If you support escalation in ANY ONE of our wars, then you need to be ready to go or send your kids

[Stinky The Clown]

Flame away.


edit to change "is" to "in" in the thread title

[Jakes Progress]

1. To do otherwise is simply hypocrisy.

Not only should you be ready to go, you should support a universal draft.

[tekisui]

2. And, pay the war tax.

[EFerrari]

4. And volunteer at the VA. n/t

[ZombieHorde]

3. And give me $20. nt

[noamnety]

5. No flames here.

I have the same opinion of people send others to war from the comfort of their chairs regardless of their party affiliation.

[Odin2005]

6. I have a cousin deployed in Iraq. He has a pregnant wife and a 1yo boy.

[Stinky The Clown]

8. He shouldn't be there because ....

...... WE‡ shouldn't be there.

‡WE = the figurative "we the people".

[mullard12ax7]

15. It was a nephew the other day

Cousin, nephew: what's the diff? LOL, they're proud cannon fodder.

[AwakeAtLast]

7. Or if you have no kids, help support the families of deployed soldiers

Every little bit helps.

Thanks Stinky!

[Jakes Progress]

9. Best form of help is to bring them home. nt

[AwakeAtLast]

17. This is true, but I was adding to Stinky's sentiment.

His statement is directed to those who support escalation. The last thing they want is to face the collateral damage.

[Jakes Progress]

25. We are in agreement. nt

[mullard12ax7]

16. What do they need, ropes to drag bloodied, dog-attacked and raped kids around?

Or get-out-of-jail-free cards after mowing down a few hundred civilians?

[AwakeAtLast]

19. WTF are you talking about?

:wtf:

[Horse with no Name]

10. Amen. Let MY family come home

They are tired and they are ready.
My brother is currently serving his 5th tour and this time--deployed directly from Iraq to Afghanistan without even coming stateside.
How many MORE tours do you expect him to serve?
My family is against the war.
We do NOT support escalation.
It's time to pony up--you support--send YOUR family members to the front lines. Mine are tired and worn out.

[Duende azul]

14. Oh, wish you all the best.

[Jakes Progress]

26. If republican kids were subject to a draft,

your family would be together by Christmas.

End the wars or enact a national draft.

[SammyWinstonJack]

36. Five tours? That's just wrong!

x(

[Horse with no Name]

38. Yep it is.

He isn't the only one--multiply that many times over.
War fatigue.
It won't be good for the country when these soldiers get back stateside.

[StarfarerBill]

11. And pay to care for them if they come home wounded.

No more whining about taxes and deficits.

[Individualist]

12. All the chicken hawks should enlist.

[AwakeAtLast]

20. And then *POOF* all of a sudden we don't need to invade anyone anymore!

:D

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. We had a talk with bro

lets just say that when hubby asked which of his two daughters he was willing to sacrifice, that killed that talk.

Problem is he's not dumb, but some people do buy the fear kool aid...

And he cannot tell us a thing. Hubby is a vet of the current insanity and when he looked at me I just told him a few of my war stories. We have very little tolerance for the BS but that is why we need a draft

Go ahead flame away. But it is damn easy to support it when it is others doing the killing and the dying.

[eleny]

27. Amen about the draft

A dazzling light would dawn over many heads.

[Duende azul]

18. Only if the kids themselves approve of the wars.

Otherwise may those parents go.

[Duende azul]

21. Will DU have a problem if the wars drag on?

Remember how it was a frequent demand here for the bush daughters to enlist?

What if Obama's daughters reach that age before war is over?
(I don't want them over there - as I don't want to see anyones children there.)

[eleny]

22. My thoughts, exactly

Posted them the other day.

Btw, see my sig line. I have no intention of going along with what I know will mean pure hell for America. This reminds me too much of the rhetoric of the Vietnam era.

[Stinky The Clown]

29. I love your sig line

I can think of more than a few who ought to read and heed.

[rhett o rick]

23. And be ready to pay in higher taxes immediately, not dump the cost on your children. nt

[TexasObserver]

24. Agreed.

[ShortnFiery]

28. +1

:thumbsup:

[cliffordu]

30. I volunteered myself when I was 17. Does that count???

I mean as long as we're drawing fake lines in the sand and shit.

Fuck me. I just realized I was home before I was 19.

[Stinky The Clown]

31. I did too ..... also in my early youth.

I had a deferment. But back then I saw it as my duty to go serve cuz I believed all the bullshit about why Johnson had us over there.

Nobody today stays only a year like you did.

You seem to support this war. You okay with it?

[cliffordu]

33. Not in the fucking slightest.

But we saw after Vietnam what happened to the people we just abandoned.

That is the ONLY reason I think we should stay: Set it up so there isn't a mass slaughter like there was in VietNam.

I am not stupid enough to believe we can win a guerrilla war against a motivated indigenous population, particularly the Afghans, as they seem to have a talent and taste for it.

We CAN, however limit the damage after we go by helping with the infrastructure and the educational system. And maybe setting up security forces that, although corrupt and violent at least aren't religious psychotics beheading people in a sports stadium.

It's like the house my wife just inherited:

IT cannot be lived in because it is too toxic, It cannot be abandoned because she is responsible for it - So we have a mess we cannot walk away from, as ugly and dangerous as it is.

Looks like a hazmat suit and a wrecking bar.

[druidity33]

40. even if

82% of the population want us to leave? Even though our very presence exacerbates the problem?

If we were there to help stabilize the place, we would never have supported Karzai all this time. We are flooding money and death into there like it has no value whatsoever. Spreading anger, hate and discord. The longer we are there the worse it will get, no matter how many troops we have. Afghanistan is not our responsibility, it never was. They didn't ask us to come there, but they've asked us to leave many times.

We should be leaving the country and apologizing to these people for fucking it up as much as we did.


I respect your service sir and your opinion, but i cannot disagree more with the latter of those.

:shrug:

[azul]

32. Better yet, send the grandparents.

Might help to save the broken healthcare thing too.

Or maybe best, draft the kids of families making over a million dollars a year. The ones that profit most from this war economy should be doing the most sacrificing.

[mod mom]

34. No flame here, I say absolutely!

[pleah]

35. I agree. n/t

[WeDidIt]

37. Already served, too old to re-up, and I have no children.

I still support increasing troop strength in Afghanistan and fuck anybody who tells me I don't have a right to support it.

[Stinky The Clown]

39. You over 60?

Cuz they have people that old serving over there.

But you get a pass.

I strongly disagree with you.

But you get a pass form me.

[lib_wit_it]

41. Seems we great minds think alike: ; )

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6975565

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

42. I don't even want misguided Hawks to sacrifice their lives for the US' Corporate wars. nt

[Mari333]

43. absolutely!!

either enlist, send your own kids, or shut your piehole.

[a la izquierda]

44. I don't support stupid ass, misguided...

romper-stomper engagements around the planet. And I'm a historian, so I'll be goddamned if anyone's about to tell me I don't understand the history of what's at stake. I do. We royally fucked it up the first time we're never going to win because we NEVER pay fucking attention to the histories of countries we invade. Never.
So, instead of listening to this disaster of a lecture tonight, I'm going to watch Merry Christmas Charlie Brown, and have a beer.
I'm having a root canal tomorrow, which should be delightful.

[ItNerd4life]

45. Send your kids? We have kids fighting our wars now?

I thought they were adults.

[chimpymustgo]

46. Thank you!

[cali]

47. this is a silly argument.

and yeah, I'm firmly opposed to both wars. For one thing, parents can't send their adult children off to war. They don't frickin' own them.