Latest right wing email: Can a good Muslim be a real American?

[OneGrassRoot]

I know many dislike it when right-wing talking points and emails are posted here, as it's like spreading the BS, but I like being aware of what they're spewing and feel others may as well.

First thing tomorrow, I'm going to respond to this. Of course, most of the right wingers consider themselves Christian -- with a loyalty to their God over all else -- so, much of what they say here can be turned on themselves, using the text of their sacred book. Unfortunately, I don't know nearly as much about the Koran or the Muslim faith as I'd like to in order to respond most intelligently, with facts. Still, I know I can make my point without that in-depth knowledge. Most won't listen though. Facts mean so little to them; in fact, facts are the devil. lol (on edit: everything below is copied and pasted from email)



This is an excellent explanation of the insidious nature of Islam in America.

Can a good Muslim be a real American?


In light of the murders at Ft. Hood by a Muslim officer (who had
sworn to defend the people, our Constitution and the United States)
this article becomes more timely and real than ever;

Can a good Muslim be a good American?

I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20
years. The following is his reply:


Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god
of Arabia.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah
except Islam.


Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of
Islam and the Quran (Koran).

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he
turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make
friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual
leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of
America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and
beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him.

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American
Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he
believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not
allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot
coexist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God,"
the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER
referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The
Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be
very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously
cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans.

Call it what you wish....it's still the truth.
If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above
statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more
who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our
future.



"The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other
people's money."**

Margaret Thatcher**

[get the red out]

1. Can a Republican be a decent HUMAN BEING?

With the endorsement of war, the desire to have health care as a privilege rather than a right, the need to destroy the middle class by any means possible to uphold the power of their corporate masters, I must ask if a Republican can even be a decent human being?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

25. I don't think so. I don't think anyone Republican can be deep down inside a good person

When push comes to shove, they'll turn into a nice little nazi at the drop of a hat.

[Angry Dragon]

2. Was there a signature that went with this email??

[OneGrassRoot]

13. No, this one wasn't attributed to any particular person...

as so many of the bogus ones are. As I said, I copied and pasted the entirety of it, including the odd ending using Thatcher's socialism quote.

:eyes:

[Raineyb]

3. Considering that some actually tried to argue about the "exotic" nature of

being Muslim in America on this board this e-mail doesn't surprise me in the least.

[Warren DeMontague]

4. Can anyone who forwards stupid emails have an IQ over 70?

No.

Aside from the flat-out dumbassery of this particular one, every single stupid motherfucking email that contains the words "forward this" or "share this" is a completely useless waste of electrons.

It's the kind of shit someone's mom forwards because she's 70 and still fascinated by this internet thingy.

[OneGrassRoot]

14. LOL!

"It's the kind of shit someone's mom forwards because she's 70 and still fascinated by this internet thingy."

That's so true!!! Most of these viral emails that come across my screen are sent by senior citizens -- the VAST majority are. I asked why the hell they pass so much shit around and they said they have nothing else to do.

Most of them don't even read it. They see one key "dog whistle" word and they forward it.

[spoony]

5. How fitting that such a poop cake would be topped

(or bottomed, in this case) with a Margaret Thatcher quote!

[WeDidIt]

6. Base fervent religious bigotry is an ugly thing

Vile examples of human arrogance and stupidity such as this email must be exposed to the light for all to see.

[Better Today]

7. The thing they forget to ask themselves is whether a good Christian can be

a good American.

[BolivarianHero]

8. rofl...What a stupid phile of dung...

"Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god
of Arabia."

Taken straight from Pat Robertson's propaganda. "Allah" is an Arabic word which translates as "The One true God", and Arabic-speaking Christians also refer to their deity by this name. Allah was a moon deity in pre-Islamic tribal religions followed by some Arabs, but this etymology is meaningless given that an overwhelming number of Muslims are not Arabs.

"Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah
except Islam."

This statement doesn't even make sense. Patriotism and nationalism are not religions, and the form "his Allah" is grammatically incorrect nonsense in both English and Arabic.

"Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of
Islam and the Quran (Koran)."

If that's the case, why is there more than one Islamic country and more than one country that is overwhelmingly Arab. Hell, for his statement to make sense, there would have to be no Islamic countries at all.

"Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he
turns in prayer five times a day."

Muslims do not worship the city of Mecca. Facing Mecca is merely an act that is part of Islamic prayer rituals.

"Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make
friends with Christians or Jews."

How many Muslims does this person actually know? I interact with Muslims on a regular basis at both work and school...A few are friends of mine, and virtually all of them that I know have non-Muslim friends.

"Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual
leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of
America, the great Satan."

Islam = The propaganda of radical hate preachers. By this logic, a Buddhist can't be a good Japanese because of that Buddhist cult that poisoned a bunch of people on a Japanese subway.

"Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and
beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him."

Fundamentalist LDSers vote Republican too, loser. Besides, no man is instructed to marry more than one woman in Islam. He is allowed to do so as long as he is able to support all of his wives equally. There were a sizable number of widows and orphans in Mohammed's time and no welfare state to help support them, so the reasons why this was ever allowed in Islam are largely non-existent anyways.

"Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American
Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he
believes the Bible to be corrupt."

Muslims do not believe the Bible to be corrupt. They simply see it as incomplete.

"Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not
allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot
coexist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic."

And how is this different from a literal interpretation of the Bible? Mosaic Law and the Kingdom of Israel did not have room for these things either.

"Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God,
the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER
referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The
Quran's 99 excellent names."

A document that was written by a Christian socialist and subsequently had the words "under God" added by an EVUL CATHELICK TRIAOTOR WHOO WORISPZ TEH ROOMAN ANTEKRIST (:sarcasm:, though McCarthy was undeniably an evil man) is not relevant to one's status as either a good Muslim or a good American.




"The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other
people's money."**

Margaret Thatcher**

And we come to the rotten cherry on to of this shit sundae...A left-bashing quote from a foul woman who will soon die of dementia (yay).

Wow...Like I can't quote non-sequiturs from right-wing demagogues who relied on vote-splitting rather than genuine popularity to win elections. Thatcher was less popular than Goldwater...Her opponents could just not agree on the alternative, and Britain's shitty electoral system made them pay the price.

[OneGrassRoot]

15. Thank you. This is the gist of how I plan to respond...

but you added some extra brilliance for me to include.

:hi:

[BolivarianHero]

27. It's something I need to know a bit about...

If I'm willing to simultaneously attack political Islam from the left and argue against Islamophobia in the West, I need to know what I'm talking about. Incidentally, I just found out that Arabic-speaking Jews also refer to God as Allah...I was surprised, as I thought Jews were forbidden from speaking the Lord's name.

[NutmegYankee]

17. Bigger issue - The Constitution is not based on biblical principles.

Where the hell does that come from? Romans 13:1-7 baby!

[Odin2005]

9. That's disgusting.

:puke:

[tridim]

10. Yes. Next question?

Fucking idiots

[lob1]

11. They spread that kind of crap about JFK when he ran for president.

They just substituted catholic for muslim.

[Blue_Tires]

12. "Latest??!?!" I was getting this in my e-mail box 2 weeks after 9-11

exact same e-mail, except it mentions 9-11 in the opening and not Ft. Hood...

[OneGrassRoot]

16. I was wondering about that!!!!

I went to snopes to see if it was there but couldn't find it. So many of their viral emails are rehashed bullshit based on what they view to be the atrocity of the moment.

Thanks for that. Good to know. This is the first I've seen this particular piece of garbage.

[Mz Pip]

18. This is a remake

of an old email that is attributed to Rev Rod Parsley who is a raving lunatic rwer. It's been going around for years.

someone wrote a good comeback to it and I'll try to find it in the archives - Can a Christian be a good American?

Google Rev Parsley. The guy is a crackpot.

[OneGrassRoot]

19. Thank you for the info. :)

I'm reading now.

Oh, the reply to this viral email is going to be soooooooo much fun. :)

This is the first Google hit:

http://alligatorreport.wordpress.com/2008/03/16/the-united-states-is-a-christian-nation-true-or-false-mccain-and-parsley-have-it-wrong/

[jkshaw]

26. It was going around, too, about the Roman Catholic church,

particularly virulent during the Kennedy era. Now the Catholic bishops are throwing their weight around about pro-choice and gays reviving that mess again. The bishops don't have the brains they were born with.

[Vinnie From Indy]

20. There needs to be a Museum of Stupid for items like this!

It is almost impossible to know where to start with the idiocy, ignorance, racism and hate included in this email.

[Orsino]

21. The old "moon god" bullshit...

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0042/0042_01.asp

[brewens]

22. I'm no expert on religion but you could list beliefs and practices of early

Christians, Mormons, Catholics or whatever, and claim those would make them ineligible to be Americans.
All those religions have discontinued early barbaric beliefs and practices. We have had a bunch in our country bring back torture as an acceptable part of their faith. Hopefully we have done away with it again.

[Bitwit1234]

23. SO can the guy that killed the abortion doctor be a good American

Can the guy who blew up the Atlanta Olympics be a good American. Only two example of right wing nutso. So only if a person is another ethnic group and kills can he not be a real American..republican reasoning!!!!

[muntrv]

24. Based on the murder of Dr. Tiller and the based on the Holocaust Museum shooter,

perhaps we should be suspicious of all reich wingers in this country.