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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 02:25 PM Original message |
The world's most prosperous (and happiest) countries are also its least religious... |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
1. Living without Irish Catholic guilt is an amazing experience |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Living without religion |
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mwb970 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 07:07 AM Response to Reply #3 |
106. For me, it's like sports. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
85. Yeah that's bad stuff |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
2. Glad to see it in print, but not surprised at all. n/t |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
4. State enforced Atheism would make everyone happy then. |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. just because you liek mudkips |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #10 |
36. The implied argument was that being atheist makes you happy |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. Neat how no one's accusing you of starting Inquisition II |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #36 |
87. Being happy makes you an atheist.. |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #87 |
117. You've Never Known any Happy Religious People? |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #117 |
131. I was responding to someone who said this: |
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hyphenate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 08:09 PM Response to Reply #117 |
132. Yeah, I have! |
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dalaigh lllama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 10:52 PM Response to Reply #36 |
89. non-religious does not equal atheist -- that's faulty logic |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 02:17 AM Response to Reply #89 |
91. and EVERY religious person IS an atheist |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. How could a state enforce atheism? |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #12 |
43. It would be pretty easy actually. 3 steps: |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. My guess is this would lead to a civil war, and theists have the numbers. |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #43 |
124. this happened in the USSR |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. And state enforced religion would make everyone miserable.. |
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movonne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Maybe not everyone but it would me.... |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. it doesn't need to be state enforced- all you really need is a quality educational system... |
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mamaleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. We have a pretty good education system. Not great, but pretty good. So do you mean |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. i'm saying that education is the enemy of religion. |
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mamaleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:17 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. There are many people who are educated and are theists and many |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. i didn't say it was 100%, ... |
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mamaleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:36 PM Original message |
Again |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
40. Because so many people who are religious try to get their religious precepts enshrined.. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
41. educate and wait. |
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mamaleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. I guess I really do not believe that people who are religious are miserable and that atheists are |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. That isn't what the study says.. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. what he said... |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #29 |
58. Education versus schooling. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. In other words, you decide what "real" education is. Neat. nt |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Do you actually argue points or are you stuck putting |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. You're trying, hard, to delineate between education and schooling |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. "religious people clearly couldn't have been properly 'educated.'" |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. That actually was a different poster, mea culpa |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Accepted and thank you. That was very gracious. Perhaps more than I deserved. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Hence the destruction of the educational system in the USA.. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. yep. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #20 |
73. Amazingly, your claim has logic on its side and yet no basis in reality. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. most of that historical educating was done through religious institutions... |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. I can't say that that was my experience. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 06:24 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. how was it not your experience...? |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
88. The man of the day today |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #4 |
116. No, those countries are happy exactly because the atheism is NOT state enforced. It comes naturally |
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bik0 (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 08:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
134. Evolution teaches us that there is no purpose to life |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
5. not surprised in the least--the abrahamic religions don't do much for fostering joy. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
6. Evolutionary Psychology is pseudoscience. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Depends on how the research is conducted. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. pseudoscience examining mythology. Your point? |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. The sci-fi channel does that better and is more entertaining. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Don't forget V, Firefly, Farscape, Star Trek, Babylon 5, etc. |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
13. Eureka! Correlation between religion and a safety net |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. +1 |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Or, "Religion is the opiate of the masses." |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:03 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. “Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest”. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Agree completely. |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 02:21 AM Response to Reply #18 |
92. Never heard that quote before |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. but to be fair- that statement was mad before televisio had been invented. |
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mamaleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Or their video games. Or the internet (where we know every opinion is really fact) |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. And other folks are far too invested in giving religions a pass on their |
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mamaleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Yes ever Presidential candidate does that. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #31 |
52. Bully for you. It does bother many of the rest of us. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. Television and the internet claim to be revealed truth? |
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mamaleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. They certainly have numbed peoples minds. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Not quite the same thing as claiming to be revealed truth.. |
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mamaleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Yes but it is an opiate. And one too many ignore. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #37 |
48. Who is "going after" religion? |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #37 |
53. Cool? Or pertinent? I say pertinent. |
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mamaleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Yes, as a Jew, I have *sob* suffered under the tyranny of Christian Presidents. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. Nice attempt to derail by repeating things never stated. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. How can one repeat something never stated? |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. "How can one repeat something never stated?" Precisely. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Before televangelists? |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #26 |
50. Prozac - the new opiate of the masses |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Augmenting the opiate(s) of the masses. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #26 |
61. Thanks for that, Cerridwen.. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #61 |
68. You're welcome. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
38. Media has replaced the church as the opiate of the masses. |
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hyphenate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #16 |
133. The quote that finally captured my attention |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
59. And look where Christianity took off |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #59 |
74. It's important to distinguish religion from a relgious instinct or impulse |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 07:33 AM Response to Reply #13 |
111. !!! |
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pscot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
19. Religion mainly seems to cause people |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
39. That makes perfect sense. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. I would adjust that statement a bit.. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
42. "Similarly suspicious discrepancies exist in International Crime Victims |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:46 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. So you think that in societies with lower religious guilt that women would be less likely to report |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 08:09 PM Response to Reply #51 |
86. No. I I thought the way he couched that statistic of between two and twenty, |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
56. Not surprising ... |
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mamaleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. That;s funny. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 07:29 AM Response to Reply #60 |
110. To the best of my knowledge there is no commonly recognized misspelling of the prophet's name.. |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #60 |
114. Yes. It's all a big conspiracy against you. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
63. lol |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Well, that is *certainly* a random sampling of people there.. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Oops, is that more of the happiness seeping out? |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #66 |
80. Take a look at my posts.. |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 02:32 AM Response to Reply #66 |
94. so an atheist talking about not believing proves they're unhappy |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. You see what you want to see. -nt |
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20score (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
70. K&R |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
75. I have a great idea! Let's start a country where we have seperation of church and state... |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #75 |
121. Separation of Church and State |
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jmondine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
84. Anyone else notice that "moral vacuum of atheism" was not in quotations? |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 02:14 AM Response to Original message |
90. also - nations with highest religious belief tend to be more violent |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 02:25 AM Response to Original message |
93. fuck that. how exactly do you measure "happy." bullshit article and bullshit science... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 02:36 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Eh, you can't measure "prosperous" either, can you? |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 02:44 AM Response to Reply #95 |
97. it doesn't change the fact that this study of "happy" is bullshit. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 06:35 AM Response to Reply #97 |
102. Sadly, for a lot of Americans, losing insurance is a life and death issue. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 06:57 AM Response to Reply #97 |
104. I have neither a job nor insurance.. |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 02:37 AM Response to Reply #93 |
96. you can however measure equality and freedom from violence |
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Liquorice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 02:54 AM Response to Original message |
98. I think they are the least religious as a result of being the most prosperous, and not |
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lib_wit_it (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 04:01 AM Response to Original message |
99. Well duh. (sorry, it's late...) |
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Betty Karlson (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 05:27 AM Response to Original message |
100. Facts and figures please |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 07:12 AM Response to Reply #100 |
107. Here is the link to the actual paper which was included in the article.. |
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Betty Karlson (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #107 |
128. Thank you. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 05:33 AM Response to Original message |
101. not surprising |
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Firstzar (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 06:40 AM Response to Original message |
103. Well OF COURSE! |
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mwb970 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 07:05 AM Response to Original message |
105. One word: DUH!! /nt |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 07:20 AM Response to Original message |
108. It is important to remember |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 07:25 AM Response to Reply #108 |
109. Perhaps not, but when correlation after corelation is evident one should condider |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
112. I'm just saying... |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
113. It's not just the religion... |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
115. The attacks on religion continue. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #115 |
118. So, are those numbers bogus? -nt |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #118 |
125. Of course not. They're just not flattering to religion in general. That pisses some people off. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #115 |
127. But they're HAPPY attacks |
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TrogL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
119. Fallacy of Undivided Middle |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #119 |
122. The article doesn't deny that possibility. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 07:58 PM Response to Reply #119 |
130. Sorry. I don't quite follow you.. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
120. I can think of an exception to that. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. I wonder if those in the lower castes could be described as content. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #123 |
126. I think the poster above meant "Indians" as "Native Americans". -nt |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
129. Awesome. |
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