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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 01:42 AM
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Religious Persecution







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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 01:51 AM
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1. K&R
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 01:52 AM
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2. All too true for too many...
sad; and dangerous.

Actively support Church/State separation.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 01:55 AM
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3. Nail, head..
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 01:58 AM
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4. HAHAHAHA!!!!
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 02:04 AM
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5. LOL.... You used the quote I found and your photo of him
Love it swampy

Now.... will people get the Stephen Wright quote?

Or is Permanent something they need to look up in the dictionary?
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 02:20 AM
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6. Perminant. Something girls do to their hair?
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 02:21 AM by OffWithTheirHeads
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:37 PM
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30. My wife will pay upwards of $130 for a "permanent"
And then tells me she has to go get one again. When I ask her, "didn't you get a PERMANENT?", she'll look at me like I'm crazy. Thinking of suing the hair salon for false advertising!!
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1955doubledie Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:07 AM
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37. My MIL gets a permanent every Saturday
:think:

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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 02:58 AM
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7. K & R - and people think projection isn't real.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:11 PM
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22. Right Wingers accuse liberals of projecting, all the time.
I still say they are the original projectors, and it's a you're rubber, I'm glue response. Their claim that liberals are projecting is pretty unfounded.
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Betty Karlson Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:05 AM
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8. I find it hard to believe
that this cartooned woman and I actually would believe in the same Saviour.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:17 AM
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9. You know what? THAT'S the problem. That's why, even though I know I'm supposed to, I can't
forgive and forget what people like that are doing.

Really, I KNOW I'm supposed to be tolerant as a good Christian; I do try hard and successfully most of the time. But I have noticed with the sort of person described in the cartoon, I return time and again to how much it bothers me. I have noticed that for them it is as though the New Testament never happened. I can't simply be peaceful about it and that puzzles me and you just put your finger on it for me.

If Christianity is about the life of someone we call Jesus, people like those described in the cartoon above don't believe in the same Jesus that I do.

Thanks for the insight. :hi:
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Betty Karlson Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 07:52 PM
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25. Take comfort from knowing
that even in our encounters with this type of human being, Jesus shares our experience, as did his disciples.

Their general advice seems to be to "pray for those who curse you", and to say: "Forgive them, Father, for they don't know what they are doing."

I pray they indeed don't know what they are doing. If they do, may God forgive them for taking His name in vain.

B.K.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:39 AM
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40. Jesus was, as far as I recall, confronting conservative elders . . . fighting for equality for all .
If that's not part of the church you're in, should you be supporting it -- or moving on?

Some say the only real prayer is a prayer for wisdom!

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1955doubledie Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:11 AM
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38. They DON'T believe in the same Jesus as you do, 'cuz you're WRONG
THIS is the REAL Jesus, you heretic!

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mr blur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:07 AM
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10. Same old story -
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:15 PM
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23. Similar post from a couple of years ago...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=214&topic_id=120907

My copy of BMUS' post, with updated photo links, in case the hotlinks in the original thread don't load.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2448677&mesg_id=2448791

It's as relevant now as it was then.

Sid
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dye Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:58 PM
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27. perfect
Great picture!
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gleaner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:13 AM
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11. I think that has it nailed N/T
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 07:51 AM
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12. K&R
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:15 PM
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13. A very big KICK and Recommend!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:26 PM
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14. Beauty!
Recommended!
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:27 PM
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15. K&R
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:29 PM
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16. That's a good one.

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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:31 PM
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17. Precise
:thumbsup:

same approach is often applied to the 'defense' of other belief systems as well
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 12:34 PM
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18. K&R
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 02:59 PM
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19. .
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:05 PM
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20. Perfect! n/t
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:07 PM
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21. Hah hah! Boy, ain't that the truth!
:rofl:
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Laura902 Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:47 PM
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24. Exactly
this exactly the delusional thinking of many Americans, alas I may as well move to a country where the conservatives aren't ranting hypocrites
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shadesofgray Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 07:57 PM
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26. K&R.
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SkyIsGrey Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:18 PM
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28. That is the thing with religions,
making humans into hypocrites the world over.

I don't need to think because "God(s)" will do it for me; my belief system is the only true one, the only one that should be taught and all others should be suppressed or eliminated; if you dare try to ask me to keep this to myself, or dare to point out to me the wrong headed nature of this , you are evil and trying to suppress or destroy my beliefs.

Circular logic is definitely not a new concept to people like this; though they could never understand it.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:25 PM
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29. K&R!!!
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ChazInAz Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:43 PM
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31. That cartoon person reminds me.
Didn't someone or other once say something apropos, concerning eyes, splinters and logs? That same oddball fellow told his eager followers that if no-one wanted to hear his message, that his apostles should just leave them.
Wonder why they don't do that?
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:02 PM
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32. Behaving like a caught bully
The control freak christian fundie asshole wants to make everyone else do what they want,yet when caught by their own hypocritical bullshit they whine about how persecuted they are.
Bullies do that,abusers do that,narcissists and sociopaths do it too.Makes you wonder if religion for fundies is an excuse a cover to get away with being an asshole control freak bully.

Nothing is too sacred to be questioned,criticized or doubted.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:05 PM
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33. K&R
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:19 PM
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34. K&R!
:kick:
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:20 PM
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35. That is right on!!
I hate Christian whiners.
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The_Commonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:34 PM
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36. Sounds about right!
Hey, isn't is about time for the War on Christmas?
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jotsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:34 AM
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39. I favor the study of faith and as such am free of the confines of religious doctrine,
so I can't really say what it is to be a true christian. It doesn't seem like all this exclusion and singular view correctness is what a deserving deity would deem a reflection of a higher being. But I'm just a simple idealist who may engage in a lot of speculation and conjecture and try my best not to judge or conclude. I try not to lie, cheat or steal, as a good night's sleep is tough enough to get.

I guess what I don't understand is how the modern christian movement can find fault with all these things, yet have no complaints for the viability robbing tag team of an oppressive corporatocracy and a compliant congress. I struggle daily with the idea that my country is paying people to shed innocent blood half a world away, but this doesn't seem to register on their list of agenda items.

As someone who is brought up to believe in truth and justice, I'd settle these days for finding the tiniest bit of justice in what little truth is out in the open.
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greengestalt Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:40 AM
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41. They don't "Own" God or J.C.
Really, the Nucking Futz Fundies, the "Religious Right" the self-called "Conservatives" need to suffer for the damage they've done and the decades of mud slinging and hate spewing. They deserve to suffer. And in a way that they'd wish meant some kind of physical assault or "NWO persecution".


And what needs to be done is to take God and Jesus away from them.


They like their attitude that somehow they are "at least Good Christians" and to imply that God and J.C. are on their side. They imply that being in the "Right" church is the only way to go to Heaven, and that long and short means slavery to them or being part of their community. Some I've encountered even relish the realization that their way of preaching drives more people away, by far, than it saves. Many buy the Calvinist 144,000 line that even if the whole world got up one day and converted to the "Right" faith only that many would be accepted, but "Works" and "how good a person" come after "Faith" and they'd be on the short end of the stick, so they want to chase people away.


Notice how any church with some considerable funds sends "Missionary" work all over the planet? They aren't trying to "Save" anyone except themselves. Do they really believe that they can go to "Boonga Koonga" hand someone a Chick Tract and have him run and scream against his society in a way that'll get him murdered, or is that their real aim? They don't want to save him, unless he's a subservient "Uncle Tom" non-white. They want him to be damned forever to tortures eternal in Hell. They want to shove the "Gospel" in his face in an arrogant, offensive way to hope he spits it out and curses then and God. Then, in their mad, twisted minds when he dies in his sins and comes before the throne of God, he has no chance for he has heard 'the truth' and rejected it.

But there's more: They are trying to end the world. I cite the "Left Behind" nonsense which even if they distance themselves from it, it is only because it "Vulgarizes" it, that is makes it understandable to the layman and non-believer. There are several prophecies which trigger the "Rapture" where they don't have to die and just get zipped up to Heaven like that, leaving piles of clothes and planes without pilots, cars without drivers on the interstate, etc.

The first is that the Rapture will occur between the re-creation and destruction of the modern state of Israel. A lot of the grandfathers of the modern "Religious Right" fought tooth and nail behind the scenes in politics to help create Israel. Perhaps that's cause it's where the mess started, but more likely it's because it's smack dab in the middle of enemies who'll kill 'em all sooner or later.

The second is when the last person hears the "Gospel", gets handed a "Chick Tract", whatever, and accepts/rejects the religion. Either or, instant Rapture city.


They want to end the world by letting Israel behave horribly and knowing sooner or later the USA will be unwilling or unable to keep funding it and threatening to nuke anyone who brings a real army in to crush it. They want to end the world by running through jungles and decrepit regions of the earth and ensuring the damnation of people who probably just think them (rightly) nutbags.


But, it won't happen. The revelation of St John is a hallucinogenic mushroom inspired revenge fantasy against the Emperor Nero. It was a "Gnostic" text meant to be allegorical (see next paragraph) not literal. It was almost redered "Apocrypha" if not outright trashed by the Council of Nicaea, except they'd already pushed aside so many texts due to political reasons the whole thing was about to dissolve in fighting. Revelations was a dusty scroll that had sat on a shelf for a century, it had no competing "Cult/Creed" based around it.


BUT- They do NOT own God and Jesus.
Evangelical homes are full of broken marriages, violence, disrupted families and their 'faith' does nothing to help them. They have less open gays and more suicides of gay teenagers, things like that, but nothing helps them. Then they have one minister after another who is found "With Sin" not that he hesitated to "Cast the first stone". Like that Ted Fa- excuse me Haggard fellow, "By their FRUIT ye shall KNOW them!" They supported politicians who gave them pandering speeches, but belonged to secret societies so sinister the stuff about them started where it ended for the Masons.


It's like Ghandi said: "I like your Christ. I dislike your Christians, they are so unlike your Christ."


God is beyond them, beyond everything. They just set up a petty religion to think themselves superior, but then went right back to behaving as bad as any "Pagan" their blood libel liked to name. They've done too much damage with their arrogance, the last few decades alone.


And they need to be truly punished.


There's a "Paradigm" shift coming with the ending of this decade, though such changes take place shortly after. In this case, 2012 marks the end and beginning time. We'll have the whole country and world swing "Progressive" as a reaction against this last decade. Anyone who fondly remembers the "New Age" stuff of the 90s and (I'm envious) the early "Age of Aquarius" stuff (Feb 14 this year, btw, at least according to that song-one good thing.) be aware another wave is coming and it's time to catch it and the more 'surfers' the better.


But this time, let's go for the "Good Christian's" hearts. Last time, we went to go "Multicultural" to embrace "other paths" etc. and we don't have to reject that.


This time, though, "All paths lead to the Ultimate". Call him God, Allah, The Great Spirit, Brahma, etc. The ultimate God is above all and everything, he is "Increate" that is never created by always existed. And he's sent messangers, prophets, incarnated himself so Jesus is indeed a figure not to deny. The Muslims accept Jesus, so do the Mormons. The American Indians accepted Jesus, even though the other followers of him murdered them. The Hindus added him to the list of Gods. Bhuddists don't deny or have to deny him.


What is needed to be done is to set up a system where God and Jesus are allowed into people's hearts but without the "Religion" and "Spiritual Blackmail" surrounding it. The age of prophets ended, the age of priests ended. There are to be no more "Officers of the Rituals" no more "Anointed Intermediaries" only at best "Visionaries" that try to steer man towards God and as the Prophet Mohammed said; "Take one step towards God and he takes a thousand towards you."


I have no fear of this path, and it isn't even 'revenge' against the nuck futz fundies, as it is a way of doing a good thing.


Note that he forgave Pilate the Roman governor set up to kill him, he forgave his own people for rejecting him, he forgave the Romans for doing the dirty work, he promised a thief and a murderer a place with him and he forgave all mankind -but- the one group that got "Payback" were the Pharisees, the Jewish leadership who condemned him for fear and jealousy. What happened is that an earthquake shattered the temple and the "Holy of Holies" was made plain to see. In short-from that day forward there would be no intermediary between God and Man, and if "The Jews" were ever god's chosen people, that time had ended.


You might watch the movie "Zeitgeist" on Google Vid, spec. the first 1/3 "The Greatest Story ever Sold". That has a lot of good stuff to research more on and use. Jesus is an "Old School New age Guru". He'd be the prophet "Into this new age and into the next" meaning Pisces to and into Aquarius!


They are geared up for "Spiritual Warfare" but only against an opposing force, like (hahah) "Harry Potter" books or easy subjects of hate and blood libel, like "Islamic Terrorists" even though without it they'd be just as for "Stoning adulterers" also.


A wave of "New Agers" who instead of trying to get them to worship other deities or do "Majick" is telling them to "Seek God, but you don't need that old, repressive church and all its lies" -that will make them turn white. The "B-Bu--But I am the anointed one's Sandal Licker! You must follow him as proscribed by ME and Tithe me your ten percent..." argument will fall flat. And we won't get 10 percent, maybe we'll get some online donations, sell a book or two, maybe a music album, but no "Tithe your 10 percent to us". We are here to free, not to enslave. We are here to educate, not steal sheep to create our own flock. Jesus came not to overturn the laws (such as sheep going from one flock to another) but he came to fulfill them. (the sheep can mind themselves)
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:41 AM
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42. Love it!
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:41 AM
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43. Recommend
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:51 AM
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44. that hits it on the head.
right on the head.
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