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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:52 PM
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UFO Over Norway: Residents Baffled By Mysterious Swirling Blue Light In The Sky
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/09/ufo-over-norway-residents_n_385810.html

Residents in the north of Norway are mystified by a bizarre UFO that flashed over the sky. Pictures and video footage of the strange swirling blue light in the sky do not help much in the way of determining what caused the UFO. The description of how it happened is pretty incredible:

The phenomenon began when what appeared to be a blue light seemed to soar up from behind a mountain. It stopped mid-air, then began to circulate.

Within seconds a giant spiral had covered the entire sky. Then a green-blue beam of light shot out from its centre - lasting for ten to twelve minutes before disappearing completely.

The Daily Mail has some stunning pictures that you should be sure to check out....


Here's one of the pics. HuffPo has video. Hmm.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:54 PM
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1. That is some hoaxy looking shit.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:01 PM
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5. Looks kinda like a projection on the clouds, doesn't it?
Is the Joker plugging a new Batman movie or sumthin?
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:12 PM
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12. Amazing what you can do with $20 laser pointer
and some surplus weather balloons.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:24 PM
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109. (LOL). EOM
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appal_jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 03:48 PM
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51. yes
Especially because the light is brightest/most-dense near the ground, and more dim and diffuse up at the spiral and clouds. To me, this says that the source of the light is at ground-level.

But I'd be plenty happy to be proved wrong by some friendly little green men with a penchant for trippy graphics.

-app
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:29 PM
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106. Even though I truly believe that the laws of physics and time
should prevent any sentient alien species from being able to get here, I would be happy to find I was wrong. Those crop circles have me baffled though.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 01:56 PM
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2. "Deploy to your 2012 shelters now, Earthlings" - Them
Edited on Wed Dec-09-09 01:57 PM by SpiralHawk
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:14 PM
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13. Now that...
is hilarious. I've never seen a space invader wig out like that. :rofl:
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 03:04 PM
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34. I bid welcome...
...to our dot matrix overlords!
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:00 PM
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3. Isn't that the bat signal?
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:00 PM
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4. That is really strange. nt
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:02 PM
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6. Nah.. just a friendly message from Planet KMart
:)
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:04 PM
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7. Kucinich is on his way to investigate.
:P
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R. P. McMurphy Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:05 PM
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81. Good One!
:rofl:
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:09 PM
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82. Burn nt
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:11 PM
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83. Delete
Edited on Wed Dec-09-09 07:13 PM by Thickasabrick


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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:17 PM
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88. Ok, even I laughed at that.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:05 PM
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8. A close proximity black hole eating some matter?
Hoax or not, this one is pretty cool. Very unique.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:06 PM
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9. Santa's Elves - Testing The Navigation System /nt
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:26 PM
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19. Or the Grinch's anti-reindeer defense system.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:08 PM
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10. I have a lighting effect that does that. And about 200 other gobos.
It cost me 200 bucks.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:21 PM
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16. Are you saying they are doctored photos? Many people saw it and
air traffic control said it lasted two minutes.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:25 PM
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18. Yeah. I have to turn the damn thing off every few minutes or it over heats.
I don't know, I just looked at the picture and it looks like something pretty easy to pull off.

When the people get here from outer space, I'll say I'm sorry.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:30 PM
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25. Its looks fake but alot people saw it as well as air traffic control.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:37 PM
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31. It would be really cool if it were real.
Honestly, I don't mean to make fun of it.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:08 PM
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11. It's the K-Mart blimp.
Blue light special on snowshoes!
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:17 PM
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15. Or Balloon Boy has returned!!!
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:17 PM
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14. WTF is that?
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:23 PM
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17. Ball lightening?
Some mentioned it in the comments.

Very strange, though.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:28 PM
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20. Generic skeptic response. It is jupiter...
But it landed in my yard and aliens came out.

Still jupiter maybe mixed with swamp gas...
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:28 PM
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21. I wonder if the image was projected onto the sky ? See link.
snip

PLAN TO MAKE SKY NIGHTLY BILLBOARD; Advertising Companies Have Scheme to Project Signs With the Heavens as a Screen. MIGHT BE SEEN 75 MILES Experiments On to Sell Petticoats and Pills by Huge Signs Flashed Far and Near. How the Plan Would Work. Light Lost to Reflectio


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9904E5DC1239E133A2575BC0A9679C946395D6CF
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:29 PM
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22. Aurora Borealis
:eyes:
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:29 PM
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23. Time for some anal probing
Edited on Wed Dec-09-09 02:32 PM by progressoid
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:29 PM
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24. Elvis has only one tail light installed on his new space ship.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:31 PM
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26. Personally, I welcome our swirly green laser wielding overlords. nt
Edited on Wed Dec-09-09 02:31 PM by Javaman
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KatyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:12 PM
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61. BROCKMAN'S LAW!
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 08:31 PM
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93. I think I'm being followed...
:hide:
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:32 PM
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27. What? No Pink Floyd? nt
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:33 PM
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28. thanks for the op
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:35 PM
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29. That swirl is awfully clear for an otherwise grainy picture
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:36 PM
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30. That is the aurora imho
northern lights son!
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:38 PM
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32. Failed Russian rocket/missile test, nothing more.
Russian denial notwithstanding (scrutiny). There's one image of it floating around that clearly shows the smoke trail from the launch site (on the sea) to the beginning of the blue-green "light." The outward-spiraling "object" is a smoke trail created after the failure.

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 03:11 PM
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40. Failed missile launch caused strange light over Northern Norway
... Norwegian space and defense experts believe that this was a failed Russian missile launch from the White Sea ... Interviewed by the Norwegian TV2, an anonymous Russian military source says it was failed launch of a Bulava missile from a submarine in the White Sea Wednesday morning ... Spokesman in the Norwegian Defense Jon Espen Lien says ... It is quite normal that Russia uses the White Sea and the Barents Sea as testing grounds for weapons. According to NRK, Arkhangelsk Radio sent out an advance warning about several missile launches from the White Sea in the period December 7-10.The warning included launches on the night to Wednesday ...

http://www.barentsobserver.com/failed-missile-launch-caused-strange-light-over-northern-norway.4663494-58932.html
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:14 PM
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102. The Russians deny they were conducting missile tests
They're required to inform Norway of any tests. There was no notification.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 03:40 PM
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45. What do you suppose is going on with the missile?
Edited on Wed Dec-09-09 03:40 PM by Marr
Is it leaking fuel, as it's spinning out of control? I wonder if the cause was more obvious from other locations.
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 03:45 PM
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47. it's leaking fuel and spinning, yes
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 03:58 PM
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55. Hey, very cool.
Thanks for the link.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:49 PM
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110. Thanks for the sim!
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:57 PM
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111. Here's a link to another sim:
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 03:43 PM
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46. Missile launch gone bad looks likely to me.


Cool though.

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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:03 PM
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73. It does look like that. n/t
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 08:26 PM
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92. The Russians have a crappy rocket, but they've invented an awesome new firework
Should have sold tickets...
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 02:53 PM
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33. Testing for a new Vegas light show, I figure. nt
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Call Me Wesley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 03:06 PM
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35. Yeah, you just talk and talk and talk,
but can anyone lend me a hand here, please!

http://www.neave.com/games/spaceinvaders/
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 03:06 PM
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36. Franz Mesmer's plan finally coming to fruition!
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Call Me Wesley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 03:09 PM
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39. You don't stop to intrigue me.
Who does know anything about Franz Mesmer nowadays? We've must have been reading some of the same books. ;)
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 03:45 PM
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48. I wouldn't be too impressed.
I also know all the lyrics to Karma Chameleon. I forgot which day my father's birthday was on last year though...go figure. :)
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Call Me Wesley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 03:52 PM
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53. Didn't Eliphas Levy wrote them originally,
before they were adapted as the secret theme song of the Vril society? I think later Wilhelm Reich managed to save them from the FDA.

No worries, I don't know your father's birthday, either.

;)
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:05 PM
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57. yeah, but my father won't let you have it for the rest of the year if you forget.
:D

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Call Me Wesley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:10 PM
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60. Quick, get an organizer, a post-it note!
A time-machine! Never forget 7/11 anymore! ;)
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:12 PM
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62. 7/11...a day that will live in infamy!
I keep forgetting to get post-it notes due to a lack of post it notes (that really isn't a joke lol).
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Call Me Wesley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:15 PM
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65. LOL!
Edited on Wed Dec-09-09 04:16 PM by Call Me Wesley
I know what you mean. ;)

Ohhhh, P. S. I need to tell you, I got two green laserpointers today. Now I can draw my own UFOs into the sky!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:55 PM
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91. I'd rather see your artistic takes on them.
You being one of the few DUers who have seen an actual UFO and all.

Here's a tip...you can airbrush out the strings attached..... :D
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Prism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 03:07 PM
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37. We never learn
People really need to leave the Ark of the Covenant alone already.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 03:07 PM
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38. Jesus is coming. Look busy.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 11:08 AM
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116. "Jesus is coming look busy"... LOL.. good one...Probably just a test of " Project Blue Beam".
..Although much of Project Blue Beam info has been scrubbed from You Tube and Wikipedia... people may still be able to find some cached pages on it...

-----------------------------------------------------------

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Blue_Beam"

Project Blue Beam is a supposed covert project involving NASA and the United Nations. It consists of a plan involving four steps that stage an artificial Second Coming to establish a "one world religion" controlled by a New World Order. It was first publicly reported in 1994 by Serge Monast, a canadian journalist.

Blue Beam is apparently based in the high security complex of Area 51 in Nevada. The project has allegedly been tested numerous times in remote areas creating holographic images of Jesus Christ and UFOs.

Note: Serge Monast and another journalist, both of whom were researching Project Blue Beam, died of "heart attacks" within weeks of each other although neither had a history of heart disease.


Art Bell wasn't in Norway last night ...was he?

:tinfoilhat:
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 03:14 PM
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41. Frank Santos is trying to hypnotize the world
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Call Me Wesley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #41
49. Look into my swirly eye,
look into my swirly eye, the swirly eye, the swirly eye, not around the swirly eye, don't look around my swirly eye, look into my swirly eye, you're under.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:06 PM
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58. Bwahahahaha!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 03:16 PM
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42. Just some two dimensionals trying to contact us. Move along folks.
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Stevenmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 03:19 PM
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43. Van Gogh was abducted by aliens
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 03:22 PM
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44. They appear to be from the planet Photoshop.
In the Effects galaxy.
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 03:48 PM
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50. Or Russia. See post 47.
Too many photos from too many sources to all be shopped.

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 03:50 PM
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52. Riiiiight.
Because no person could ever stack books like that.
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 03:58 PM
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54. Or you could read the links provided and see for yourself
why the scientific community has concluded that this was a failed Russian rocket test from a sea-based platform. Hell, even the Russians admit it now.

But you're probably right - it's all a photoshop hoax. :eyes:

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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:13 PM
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63. Actually, Russia Has Strongly Denied It Was Them.
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:36 PM
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69. from the slashdot discussion, posted by Narpak:
"According to this article (in Norwegian) ; John Espen Lien (senior spokesperson for the Norwegian Defence Operations Headquarters; loosely translated) has confirmed that they had been informed about a Russian missile launch in the Barents Sea at the time of the light phenomena. Lien said this was most likely caused by the missile launch; though he couldn't confirm that at this time; but investigations are under way."

Article in Norwegian: http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/12/09/nyheter/innenriks/nordlys/rakett/russland/9426900/

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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:56 PM
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71. I'll Take Your Word On The Translation...
Edited on Wed Dec-09-09 04:59 PM by jayfish
but there seems to be some confusion over a 12/8 NAVTEX transmission announcing a possible launch(s) and an actual launch. Also, the Bulava missile (which speculation asserts this is) uses a solid fuel motor. What was leaking from it?

Jay

ON EDIT: I don't pretend to know what this is but look at the photos I posted below. Look at the symmetry of the spiral. Does that seem probable from something a chaotic as a wayward rocket?

Jay
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:31 PM
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97. I've seen trail from missile tests, they look just like that.
And if it spiraled out of control, that would also explain it.
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:13 PM
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95. They always do
Par for the course
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:42 PM
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98. And Therein Lies The Dilemma.
Regardless of what it is, if Russia says it's a missile, well then it's a missile. If they say it's not a missile, then they are lying and it's still a missile.

Jay
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:31 PM
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107. Didn't these aliens attack a child molester once?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:01 PM
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56. The images at your link and the videos give a more dynamic idea of this fiendish thingie:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:07 PM
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59. Space Sperm: In 9 months Gaia will have a baby moon.
Edited on Wed Dec-09-09 04:08 PM by Swamp Rat
Edit: ... or in 7 days. :shrug:



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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 11:21 AM
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118. IUD for a Black Hole.
:P
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:14 PM
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64. Worm Hole?
:shrug:
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:17 PM
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66. It's a hoax. HuffPo is become more and more a lame tabloid every day.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:34 PM
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68. What About It Is A Hoax?
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:44 PM
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70. So? And? The fun part is figuring out what's actually going on there. nt
Edited on Wed Dec-09-09 04:44 PM by greyl
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 05:01 AM
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113. actually, Huffpo is more & more one of few remaining worthwhile news outlets.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:22 PM
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67. The Giant Christmas Snail! Only shows up every 1,000 years. I had no idea this was the year!
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:59 PM
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72. I welcome our spiral overlords.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:10 PM
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74. Remember when President Obama admitted to being from another planet?
His alien relatives are visiting Earth to see him accept the Nobel Peace Prize!


"Contrary to the rumours you have heard, I was not born in a manger," Mr Obama said.

"I was actually born on Krypton and sent here by my father, Jor-el, to save the planet Earth."

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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:14 PM
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75. The ufo video fakers aren't even trying anymore.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:28 PM
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76. You Do Realize That This Event Was Reported...
by hundreds, if not thousands, of people and has been discussed by various governmental and scientific figures. There is no disputing the event took place. What it is is another matter. Knee jerk dismissals like this paint you as poorly as those who would immediately claim it was a signal from extraterrestrials.

Jay
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:41 PM
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77. I misspoke.
This was an entire fake event, not just a video. I shouldn't have minimized it to just the physical evidence.

But come on. This is just a light show.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:42 PM
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78. Northern Norway ...
from Hammerfest and Tromso, the Aurora is particularly bright this time of year...and there is no sunshine at all.

Appears to be some sort of earthbound projection.
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:34 PM
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79. Not going to say I told you so...man made worm hole
Edited on Wed Dec-09-09 06:42 PM by HipChick

http://www.zimbio.com/CERN+Hadron+Collider/articles/61/bang+Machine+Raises+Doomsday+Fears+Atomic


Could the upcoming launch of the world's biggest atomic particle smasher – nicknamed the Big Bang Machine – touch off a cataclysmic event that dooms our planet?

That's the fear of some critics of the Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland, which is built to slam protons together at an unprecedented peak energy of 14 trillion electron volts – nearing levels scientists believe were reached in the first microseconds after the "big bang."

The critics have filed a lawsuit against the U.S. government and the European Organization for Nuclear Research in Geneva, known as CERN, as scientists prepare to bring the collider online in July.

Co-plaintiffs Walter Wagner and Luis Sancho fear that when the collider reaches full power, it could create black holes or strangelets that would grow and eventually consume the Earth.

A black hole is a region of space so dense that light cannot escape its gravitational pull. Scientists have not proved the existence of strangelets, a hypothetical cosmological object containing an exotic form of matter.

Physicists at CERN and similar research facilities dismiss the doomsday claim as nonsense. But Wagner, a former nuclear safety officer who says he's studied physics for more than 30 years, wants the project shelved for four months to allow time for further safety reviews.

Fermilab in Illinois, which has the lead U.S. role in the Large Hadron Collider, also is a defendant in the suit, along with the U.S. Department of Energy and the National Science Foundation, according to MSNBC.

The Justice Department says it will not comment on the case before it files a response next month.

Federal attorneys are not expected to focus on the black hole question. They have successfully handled previous lawsuits by Wagner by narrowing their defense to issues such as claims the government and government-funded scientists have complied with environmental guidelines.

Scientists at CERN hope to see the first low-power proton collisions later this summer or in the fall. The collider will not reach full power – the big bang energies – until next year. By that time the Justice Department hopes the legal issues will be resolved.

Instant car melter

Fermilab currently has the world's largest collider, with a circumference of about four miles. But the new particle accelerator, buried an average of 100 meters below the border between France and Switzerland, is 17 miles around and will have seven times the energy of Fermilab's Tevatron accelerator.

The particle smashers, used to study the nuclei of atoms, take two beams of protons and smash them together after reaching extremely high energies. Scientists hope, in the process, to discover new types of smaller particles, known as quarks.

The beam of energy produced by the Swiss collider will be powerful enough to melt a small car almost instantly.

Wagner insisted safety reports he has seen so far do not rule out his black-hole scenario.

"For all I know, they will come up with some other novel argument that proves this can't happen," he said, according to MSNBC. "We want to see an argument that absolutely proves it ... because otherwise it ends up being 'we have no way of calculating.' And that, to me, is a scary proposition."

But theoretical physicist Michio Kaku, author of "Physics of the Impossible," said in a February MSNBC interview he isn't worried.

"I'm going to sleep well when that machine is turned on, because I know that cosmic rays have more energy than the Large Hadron Collider, and you don't see black holes from outer space," he said. "These are microscopic in size, and they don't last long."

Wagner further explained his concerns to Vancouver, B.C.'s Straight.com

"A micro black hole would simply bounce around, hitting other atoms and absorbing them into itself," he said, then, over a period of months or years the reaction would eventually grow to swallow the Earth.

Wagner said a strangelet is potentially more stable than existing matter. Therefore, he said, if one were created inside the collider, it would convert any matter it touched into a part of itself.

"The larger atom would eventually convert all of the Earth into a large strange atom," Wagner told Straight.com

Wagner's complaint for a temporary restraining order to halt the project reads in part:

"There is no question that should defendants inadvertently create a dangerous form of matter … or otherwise create unsafe conditions of physics, then the environmental impact would be both local and national in scope, and quite deadly to everyone."

A Canadian scientist who works on the project, Dugan O'Neil of Simon Fraser University in British Columbia, admitted to Straight.com that it's impossible to completely rule out some "very strange things" resulting from the new mega-collider. He, nevertheless, is not too concerned.

"It would be fascinating if those theories were right," O'Neil, said, somewhat in jest. "But the probability that they're right is exceedingly small."

O'Neil argued "there's no evidence that microscopic black holes exist; there's no evidence that strangelets exist."

Missing the creator for the particles?

John Conway, a University of California at Davis professor of physics and collaborator on the project, calls the collider "the greatest engineering feat of all mankind."

"It took the combined resources of nearly all of the countries in the world and thousand and thousands of scientists," he told the California Aggie, his school's newspaper. "People started designing this in the early 1990s and only now is it reaching completion."

A Straight.com reader, however, conveyed a different perspective on the project in a letter to the editor.

Michael Hey said it's reassuring to know there's only a small chance the collider will suck the Earth into a minature black hole, but there is a "more realistic peril."

"Consider the possibility that this research represents an intellectual dead end," he said. "Unfortunately, since so much money has been invested into a particular way of thinking about the world, it has become next to impossible for leading physicists to remain truly open-minded about what the universe is really telling us."

Hey reasoned that instead of expending more and more energy to "divide space," wouldn't it "make more sense to abandon the search for a fundamental particle in favor of a fundamental pattern of creation?"

"The Large Hadron Collider represents a monumental technological achievement," he allowed. "Unfortunately, this leaves ordinary people mystified and confused, stuck with the pervasive (and, to my mind, mistaken) impression that physics can only be understood by physicists."
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:15 PM
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96. Dude, you are hilarious
Thanks for establishing yourself as one of the "mystified and confused" ordinary people.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:39 PM
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80. Take me with you!
There is nothing but debt, depression and death on this planet.
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:14 PM
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84. Check out this picture of the same thing:

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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:14 PM
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85. Looks like a laser light show. The ice crystals in the sky
makes it even more visible.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:15 PM
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86. "the rapture wil not be televised"- gil scott-moran.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:16 PM
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87. ...and now you know what happened to Osama.
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kitkat65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:25 PM
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89. You know what's kind of freaky is that the Hadron Collider
was fired up that same night.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091209171152.htm

OoooOOOOOoooooo!

If anything, I think it would make a great opening effect for Dr. Who.

And, oh yeah, and I welcome our zombie-alien overlords.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:50 PM
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90. NONSENSE. It's photoshop and other foolishnesses. Not real.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 08:35 PM
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94. Seems you are wrong, and like other skeptics throw out things you don't like
When we saw the pictures of the spiral in the Norwegian sky this morning, we immediately wrote it off as an impressively elaborate, funny-looking but well-executed hoax. You probably did too, even after reading Google Translated reports in Norwegian newspapers.

Now, SpaceWeather.com, a trusted source run by NASA science writer Tony Phillips, says the “evidence is mounting” that the sky show was real. And not just real, but the product of a Russian missile launch.

“A rocket motor spinning out of control could explain the spiral pattern, so this explanation seems plausible, although it has not yet been confirmed,” Phillips wrote

A space animator even took the time to use a 3-D modeling program to show how the rocket motor could have made what seems a bizarrely regular shape. Although, the YouTube poster, unmannedspaceflight, made sure to note the rendering is “not an official answer.”

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/12/norway-spiral-in-the-sky/
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:51 PM
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99. Racheal is debunking...Russian missile
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:54 PM
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100. I saw a UFO when I was 9yo. I was outside with 2 friends in a neighbors
Edited on Wed Dec-09-09 10:27 PM by Subdivisions
yard and we were playing. It was dark outside and somehow I was on the ground looking up toward the sky. That's when I saw a gigantic triangular shaped object moving in our direction and going by directly overhead and then passing by until it disappeared in behind the trees. It had no lights, was moving slowly and silently, and looked like it was at least thousands of feet (hard to judge that at 9yo) in altitude, and the sighting lasted about a minute. I saw it first and then pointed it out to my friends. It was such an incredible experience that I can still envision like it was yesterday after nearly 40 years.

Now y'all think I'm nuts.


ETA: This was in Newport News, VA, adjacent to several military installations.

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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:57 PM
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101. Naw, I thought you were nuts before - and that UFO you saw was jupiter
It always is that, swamp gas, or venus.

;)
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:26 PM
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105. Hey, TSS! =)
:hi:
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:21 PM
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103. The top video looks to me like a rocket that's out of control. nt
The other large-spiral photos, such as the one you've reposted, seems at best some kind of longer exposure photography. If it was a rocket in some kind of unstable thrust or non-straight aileron position, then the sun could be reflecting off it's thrust trail, which could be much higher than this perspective shows.

I'm thinking of a rocket at least as high as noctilucent clouds might be, and consequently, quite a large distance from the geographic place the photo in the OP was snapped.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:23 PM
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104. Russian rocket
spiraling down.
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 11:20 PM
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108. Thats not a UFO, its just Loki up to his usual tricks.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 04:59 AM
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112. First thing I thot of was HAARP.
Edited on Thu Dec-10-09 05:00 AM by snot
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 10:45 AM
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114. Related news?: Russian Nuclear Missile Test Fails, Visible In Norway
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia admitted on Thursday another failed test of its much-touted Bulava intercontinental missile, after unusual lights were spotted in Norway across the border from the launch site.

The submarine-based Bulava (Mace) missile has been billed as Russia's newest technological breakthrough to support its nuclear deterrent, but the repeated test failures are an embarrassment for the Kremlin.

The missile failed in its 13th test on Wednesday morning, Russia's leading economic dailies Vedomosti and Kommersant reported on Thursday, quoting sources in the military-industrial complex.

Hours later, the Defense Ministry admitted the failure, saying the launch had been made by the Dmitry Donskoi nuclear submarine from a submerged position in the White Sea.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4178727
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 10:52 AM
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115. Fascinating images. Looks, to me, like a PSYOP where the images are projected onto clouds.
CIA wanted to do something similar in Cuba, where they'd project an image of Jesus onto the clouds, helping create panic over the approaching apocalypse and an uprising against the atheist commie rat Fidel.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 11:28 AM
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119. Of course it does. nt
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 12:16 PM
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120. LOL. Thanks for reminding me: How's Pinch?
Or whatever your bud's new name is?
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 11:11 AM
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117. Cool Art Project.. (too bad they didnt have russian rockets!)
Edited on Thu Dec-10-09 11:18 AM by Moochy
http://www.cinimodstudio.com/ufo-project




This is what an intentional UFO hoax for art looks like.

The thing over Norway is a terrestrial missile with technical difficulties.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 03:48 PM
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121. "Mystery mongering!"
"...

This is classic mystery mongering. A few unlikely explanations are tossed out, just to make it seem like all natural explanations are being considered. UFO proponents like the “defies the laws of physics” bit, as it makes it seem like aliens are the only possible explanation. And then of course there is the appeal to put more resources into researching UFOs.

Mystery mongering is often combined with anomaly hunting – looking for features that seem, superficially, to be unusual and then using them to eliminate any prosaic explanation.

In addition to the UFO crazies, we now also have the conspiracy nuts. (The two groups are not mutually exclusive.) To the conspiracy crowd everything even slightly unusual that happens is part of a dark conspiracy, briefly showing itself to those in the know. Over at the David Icke forum (of reptilian overlord fame), we learn that the spiral pattern looks like a portal opening, or like a projection. So either we are about to connect to the Stargate universe, or the government is testing out some mind-control or hoaxing technology, all to facilitate the eventual take over of the one-world government.

The pinwheel pattern aside, these lights would look like a straightforward night rocket launch. We then learn that this sighting took place over a military base. The BBC reports that Moscow has confirmed there was a failed launch of a missile from a submarine in that area that night. A finned rocket spiraling out of control would fit the video we see perfectly.

..."

http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=1349#more-1349
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