. He is the undead.
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:13 PM
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17. What's really disturbing is not so much that he even has a chance of running...
as that there are people in this country who actually think this would be a great idea.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 05:15 AM
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41. If we're fishing for disturbing things . . .
. . . . how about the millions who think President Sarah Palin is a great idea? Never mind that her supporters have proven themselves total numbskulls when asked about a position she stands for that either hasn't miserably failed in practice or is nothing but a homespun Reeeepublic'n talkin' point.
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 07:15 AM
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42. We really have gone down the rabbit hole, haven't we?
It's just unbelievable to me how fucking stupid this nation has become. I'd like to blame it on some sort of environmental thing like mercury in our fish or the heavy metals in Chinese products, but that wouldn't explain why so many people WILLFULLY and ENTHUSIASTICALLY try to behave as dumb as possible.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:45 PM
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26. I don't think so either unless he's cut a new deal with the devil. n/t
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:53 AM
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40. If he were healthy I'd be worried, but I think you're right. He's worm food soon.

Poor worms.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:19 PM
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3.  he's out there talking like a candidate. it's beyond frightening.
:nuke:
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:10 PM
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16. IF he survives to 2012, he probably will run
so he can pardon himself after his trial for war crimes.
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:20 PM
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4. Cheney will be president in his dreams
A Cheney presidency is a frightening, sobering prospect but it will never happen. The taint of W43/Cheney will not be removed from collective memory for years. Just in time for P47!
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:23 PM
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6. ARGH! BITE YOUR PEN WILL!
You have just penned a fate worse than death!
Shame on you for scaring me to death with the thought!

BHN:spank:
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:24 PM
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8. I'm pretty sure the Constitution at least implies that the president must be human.
A lizard spawned by evil probably doesn't qualify. I'm not sure why they let him run BushCo for 8 years.

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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:33 PM
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9. Darth Vader 2012
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:53 PM
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11. We already had 8 years of Cheney.
Edited on Wed Dec-09-09 06:09 PM by CJCRANE
Enough.
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Tuvok Obama Donating Member (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:01 PM
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13. He's pure evil, but I'll bet he can tell you what he reads...
...even if his answer is "Nothing, actually. I read nothing."

(By the way, I don't want a Cheney administration any more than I want a Manson administration, a Hitler administration, or a Lucifer administration.)

A Palin administration scares the hell out of me, for more reasons than just the obvious. A Palin administration means the country is infested with naked idiocy.

I got into it with a teabagger last week who was singing the praises of Bush and Palin, and when I brought up the fact that anyone should be able to answer the question, "What do you read," even if that answer is "Nothing," he became absolutely unglued. He actually screamed:

"WHAT THE HELL DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE! WHO GIVES A SHIT! WHAT KIND OF A QUESTION IS THAT! WHY THE FUCK DOES IT MATTER WHAT SHE READS!"

Screamed that. I thought he was going to physically attack me.

Cheney scares me because he's evil and intelligent. Palin scares me because she represents the low IQs of a vast number of voters.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:17 PM
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19. YES- well stated indeed!
"Cheney scares me because he's evil and intelligent. Palin scares me because she represents the low IQs of a vast number of voters."

Succinct, I like that.

BHN
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Tuvok Obama Donating Member (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:08 PM
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27. It would make a good DU poll
"Who would be a worse president, Cheney or Palin?"
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:18 PM
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29. So DU it! Make the poll! n/t
BHN
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 08:36 AM
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45. Dick flunked out of college. n/t
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:05 PM
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14. i love the cheney '12 campaign pic..
if he runs his campaign should use it! :rofl:
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:15 PM
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18. All kidding aside - there is talk about Jeb entering into the fray nt
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:37 PM
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23. He's supposed to be the "smart brother", isn't he? Signed PNAC, too.
Ugh--Bushes.

Hekate


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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 08:03 PM
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33. I think Jeb will be the nominee
I hate to say it but he may actually be one of their better options (not because he's great but because all other options are bad).
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:14 PM
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35. If not 2012, 2016
This fucker scares me more than anyone
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The_Commonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:18 PM
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20. President Cheney
I don't ever want to type those words again...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:24 PM
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21. He already served two terms. He needs to step aside and let another
homicidal psychopath have their turn.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:29 PM
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22. Thoughts of a Cheney candidacy are not only wishful thinking...
they're mental masturbation.

Cheney would be a 71 year old candidate, and 72 less than two weeks after inauguration day.

We've inaugurated only 10 presidents in their 60's, none in their 70's
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:43 PM
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25. Only if you count first inaugurations
Reagan was about half a month away from being 70 at his first inauguration.

The real reason that Darth Cheney won't be president is that if he really wanted the job, he'd have shown some interest in it during Shrub's second term, where he would have been in a position to make himself president for at least a half year or so. He knows where all the bodies are buried in the Rethug cemetary, and wouldn't have hesitated to throw Junior under the bus if that's what it took.
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dems_rightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:12 PM
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28. An inaguration is an inauguration.
Reagan was inaugurated when he was 73. There's no real world reason not to count it as having happened.
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:26 PM
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30. This criminal asshole would personally rig the voting machines
:puke:
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onlyadream Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:35 PM
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31. God NOOOOO!!!!!
After I read parts of the OP out loud, my 10yo son yelled, "Dick Cheney, President? No way! He'll start more wars and wreck the country." That's my boy.

Hopefully Dick will be dead by then.
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BobTheSubgenius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 08:14 PM
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34. NICE!!!
Well done, you! :)
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:22 PM
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36. It is within probability, and if her dad should fall...Liz will pick up the charge
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 12:42 AM
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37. If that motherfucker wins, I'm planning on killing myself!!
Edited on Thu Dec-10-09 12:46 AM by Harry Monroe
It will be much better than the hell that will await us and the world should Dr. Strangelove get the reins!!
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 12:57 AM
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38. "There is, in fact, no doubt he has weapons of mass destruction"
Wrong.

"we don't do torture, we never have."

Wrong.

KSM "provided us with a wealth of information."

Wrong.

"Saddam Hussein still had the capability to produce weapons of mass destruction. He had the technology, he had the people, he had the basic feedstocks."

Wrong.

"There's overwhelming evidence there was a connection between al Qaeda and the Iraqi government. I am very confident that there was an established relationship there."

Wrong.

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein had al Qaeda ties."

Wrong.

"We believe Saddam has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."

Wrong.

"(Saddam Hussein) is actively pursuing nuclear weapons at this time."

Wrong.

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction."

Wrong.

"I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind and haven't had now for over three years."

Wrong.

"We will, in fact, be greeted as liberators."

Wrong.

"The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight."

Wrong.

"The senator has got his facts wrong. I have not suggested there's a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

Wrong.

"The Kerry record on taxes is one basically of voting for a large number of tax increases -- 98 times in the United States Senate."

Wrong.


Rightwingnuts; they really love wrong.
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trusty elf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:39 AM
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39. Draft Cheney?
I agree! Draft bush too!

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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 07:21 AM
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43. from the crypt maybe
Last time I seen his sorry ass the other day on my teevee he was barely alive
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 08:19 AM
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44. The more rabid RWers view Cheney as the less dead reincarnation of Ronald Mc Reagan

A more truly pathetic bunch of daddy worshippers you
won't find anywhere. I'd love to see this taciturn,
toothgrinding mumbler in a debate with a real president.

Cheney 2012



Yeah sure
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 08:51 AM
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46. It is sometimes fascinating to see how the RW
mindset works. Didn't the Dickster have an even lower approval rating than bush?

Cheney, Palin...interesting to see who the RW considers real winners for 2012.

I just don't see how it's going to happen. But hey, I would love someone like Cheney or Palin to be the candidate in 2012.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 09:09 AM
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47. Draft 4 Deferment Cheney? For the Army, Yeah.
for public office, no way!
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PSzymeczek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 11:08 PM
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49. Five deferments.
not four.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 07:24 AM
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50. Thank you. Five Deferments.
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TwentyFive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 01:33 PM
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48. Don't laugh at Cheney. He is brilliant.
Edited on Thu Dec-10-09 01:44 PM by TwentyFive
Here is my theory: Cheney always wanted to 'run things'....but he's smart enough to realize that even a dumbed down electorate knows to fear him. (Cheney only seems to smile at misery...that might have something to do with it.) So he needed another way. He found his solution in W. Bush was dumb, narcissistic, naive and lazy. The perfect front man.

Once elected, Cheney easily controlled W and 'ran things' from the basement. Cheney and his cohorts (Banking, insurance, war profiteers, energy companies, etc.) were free to use the Oval Office to personally enrich themselves and their companies...but at a huge cost of human lives, safety, economic means and opportunity for generations of Americans.

To that end...Cheney is watching Sarah Palin with great interest. If anything, bet on Palin/Cheney '12.
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