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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:02 PM
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Tiger's car wreck pics
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 12:27 PM by rocktivity
If Tiger Woods hit the windshield when he smashed up his Cadillac Escalade just outside his Isleworth mansion last week, he didn't do so hard enough to break the glass...His wife, Elin Nordegren Woods, told police she bashed in the rear passenger window with a golf club so she could unlock the SUV and drag her husband out.



CAPTION: (These) photo(s), taken Nov. 27, 2009 (hopefully not by the police) and provided by (most likely purchased from) the celebrity Web site TMZ.com shows a Cadillac Escalade that Tiger Woods crashed into a tree outside his home in Windermere.
(link)


Unless he hit his face on the steering wheel, the intact windsheild does not explain why he was from bleeding from his mouth. It also doesn't explain why Elin bashed in the back window: if she wanted to rescue Tiger without hitting him with flying glass, wouldn't have breaking the SIDE PASSENGER WINDOW have been the more logical choice?

It's official--Windermere, we have a problem...

x(
rocktivity

P.S. There are two other pics, but these are the ones that are worth the thousand words.

P.P.S. Who has custody of the car now? Was it towed, and by whom?
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:04 PM
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1. I'm wondering if airbags deployed or not. These can cause facial injuries. n/t
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:05 PM
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2. No airbag deployment.
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:06 PM
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3. Lots of damage for a low speed impact
makes the Escalade look like a piece of junk made with cheap parts.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:58 PM
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16. Yeah, that's what I was thinking
Looks like that damned expensive Escalade is made from Reynolds Wrap!
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:14 PM
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81. who said it was low speed?
All we know is that the airbags didn't deploy and apparently they don't when moving less than 33mph or thereabouts. Hitting a stationary object just under that would certainly cause the damage that it did. It also could be that the airbags didn't deploy because there was a malfunction. He took out a fire hydrant and then whacked a tree, and we see the amount of damage.... obviously he had to have been going fast enough for all this to occur.

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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:10 PM
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4. That's an ugly-ass car, imo. nt
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 02:07 PM
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23. Yeah, but at least it costs a lot. (n/t)
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 06:51 PM
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77. Too much bling
it looks like something Snoop Dogg would drive, not a pro golfer.
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:15 PM
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5. I'm confused
Why is it that Tiger Woods and his lovely wife are permitted to schedule and postpone talking to the police after this accident? Would that have been allowed if this happened to an ordinary individual? Am I the only one who thinks that sounds odd? I just can't imagine doing that. Or didn't realize it was allowed.
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:20 PM
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7. Odd but legal.
It's a traffic accident and case closed unless the police can make a DUI case. They don't have to talk to the police. Driving under the influence of DRUGS falls under DUI. My guess is that Tiger was on Ambien at the time, unless his wife really did knock him senseless prior to the crash. He was certainly urgently trying to leave the scene.
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 06:13 PM
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68. Uh O
I had no idea. Good to know one doesn't have to speak to the police. Bummer to hear there are rumors of his being under the influence. And Ambien? I hear that's quite popular and dangerous. Good thing the wreck didn't involve more lives or more damage. Quite fortunate actually.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:21 PM
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8. They have no legal responsibility to talk to the police.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 01:01 PM
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17. Nobody is required to talk to the police. Ever.
And yes, that includes you and I. I've known MANY people who, for various reasons, declined to speak with the police about various events, or who told the police that they would only speak with them after talking to their spouse/lawyer/employer/whatever.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:19 AM
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90. You don't have to talk to the police.
Edited on Tue Dec-01-09 02:20 AM by LisaL
But if it is a simple minor accident, and no one else was hurt, I can't help but wonder why he wouldn't talk to them. He is a public figure after all.

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quiller4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 02:27 PM
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29. You have no obligation to talk to police. All you are required to
do is provide license and registration. I've been in 2 accidents in the last 5 years. In both cases the other driver was cited. At the advice of my attorney and insurance agent, I provided no statements. When I told the officer that none would be forthcoming, he was polite and made no attempt at further contact.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:26 PM
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57. it isn't allowed, you lose your license for a year if you do that
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 04:26 PM by pitohui
has woods lost his license? he has all but admitted to being impaired

it's an automatic loss of your driver's license for a year

the longer he delays, the more time he has to get the medications out of your system -- remember, it's just as illegal to drive impaired on pain medication, including RX medicine, as it is to drive impaired on alcohol

you can't just hide under your bed and refuse to talk to police w. no consequences

this is special treatment, pure and simple
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yodoobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 05:05 PM
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65. Fifth amendment
They don't have to talk at all.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:51 AM
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95. It's called the 5th amendment.
They have NO duty to talk to police.

You should never talk to police if there is any chance of any criminal charge against you.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:20 PM
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6. I just saw a chyron on MSNBC that charges are pending. I had the volume
down so I didn't hear who the charges will be against.
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:23 PM
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9. Could be DUI or domestic violence. I think neither is likely.
They can't prove that Tiger was DUI (drugs not alcohol...something like Ambien). And neither of them is likely to press domestic violence charges, even if this were to be true.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:26 PM
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10. At the very least, he'd be guilty of what is called "careless driving" where I live
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 12:27 PM by rocktivity
due to his hitting the hydrant and tree. If he doesn't provide his license, insurance info, and registration, he can be charged with that, too.

The real problem is that the car's damage dovetials quite neatly into the theory that Tiger was trying to drive away from an irate club-wielding spouse. She could be charged with causing the accident, and even domestic violence if there's no reason to believe that Tiger's "facial lacerations" came from the crash. THAT'S why he's stonewalling everyone and wants to keep this "a private matter."


rocktivity
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quiller4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 02:30 PM
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31. Because the investigation isn't closed, that is the standard response.
If they have witness statements they could use those for a charge of wreckless driving but that is unlikely. If there are no witnesses other than Tiger, then no charges are likely.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 06:50 PM
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76. most likely reckless driving
Crashing into stationary objects with one's car for no valid reason like needing to swerve to not hit an oncoming vehicle would constitute recklass driving.

The cuts on his lips is consistent with a front end collision that caused this amount of vehicle damage and tearing out the fire hydrant while not wearing a seatbelt. He's lucky he wasn't more injured and hopefully didn't have any significant damage to his teeth.

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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 07:58 PM
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79. However, someone banging on your car with a golf club
WOULD be a "valid reason" for hitting a stationary object! That's the trap Tiger finds himself in.

:shrug:
rocktivity
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:47 PM
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83. I'm not seeing any beating damage on the car
All the damage I'm seeing is consistant with accident damage and the broken window which Elin said she broke so she could get him out. There's also what appears to be a mark on the car between the broken window in the back and the driver's window that is consistant with a swing and a miss with a golf club to try to break the window that was eventually broken.

The injuries reported are consistant with a person involved in a front end collision while not wearing a seatbelt.

All this other shit about an argument and supposed abuse by Elin on both the car and Tiger is nothing but tabloid speculation for no other reason than the recent tabloid speculation that Tiger was/is having an affair.

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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:12 AM
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89. Where was he going at 2 am in the morning?
And if it's a simple minor accident, why hasn't he talked to the police?
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:36 AM
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92. 7-11?
Who gives a shit that he left the house at 2am! Being a night person myself plenty of people are out and about at that hour especially on a holiday when most people don't have to work the next day. Maybe he was sleep walking. Maybe he got a craving for tacos. Maybe he couldn't sleep and decided to go for a drive. Why is it so unusual and even suspicious that he intended to drive somewhere at that hour?

He doesn't have to talk to the police, and since he knows he's likely to get some kind of recklass driving charge and maybe even a DUI involving medication he'd be wise not to. With all the nasty rumors and suspicions running rampant about the accident I can see why he doesn't want to talk to the police or anyone else.

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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:43 AM
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93. Well pardon me.
Considering he drove into a tree, I am a bit curious as to where he was going and why he drove into a tree in a one car accident.
I know he doesn't have to talk to the police, that is not the point.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 03:02 AM
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96. why does it matter where he was going?
The only thing to be curious about is the reason for the accident. Where he was going and why is unnecessary speculation... unless you're one of those people that's determined to believe that he had a huge fight with his wife because he cheated on her and she beat him and his car with a golf club, of course.

Why are you concerned that he doesn't want to talk to the police? Not wanting to talk to the police is not any indication of wrongdoing and shouldn't be cause for suspicion. Apparently, he was willing to talk to the police until he was advised not to, which is good advice. Since he knew there were charges pending why WOULD he talk to the police? It should be obvious especially at this point why he's not talking to the police.


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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 03:30 AM
Response to Reply #96
99. +1.
Edited on Tue Dec-01-09 03:32 AM by lildreamer316
Seriously, I don't know why this is any of anyone's beeswax.:eyes:
Oh,and do ya KNOW how many times I have gone grocery shopping at 4 AM?
It's so nice and quiet..LOL!
(:hug:)
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:32 PM
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11. Waitaminute...
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 12:33 PM by WhaTHellsgoingonhere
She smashed out the side window, not the back window.




I'll be damned. From the impact on the driver's side, he drove forward into the hydrant.


I suspect that she'd have left divots on the car. Could be one between the driver window and the window she busted out. If so, no wonder he hit the tree.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:41 PM
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12. She may have smashed the BACK DOOR window before the crash
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 12:47 PM by rocktivity
(you can't tell from any of the photos) and the side window afterwards. As I said, if she smashed a side window only, then Elin's story makes SOME sense.

:headbang:
rocktivity
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:54 PM
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15. She smashed BOTH side windows.
Seems she was a bit upset, by the crash, I'm sure.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 02:11 PM
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25. Oops, I see you beat me by an hour. (n/t)
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 02:25 PM
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28. Yes she did! lol
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:18 PM
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84. I'm only seeing one window broken in the photos
Where is the evidence of more than one broken window?
:shrug:


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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #84
102. Look through the window to the other side. You can see people.
There was a dark tinted window there, which is gone.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 02:10 PM
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24. I don't wanna interrupt the piling on...
...but she broke the window that wasn't right next to his head.

Assuming it was post-crash, it makes a ton of sense.
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TicketyBoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #24
103. That was exactly
my thought, too.

Assuming she was trying to help him, she wouldn't have wanted to be swinging that golf club through a window and into his head.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:02 AM
Response to Reply #11
88. I fail to see how you can say the back window isn't smashed
because you can not see the back window in this photo.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:23 AM
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91. it's more likely that it isn't since there is no photo of it
Surely if there was any evidence that more than the one smashed window existed there would be a photo of it since more than one smashed window would be more indicative that Elin's version of events is false. Seeing as of all the photos taken of the vehicle from various angles only show one window broken one would be more inclined to believe that only one was broken. Surely if there was damage indicating that the car was hit with an instrument such as a golf club there would be photos showing such damage. Of all these photos all that can be seen is one broken window and damage consistent with a car accident.

Whoever took the photos had the time to take many of them from angles all around the car yet they didn't take any that would show some actual evidence that more than one window was broken and Elin beat on the car with a golf club. Now why would that be? A logical person would surmise that more than one window being broken and damage consistent with the car being whacked with a golf club doesn't exist.

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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:48 PM
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13. Self delete
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 12:50 PM by Atman
self delete (I don't care that much).
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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:52 PM
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14. Waitaminute, that's not a Buick
Oh, I forgot, Buick dropped him three days before the incident.

GM To Halt Endorsement Deal With Tiger

November 24, 2008

DETROIT -- General Motors is bailing out on Tiger Woods.

Woods, a global icon in sports with his 14 major championships, has been carrying the Buick logo on his golf bag for the last nine years and still had one year left on his contract.

But General Motors Corp. was looking to cut costs and hoard cash while trying to survive the worst sales downturn in a quarter-century. And it said Monday the world's No. 1 golfer wanted more time for himself, especially with a second child on the way.

"Timing is everything," said Larry Peck, golf marketing manager for Buick. "We've had such a great partnership with Tiger. It's hard for us to walk away from that. But this frees up time for him. And it sure frees up a lot of money for us."

The endorsement deal, believed to be worth at least $7 million a year, was to expire at the end of 2009.


Woods has endorsed GM products around the world and mainly has been seen in Buick commercials as the company tried to give the nameplate a more youthful image. Peck said during the launch a few years ago of the Enclave that its research showed 78 percent of consumers who bought the SUV previously had not been Buick owners.

<more>

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=3722964
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #14
27. That would be a year and 3 days.
And it was a cost cutting measure by Buick.
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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #27
39. Oops!
I have not followed this story closely.

:rofl:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 01:04 PM
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18. If he remained faithful, I wouldn't have as many qualms over his double-standards.
Here's a guy who hawks Nike garbage - stuff made with sweatshop labor at over-glorified prices...

Wait, there are no double-standards. He's a consistent louse.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 01:09 PM
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19. She Beat The Shit Out Of Him And Came After Him W/ The Golf Club
He was trying to get away and she was wailing away at the car and he crashed it.

Pretty obvious. :shrug:
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 01:44 PM
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21. Mr Woods is a professional athlete, capable of nearly putting a golf ball in low earth orbit..
Mrs Woods on the other hand comes from profession notorious for the commonness of eating disorders among its most highly paid practitioners, not a recipe likely to confer extreme strength.

If she beat him up he was already wasted to start with to the point he couldn't defend himself even passively.

And I'm quite surprised that someone of Mr Woods fame and wealth doesn't have round the clock, on the spot security, especially with a new baby in the home, some fans are very strange.



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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 01:54 PM
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22. You Obviously Don't Understand Abuse Nor The Power Of A Golf Club
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 02:01 PM by Beetwasher
If she was hitting him w/ a golf club (or attempting to), unless he's trained to defend himself against such an attack, what makes you think he could do so, just because he's a pro athlete (and a golfer hardly needs be a paragon of physical prowess)? You think it's easy to fend off such an attack, regardless of who's wielding the club?

And even if she didn't use the club, what makes you think she couldn't harm him? What if she sucker punched him? He may not have tried to fend her off too hard for fear HE would be accused of abusing HER. It sure does look as if he was running away from her and possibly w/ good reason.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 02:20 PM
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26. If she smacked him with a golf club he'd have more than a few scratches..
I grew up with a brother with whom I fought a great deal, I've also had someone my size or bigger come after me with an iron pipe back in the day, I took it away from them after they jabbed me in the face with it and then kicked their ass so I do know a thing or two about physical violence.

With something like a golf club the real danger is to be hit with the head of it, so you get close to the wielder in order that they can't bring the truly dangerous part to bear.

I'm by no means a sports fan and definitely not golf but I understand that Mr Woods is in very good shape and works out regularly.


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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 02:35 PM
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32. Doesn't Matter
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 02:36 PM by Beetwasher
First of all, we don't know the extent of his injuries. Second of all, what makes you think he wanted to fight back? Maybe he just wanted to get away from her. I'm not sure what you're implying. Are you saying there's no way she could have injured him because he's an athlete? Or he had to be drunk in order for her to hurt him? That's absurd.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 02:51 PM
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33. He was in and out of the hospital pretty quickly..
One good whack with a the head of a golf club and he'd be in there for a while.

Let's just say it seems unlikely she could have done him a great deal of damage given the differences in their physiques unless she either caught him unawares or he was incapacitated in some way.

Marital squabbles rarely start at full chat, they usually ramp up over some period of time.

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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 02:54 PM
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34. You Don't Know What The Fuck Your Talking About
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 02:58 PM by Beetwasher
Seriously.

Great deal of damage. Some damage. Minor damage. Whatever. It's still fucking damage. Period. What's your point? It's ok as long as he wasn't in the hospital for a long time as a result of her (allegedly) abusive behavior? If she damaged him in ANY way, even a few scratches, guess what? It's assault. That's ok w/ you?
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. And you are privy to the entire truth?
We really have no way of knowing how Mr Woods was injured.

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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:03 PM
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38. Never Said I Knew The Truth, But Again, What's Your Fucking Point?
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 03:04 PM by Beetwasher
Yeah, we have no way of knowing what happened. From what I can tell, it looks like she assaulted him and he was trying to get away, but I don't really know, I could be totally wrong. If she DID assault him why do you feel the need to excuse her behavior or claim it's not possible becasue he's an "athlete"?
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:08 PM
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40. I wasn't excusing anything..
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:13 PM
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42. "Mr Woods is well known to have a bad temper."-But You're Not Excusing
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 03:15 PM by Beetwasher
Pathetic.

Oh well, since he threw a golf club at a tournament his wife would be fully justified in allegedly assaulting him! :eyes:
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #42
43. Did you watch the video?
He could easily have severely injured or even killed someone with his childish tantrum.

And that was in public, I wonder how he is in private?

Put away your hero worship and look at things as they really are, we have no way of knowing what really happened.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. Well Then! He MUST Be Guilty!!
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 03:21 PM by Beetwasher
Good lord are you pathetic.

I couldn't give a shit about Tiger Woods, I don't play golf or even own a golf club. You however obviously have some insane need to villify this guy when for all intent in purpose at this point in time all we know is he's a victim of at the very least a car crash.

Speculate away about what you think happened, but to claim it's not possible she can assualt and injure him is idiotic.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. I posted a public video that took me all of five seconds to find..
Hardly "vilifying" him.

And there are a bunch more where that came from.

You however have convicted his wife of assault on far less evidence.

And *I'm* the pathetic one?

:rofl:
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #46
48. Again, You're Claiming It's Not Possible She Could Assault And Injure Him
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 03:36 PM by Beetwasher
That's your idiotic position. Seriously? Because he plays golf, it's not possible unless he were drunk??

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard, but keep defending that idiocy.

The videos you posted are irrelevant to your idiotic claims that it's not possible she could injure him.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:40 PM
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49. Where did I say it was not possible?
Unlikely is not the same thing as impossible.

Certainly it is *possible* but I don't think it's likely, particularly given Mr Woods' temper, that he would have allowed her to assault him without attempting to defend himself. He misses a shot on a golf course and publicly tosses his club into the crowd, that's not someone with a great deal of emotional control.

Now imagine this same man with someone coming after him with a golf club after a heated argument, he's not going to lose his temper?



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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:54 PM
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50. Well, OK then Dr. Freud!! Are You A Man Who Has Ever Been Assaulted By A Woman?
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 04:00 PM by Beetwasher
Have you ever been in a position of having to defend yourself from a woman who was assaulting you?

I have been in that position, and rather than defending myself or fighting back I ran away rather than do anything that in any way could be construed as ME assaulting HER. In that situation, it's the smart thing to do considering that our society would probably automatically give HER the benefit of the doubt in such a situation, especially if there are no witnesses (And I would make the argument that women probably DO deserve the benefit of the doubt in such situations).

Now, if you want to argue Tiger would not have been able to control himself, well, Dr. Freud, you can do that, but you don't know that just because you found some stupid videos. But it looks to me like he was doing the smart thing and running away after being assaulted. You obviously want to pre-emptively villify him and excuse her possible assault.

As to what you said, there were no qualifiers, it was pretty matter of fact:

"If she beat him up he was already wasted to start with to the point he couldn't defend himself even passively."

No probably. No possibly. You apparently already know that that is the only way it could happen. And that is just plain fucking stupid.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. Yes I have..
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 04:09 PM by Fumesucker
I let her hit me, she was unlikely to hurt me severely and it defused her anger. The make up sex was outfuckingstanding.

Was Mr Woods tossing that club into the crowd a "smart thing to do"?

Clearly he doesn't do the "smart thing" when he has lost his temper.

Edited to add: And here was what I was replying to.. She Beat The Shit Out Of Him And Came After Him W/ The Golf Club

You are at least as guilty of the same thing you are accusing me of doing.


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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #52
54. So You're Willing To Let Yourself Be Abused For Good Sex
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 04:08 PM by Beetwasher
Bully for you! Some people are into that. Cool.

Now add a golf club to the mix. Maybe you're into that sort of thing. Me, I'm heading for the door.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #54
55. It's not abuse if it doesn't hurt..
And it didn't really hurt. My wife was built a lot like Elin and didn't have the physical strength to seriously hurt me, I was 200 lb muscled construction worker/ ex Marine, she was a tall 115 lb model.

How was I to know there was going to be makeup sex after, eh?

I've been in just that situation, that's why I think her beating his ass is ludicrous, unless he was already impaired somehow, which I admit could have been true but in which case he is guilty of DUI.

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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #55
58. Only You Can Decide What's Abuse For You, Tough Guy
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 04:28 PM by Beetwasher
But for many other people, abuse doesn't necessarily even have to be physical.

That's what I mean when I say you have no concept of what constitutes abuse. You really don't know what you're talking about. Just because YOU let your wife beat on you, doesn't mean it's correct behavior for anyone else.

Long fingernails can easily scratch out an eye and gouge skin and the person doing it can be 90 pounds and injure someone who weighs 300. If someone punches you and it doesn't really hurt, it's still an assault if you're not a willing participant. Period. And if it catches you by surprise you may not be able to defend yourself. And you may find yourself running away rather than fight back or be put in a positon of possibly hurting a woman by defending yourself, or being accused of assaulting HER. I would say running is the smart option.

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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #58
60. You have already convicted the woman and you know not.one.fucking.thing..
Frankly your know it all attitude is what set me off in the first place, I'd have never gotten involved in this back and forth without your input first.

She Beat The Shit Out Of Him And Came After Him W/ The Golf Club

Eh, after you've been in the Marines and worked construction for a while there isn't much that qualifies as "abuse".

Fuck, working offshore the entire point of a lot of people's whole day was to get under someone's skin, get a reaction.

Same way in the Crotch, a great deal of what a lot of people would call abuse. There are no "Gomer Pyles" in the Marines, anyone who can't hack it gets unmerciful and continuous harassment, A Few Good Men may have been fiction but it was definitely based on reality.



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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #60
62. LOL! Whatever You Say, Tough Guy!
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 04:48 PM by Beetwasher
"Eh, after you've been in the Marines and worked construction for a while there isn't much that qualifies as "abuse"."

:rofl: Ooooo!!! Tough guy!

"Frankly your know it all attitude is what set me off in the first place..."

I certainly know when someone is full of shit.

So, it's not abuse for you, therefore it's not abuse for anyone! Got it! :eyes:

I've convicted no one, just commenting on the story and how it appears to me. Did I get under your skin?

"Fuck, working offshore the entire point of a lot of people's whole day was to get under someone's skin, get a reaction."

:rofl:

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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #62
63. Somehow You Remind Me Of Someone...
I can't quite put my finger on it but...

Thank Gawd It Passed..
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #63
64. Well, You Can Call Me "Yer Majesty"
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 05:06 PM by Beetwasher
Since I'm the Queen of England.

If you got a problem, get me tombstoned, tough guy.
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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #34
69. Do you mean you respectfully disagree?...
...I'm just reading the thread, and your language toward a fellow DU'er is out of line and unnecessary.

Clean it up!
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #69
70. No
I say what I fucking mean and I mean what I fucking say. Ignore me if your virgin ears can't handle it.
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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #70
106. My comment had nothing to do with my ears, which can handle it just fine...

I just thought you could converse with a fellow DU'er, with a bit more respect. And btw,I have never had any use for the "ignore" feature.

cheers!

Jon
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 01:31 PM
Response to Original message
20. That's a big vehicle. I can see why he characterized her efforts as
courageous and not heroic.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 02:30 PM
Response to Original message
30. Check this out...
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 02:33 PM by Froward69


specifically the R-front tire... it spun in the dirt...after the impact with the tree.

I think Tiger was attempting to escape W/ her in hot pursuit with the golf club. she hits tiger in the face, he gets in and starts off she hits the separator between the D side front and rear doors. then hits the window breaking it distracting Tiger and he hits the tree spinning the tire.

on edit/ and that tire is turned wards the tree (or twards the right) Hard like he was turning away from her hitting the drivers side.

the wife should be in jail for battery and Domestic Violence.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #30
35. The tire could easily have been turned by the other wheel hitting the tree..
And the distance of the skid mark in the grass is about how far I would guess the car moved after hitting the tree after looking at the damage to the other side.

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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #35
85. far more likely it turned that way from the tree impact...


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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #30
37. The accelerator pedal was caught under the floor mat
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #37
41. That only happens with Toyotas..
This was a Bui..err. Cadillac..
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:18 PM
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45. And if the car hit the tree on the passenger side
His head would have gone back... and to the left. Back... and to the left.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:33 PM
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47. No, when the car stopped, his head would have continued in the direction it was already traveling..
Newton's first law of motion..

Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it.

So unless Mr Woods was backing up when he hit the tree, his head would have moved forward in the vehicle.

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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #47
51. I'm pretty sure Canuckistan is riffing on the Kennedy assassination
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #51
53. Yeah, you're probably right..
I've just seen a fair bit of less than sagaciously astute analysis on this thread already.

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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #53
66. Just getting tired of all the "conspiracies"
If there's no information on a subject, a DUer will surely fill in his/her own facts - and declare the authorities are lying.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #66
73. I just wish I could believe the authorities on a regular basis..
We know the WMDs are in Bahgdad and Tikrit, and east, south, north and west of there.

Or something like that anyway.

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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 05:23 AM
Response to Reply #66
100. But there is information...too much information that may or may not be true.
Just the fact that the police refuse to give up tells me they have enough to question the story. This won't stay quiet forever, it should be easy enough to figure out a few things based on the crash, the medical reports, and possibly the security cameras.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 03:02 AM
Response to Reply #51
97. The Kennedy assassination? I thought he was riffing on the Hernandez Spitting incident
:)
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TicketyBoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #51
104. Well, it's ABOUT TIME
someone got around to that! :rofl:
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TicketyBoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #104
105. What about the grassy knoll?
Pretty sure that must've played into it!
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 03:02 AM
Response to Reply #45
98. lol n/t
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:24 PM
Response to Original message
56. when i want to unlock my car, i just use my key, why didn't elin do that?
the rich are different from you and i, they have only ONE key for their vehicle? or they have so much $$$ to waste that each time they want to open the SUV, they bust it open w. a golf club and then get a new SUV tomorrow?

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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #56
59. I have relatives that only have one key for their vehicle..
I also have relatives that take at least ten minutes to find their one key almost every time they want to use the car..

And I'm completely serious.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #59
80. I only have one key for each of my two vehicles
I actually don't know anyone that is the only person who drives the car to have more than one key though it's a good idea in case you lock the keys in the car. I keep telling myself to go get spare keys made for my cars for such an event but I never get around to it.

Breaking the window to get him out is the smarter thing to do than running all the way back to the house to find a spare key... the car is already extensively damaged anyway and it's hardly any great expense for these very wealthy folk pay for a broken window which would be covered by insurance anyway.

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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:36 AM
Response to Reply #56
86. I can understand why she wouldn't have a key on her
Edited on Tue Dec-01-09 01:42 AM by rocktivity
What I don't understand is why she'd hear the crash and run outside with a golf club. Doesn't it make more sense that she'd heard the crash, ran outside, tried to open the door but couldn't because the the locks were jammed, then run back into the house for something to break the windows with?

:shrug:
rocktivity
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:57 AM
Response to Reply #86
87. I don't understand why she'd need a golf club to get him out at all.
She could have called 911 and they could have opened the door and gotten him out.
As it is, she didn't even call 911, the neighbor did.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:48 AM
Response to Reply #87
94. you're kidding
How likely is it that when she ran outside she had her cellphone on her? Particularly at 2am? How likely would someone be to not try to help their husband when they're bleeding and unconcious locked in their car after getting in a car accident and do nothing but stand there waiting for an ambulance without making any attempt to see if he was even still alive?

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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:41 PM
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61. According to Radar Online, the car is in an unnamed tow yard
The only one under a tarp.



Let the "cover up" begin!

:rofl:
rocktivity
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kayakjohnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #61
72. And look, he even gets a complimentary tarp.
I bet the rest of us would have to pay for one.

Just kidding.

I have nothing against Tiger at all, and I hope he fares well.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 05:57 PM
Response to Original message
67. Woods should be beaten with a glof club...
just for putting those silly ass rims and tires on his vehicle.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #67
74. I don't think those are the ones that keep spinning after the car is stopped..
As a long term motorcyclist I REALLY HATE those fucking things, I watch the wheels on a car to tell what it's about to do and those damn things have caused me to take unnecessary evasive action too many times.

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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 07:01 PM
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78. I think the "spinners" fad has passed.
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 07:01 PM by -..__...
I'm talking about the oversized (18"-21"+), rims and low profile tires.

Sometimes they can look okay on a sports car, but look out of place/ridiculous on a SUV or a luxury vehicle.
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Noseyaboutpollution Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 06:35 PM
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71. Glad he's OK
SUV can be chopped and replaced. Tiger, not so much.

Wonder if my neighbors will get his SUV to chop?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP0PIzs-YVE
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 06:49 PM
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75. Bling Mobile?
why all the bling bling? it looks like something Snoop Dogg would drive, not a pro golfer.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:55 PM
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82. 'Should have punched back into the fairway instead of trying to drive through the trees.'
:rofl: comment on orlando sentinel site.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 05:32 AM
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101. Road head.
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