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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:05 PM
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Pregnant Teens playing sports?!
Edited on Tue Dec-08-09 03:11 PM by vaberella
Okay... I just read this article and it's as wonky to me as the Conyers incidents in the GDP section.

The article is posted below, please click on the link to see the video:

Teen Athlete Claims She Was Benched for Pregnancy


A Texas teen claims she was benched from her high school volleyball team because she is pregnant and that her coach told her teammates the big news without consulting her, according to ESPN.


Senior Mackenzie McCollum was a starting setter on the Arlington Heights High School volleyball team in Fort Worth, Texas, and according to Good Morning America, the school's athletic coordinator ordered her off the team until she could provide a note from her doctor after he found out she was pregnant.

After she got the note, the 17-year-old found that in her absence coach Jack Warren informed her teammates that she is expecting, Good Morning America reports. She was further distraught when her playing time was drastically reduced despite of her doctor's note saying that she was perfectly healthy and capable of participating on the team.

"He told me that he always does this before people move up and before the seniors leave, and then I looked on the court and everyone else was still there," McCollum tells Good Morning America, choking up. "I felt like this was the one thing that I could count on ... that everything would be OK and everything would work out and then that, too, was taken away, so it made me feel like I was kind of left with nothing to really count on."

The teen's mother, Barbara Horton, filed four complaints against the district alleging that the school discriminated against her daughter "on the basis of her sex and retaliated against her." The government opened an investigation of the case, because gender discrimination is a violation of Title IX, a federal law that prohibits such acts in athletics.

"My goal is for them to change their policies to include pregnant athletes," Horton said, "to nurture pregnant athletes, and to make sure that these athletes are successful."


Okay...now I'll give my input on this. I know how I stand on both problems I see proposed in this article.


The first is if pregnant teens should be allowed to play in sports activities. If the athlete intends to continue playing I'd have to question her sanity. But let's say she does, I would descriminate against which sports. In this the student is volleyball player. I used to play volleyball and soccer in elementary, and volleyball and badminton in high school--- in volleyball no matter what position you play there is often rough contact, by accident, within your team. And you can easily take a bad spill and be in some serious pain. So considering the teen wants to keep the baby, even if she was cleared by a doctor----I doubt I'd allow her to play. Anything can go wrong when you put yourself in a position of injury and if you intend to keep the child, it shouldn't be an added burden upon your team mate to be continously watchng your back during the game. The game then becomes about you and not, well, the game. Plus they would bear the added burden if anything did happen to cause her to miscarry.

I realize it's a difficult position...but I just can't see the amount of extra work needed for her alone as something efficient. But I'm sure others here will disagree and I understand the other argument, I just think it's dangerous. And to be honest unless the sport is fishing and badminton, I don't know how she'd be out of possible injury or having her heat rate increase only to a certain number.

The second issue was the position of the coach. I have to agree that the coach was totally out of line and definitely should be reprimanded or suspended without pay for his actions (ie telling why he removed her from the team). You don't call out her personal business. I think he had reason to bench her, but to publicly announce his reasons when she clearly said she didn't want others to know was out of line. <<----But THIS takes me to another point. This is related to the video: Note how the teen states she didn't want anyone to know and wanted to continue on playing and yet she assured her doctor that her team would look out for her. You don't want anyone to know but you won't tell your team? How are they supposed to look out for you on the court while you're pregnant.

I just say, but the game on hold considering your pregnant. But she still wanted to play...what your thoughts everyone. I think it's a hard position to choose, in relation to the first part. I had to really think on how I feel about that one.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:11 PM
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1. The school has a right not to have its ass sued off for fetal injury.
If somehow the school lost its mind and let her play, I would advise other parents to pull their daughters from any team the pregnant teenager is on. Those other kids have a right not to be sued either or prosecuted for assault if someone thinks she pushed too hard or whatever.
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EndersDame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:14 PM
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3. I knew someone in Highschool who did try to miscarry by goading people to fight
her parents were very catholic and would not let her get an abortion . Very sad all the way around perhaps this girl is trying to miscarry?
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:16 PM
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6. Tell me about it. I don't want to discredit this girl but that was my original thought.
She didn't want her teammates to know about her pregnancy. But she wanted to continue playing despite being pregnant. It doesn't make sense to me.
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EndersDame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:18 PM
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8. I believe she is looking for a way out.
It is so weird in 8th gradeI went to a religous school and the girls wanted to remain virgins until marriage but fingering and oral was how they got around it. I think this is how to have an :"acceptable" abortion
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:20 PM
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9. I knew a vball player and cheerleader that was intentionally falling
like over the top extreme falling, to the point we began questioning what was going on, privately. A couple weeks later, she was out 'sick' - and rumors started to fly. It was confirmed she had a 'miscarriage', though we honestly think she had an abortion (but we went to a private christian school). Either way, she was trying to take care of the situation - and diving on your stomach to go after a stray ball is a great way to get the ball rolling on the miscarriage train. But given that the girl in the OP seems to want to keep the child - I say she is nuts, and the dr needs his head examined. Volleyball is not the type of sport to be actively playing while pregnant. I could support coaching or training assistant, but not in the heat of the game.
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EndersDame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:24 PM
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13. some one needs to inform her about Pre natal yoga or something
I am an athletic girl myself and hate not being to work out because of injury.

Some religous teens think that oral anal and fingering is a good way to stay a virgin until marriage. This society is so fucked up that teens so shamed about their situation not to mention laws prohibiting them - dont have access to a very safe clinical and sterile procedure that takes under 10 minutes to preform
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:27 PM
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17. Well - I'm sure she's well aware at this point.
That was 20 years ago, and she's since had a few children. But it doesn't change the situation any.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:27 PM
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18. She had a doctor's note saying she could play.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:14 PM
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4. Good point. However, that doesn't seem to be the case.
They're calling this discrimination. I think the teacher was totally out of line, however the discrimination is based on the fact she's a pregnant athlete in a full contact sport where people do get hurt.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:21 PM
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10. I wouldn't doubt that the school's councel
would view her playing as a liability. I'm surprised more hasn't been said on that front. It's not discrimination - it's not wanting to be an unwilling participant in the event that she miscarries as a result of playing. And there by becoming a liability for loss of life.
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brendan120678 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:15 PM
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5. Agree...the school and coach both are likely...
to get sued, if by chance the girls gets injured, resulting in the termination of her pregnancy.
Just the way it is in today's litigation-happy world.
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EndersDame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:16 PM
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7. As I said before some kids try to miscarry because their parents are fundies
or they are too scared to tell them
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:22 PM
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11. IF that happened here, it would not prevent her parents...
...from suing the school on the daughter or grandchild's behalf.
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EndersDame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:27 PM
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15. I would imagine that would be a liability nightmare of epic proportions
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EndersDame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:12 PM
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2. If I was a coach I would bench her if it messed with her perfomance (as i would any teammember
pregnant or not with other issues) but I imagine liability would be a night mare for the schools


I think the coach is an ass though for outing her.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:23 PM
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12. Outing her - I agree...
Doesn't that violate Hippa in some way? Releasing someone's medical information. I think teachers/coaches are bound to that.
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revolution breeze Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:46 PM
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22. Not HIPAA
Edited on Tue Dec-08-09 03:56 PM by revolution breeze
She released her medical information to the coach. HIPAA only applies to medical and insurance employees releasing information.

From http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/understanding/consumers/index.html:

Who Is Not Required to Follow This Law

Many organizations that have health information about you do not have to follow this law.

Examples of organizations that do not have to follow the Privacy Rule include:

•life insurers,
•employers,
•workers compensation carriers,
•many schools and school districts,
•many state agencies like child protective service agencies,
•many law enforcement agencies,
•many municipal offices.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:26 PM
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14. If her Doctor says she can play then she should play.
I don't think the school has any liability if her Doctor gives it a thumbs up.

If her pregnancy begins to diminish her level of play then the coach has the right to bench her but I don't think he should have done it prematurely and he certainly needed to keep his mouth shut. I think the coach is likely a moralizing asshole.

P.S. Volleyball is not a full contact sport as some here have claimed.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:33 PM
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20. When I played it can get physical.
I was injured quite a bit. You bump into team mates---especially when your eye is on the ball and not really on much around you. You can get hurt.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:27 PM
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16. Pregnant women can safely play sports, coach violated her right to privacy
First off, there is no one "right" way for pregnant women to behave. Some are capable of playing sports far into their pregnancy. If it doesn't affect her playing, and if it is ok'd by her health care provider, there is NO problem with allowing her to play.

What is next? Mandating pregnant teens use the elevator at school since climbing the stairs might be too much and, after all, pregnant women have been known to throw themselves down stairs trying to abort? Good grief, she had a doctor's not saying she was fine. Benching her was wrong.

Secondly, the coach violated her right to medical privacy by telling others. This was NOT his right to do so. She has the right to not inform others of her pregnancy and to chose when and how to do so. The coach didn't.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:31 PM
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19. So even in high contact sports it's okay for her to play.
I'm not saying she can't be physically active. But I don't see how it's save for let's say a vball or soccer ball player playing while pregnant. Even the doctor said she'd need to be regularly monitored and watched during the game. Baseball, or as I said badminton okay or even running I can see a person playing whil pregnant but sports that deal with body contact that can get rough...not so much. And I agree fully that the coach violated her right to privacy.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:36 PM
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21. If pregnant women were all so fragile, more would miscarry by being active
I also know women who tried to miscarry by being active, being in contact situations and NONE of them miscarried. If her doctor gave her the ok, then yes, it is fine.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:48 PM
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23. If her Doctor says she can play and her parents approve of her playing,
I don't see any good reason she shouldn't play.

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