Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich

[SHRED]

Two bright spots in a very dim Congress.

:toast:

There are a few more for sure, but not many.

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[OmmmSweetOmmm]

1. K&R!

[Individualist]

2. Absolutely!

:thumbsup: :toast:

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

3. Cheers. Alan Grayson

:toast:

[Enthusiast]

45. Him, too!

:toast:

[lxlxlxl]

62. carl levin (sometimes), marcy kaptur, klobuchar (maybe), russ feingold...

some others...

[HamdenRice]

4. The first is terrific, the second is a nut. Please don't compare UFOinich to Sanders.

UFOinich is not in the same league as Sanders by a long shot.

[cali]

7. Kucinich is not a nut

though I agree that Bernie is far more goal oriented and has a better strategy.

[tonysam]

22. Oh, yes he is. He also has a huge ego.

He's the stereotypical short man.

[noamnety]

47. lol - anyone running for president has a huge ego.

that's a given.

[liberation]

66. Read up on projection, I think you will find it useful to deal with some of your "shortcomings" LOL

.

[Peregrine Took]

8. Very cruel and unfair. Denis is a man of integrity and courage.

What a ticket that would be Bernie/Denis.

[Duende azul]

10. Do you have any other hobbies than Kucinich bashing? Well, besides bank-bailout cheering.

I'm worried. That's not healthy.

[Starry Messenger]

12. Red-baiting.

I think he has a garden though, so at least he's getting fresh air and sunshine.

[HamdenRice]

25. ROFL! Do you even know what red baiting is?

Sanders is the socialist, who I'm defending. UFOinich is the Democrat and whack job who I'm criticizing.

[Starry Messenger]

27. Yes.

[Bryn]

28. What about bearded sky father?

it's okay to "believe" in unseen/unproven god, but not a sighting of an UFO or you'd label me nutto?

[Enthusiast]

39. Zactly.

We all know that it only means Unidentified Flying Object. Before the military officially acknowledged the existence of "stealth bombers and fighters" surely the most sane among us could be excused for wondering what the fuck they were watching. No?

[HamdenRice]

49. Well, as an atheist, I don't believe in a bearded sky father

but I would say that the entire religious tradition is less nutty than the big eyed alien abduction story.

[RaleighNCDUer]

74. So of course Reagan and Carter are also woo-woo nut jobs

along with half the politicians living in Washington DC in July '52, when fighters were repeatedly scrambled to chase UFO over the Capital and the National Airport.

What's the purpose of the 'big eyed alien abduction story' schtick? You know as well as anyone - since you've been so intent on debunking it - that his story was about seeing LIGHTS, nothing more, and his emotional reaction to seeing them.

I don't think you are really an atheist. A true skeptic looks at the evidence and finds it wanting. He does not make shit up just to enhance his argument - that's what religionists do. You are the high priest of the Church of Anti-Kucinich.

[HamdenRice]

82. "the high priest of the Church of Anti-Kucinich"???

Actually, I just like to goof around about the Kooch. It's entertaining, that's all. I don't take it seriously. That's because Kooch is himself just a form of light entertainment, not to be taken seriously, or confused with politicians who get stuff done.

He's kind of comic relief from Democratic politics, and that's all. Nothing to get yourself so worked up about!

[kenfrequed]

100. Feh

Glad you seem to have time for screwing around with Kucinich for the last couple of years? I imagine you don't waste a lot of time going after the people that are actually selling Democratic principles down the river like Lieberman, Baucus, or Rahm.

[kenfrequed]

76. And...

Your evidence that Kucinich is a "UFO nut" is that Shirley McClaine said so?

Never mind that previous presidents (including Carter) as well as respected members of the armed forces have gone on record as stating they have seen Unidentified flying objects. And what is a UFO really? An object that you have not positively identified yet. It does not mean ET is riding it as it could later be identified as any number of other possible natural or man-made phenomena.

But you aren't interested in that. You are only interested in ad hominem attacks that have nothing to do with his record or stands as a congressman. I honestly don't know what your point is because you don't actually seem to be making one.

[Starry Messenger]

98. There is no point.

Although oddly our friend Hamden was apparently advocating for Dennis in 2006 for his opinions on 9/11:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x575821#575867

HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Mar-04-06 02:22 PM
Response to Original message

16. A plea to DUers now that Dennis said this: We are not crazy pod people!

Now that a respected and beloved Democratic leader has endorsed the outline of LIHOP, can DUers who don't believe LIHOP or MIHOP, at least treat the possibility as something over which reasonable people can disagree? I realize that most of the debate properly will go on in the 9/11 Forum, but non-crazy postings in GD I hope will no longer elicit the sneers from "official conspiracy theory" (ie 9/11 Commission incompetence theory) believers.

If you don't accept LIHOP, fine. But people who believe in LIHOP, like Dennis, or MIHOP, do not necessarily believe in flying holograms, pods under planes, hijacked planes' passengers being offloaded in Cleveland, passengers from hijacked planes spending forged Italian Lira on the Austrian border, or that these conspiracies occur because we are governed by reptilian lizards from another planet.

[kenfrequed]

99. Hmm weird

Seems like a rather long term effort to 'kookify' Kucinich. What is the point to this? What sort of person goes to this sort of trouble? I find it hard to imagine someone just decided to make it his hobby.

Is it paranoid to suggested this is an organized, deliberate, or concerted effort?

[HamdenRice]

104. Yeah, yet another example of Dennis being all talk and absolutely no accomplishments

He has, as a Representative, resources to do his own investigation even if he is not a committee chair.

This example just proves that The Kooch is all talk and no action, and just says stuff he hopes people want to hear, and then does nothing, except vote with the Republicans.

So I guess he's not just light entertainment. He's positive a drag on the party -- a kind of Lieberman of the left.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

61. Hamden seems to make a habit of it

nothing better to do I guess.

[Bryn]

14. Could you prove that UFO stuff doesn't exist?

Your remark of Dennis is cruel. Anything we see that we can't ID is called UFO. I've seen one when I was very young that I couldn't ID therefore according to you I am "nut". Pffffft!

[HamdenRice]

50. Sure UFOs in the strictest sense exist. But thinking they send you telepathic messages is nutty

Of course there are objects that can't be identified. Sometimes their aircraft, sometimes flocks of birds, sometimes optical illusions. Heck, they could even be aliens.

But UFOinich went further and claimed that they sent him mental messages and directions.

I'd rather not have in a position of authority a guy who takes telepathic "directions" from aliens.

[liberation]

68. Maybe it is the aliens the ones who are sending you all those talking points against Kucinich

LOL

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

26. UFOs do exist. I saw one up close along with 6 of my neighbors. I can't

wait until you see one yourself.

I don't know where it came from, who was piloting it, etc...that's why they are called Unidentified Flying Objects.

[Enthusiast]

38. Why call names?

When you are perfectly aware that many of us love Dennis why would you call him derisive names? I want a fucking explanation.

[HamdenRice]

51. If so many defend the UFO claim, how is it derisive to call him UFOinich?

It's simply referring accurately to one of his quaint characteristics.

How's that for your "fucking explanation"?

[Enthusiast]

53. It sucks. nt

[eridani]

56. Not quaint and widely shared

--by Presidents Carter, Reagan and Ford.

[HamdenRice]

57. They saw UFOs. They did not take telepathic DIRECTION from UFOs.

Very different.

[eridani]

59. The UFO told Kucinich to do what?

Go over to Shirley McLaine's place?

[liberation]

69. I am more concerned about what the UFOs are telling the anti-Kucinich contingent

they sure look like they are losing their battle to remain within the realms of reality.

[dotymed]

46. Jimmy Carter

and many high ranking Air Force officers have officially reported UFO sightings. Just because you or I have not, doesn't mean a damned thing. Kucinich would be a helluva lot better for America than President Obama. I have very much respect for Bernie Sanders, too. He would make a great president.

[HamdenRice]

54. Carter SAW a UFO. He didn't take telepahtic mental directions from one

What would happen if UFOinich were president and the UFOs gave him "mental directions" to drop the bomb?

I mean we know Kooch is a pacifist, but suppose the aliens from Alpha Centurion aren't?

[liberation]

70. You seem to know more about those aliens from Alpha Centauri than almost anyone else, including

your beloved "kooch" so why don't you get us up to speed.

LOL

[dotymed]

103. Wow, I have never heard your version.

When did Dennis Kucinich ever say that he took "telepathic mental directions from one"? Why do people feel they have to lie about shit like this? Did you receive this info telepathically?

[Chulanowa]

48. It's pretty funny...

Out of a (nearly) entire Congress that believes, at least on paper, that there is an invisible, all-powerful mind-reading creator of everything who lives in the sky and who's main interest is your sex life and football games, who raped a little girl so she would give birth to him so he ould sacrifice himself to himself to allive a generational curse he brought upon beings he loves but has a place of eternal torment for...

you think it's the guy who said "I saw a UFO" who's the "nut"

[HamdenRice]

52. One set of nutty beliefs doesn't make a second set of nutty beliefs any less nutty

And UFOinich didn't just see a UFO. He said he took telepathic mental directions from them.

:rofl:

:silly: :crazy: :silly:

[RaleighNCDUer]

80. No, he did not. Shirley McLain expanded on a comment of his about

an emotional response he felt upon seeing it. 'Telepathic mental directions' are from McLain, not from Kucinich.

He never said it.

You are perpetuating a RW LIE.

[HamdenRice]

83. "a RW LIE."

I thought Shirley McLain is a liberal? If you yourself say the origin is Shirley, and you think she is lying, how did it become a RW lie?

[RaleighNCDUer]

87. The RW lie is that HE said it, and not attributing it to its actual source.

Shirley McLain, bless her heart, is a nut and everybody knows it. She knows it herself, I'm sure. This is an attempt to smear Kucinich by directly connecting her to him, and attributing to him something SHE said.

Surely you see the difference.

[pundaint]

64. What does UFO have to do with it"

He didn't say he saw a space alien, or that the world was 6 thousand years old. He said he saw something that didn't look like anything he could explain. Same as my opinion about Bush's second term.

[liberation]

71. They are all out of arguments, so they have to resort to making sh*t up.

Really sad if you think about it, actually pathetic is more like it.

If some these so-called Dems put as much effort in defeat the GOP attacks, as they do in throwing other Dems under the bus... we would certainly be in a much much better place. Alas...

[liberation]

65. Ad hominems is that all you got?

Color me unimpressed.

[seeinfweggos]

5. bernie is like a serious dk

he actually believes in getting done what can be done.

[HamdenRice]

55. Well said -- and welcome to DU!

[seeinfweggos]

91. Thanks. I agree with DK on most issues. I just don't like his "all or nothing" votes.

[cali]

6. actually- and thankfully- there are quite a few

Barbara Boxer, Pat Leahy, Sheldon Whitehouse, Sherrod Brown and most members of the House Progressive Caucus.

[HughMoran]

9. ...which means the work has just begun.

We need more like this, not fewer. I'm not discouraged, I'm determined.

[berni_mccoy]

11. No comparison. Sanders has always been pro-choice and a true liberal.

He also would never consider a running mate like Ron Paul.

[RaleighNCDUer]

81. Neither did Kucinich.

He was asked if he would consider it, and he (with considered political probity) said yes - which means he would look at the person, and make a decision about that person.

I considered voting for McCain - for about one second. You cannot decide AGAINST something without considering it in the first place.

All that his 'considering Ron Paul' was intended for, was to get a few of Paul's supporters to listen to HIM for five minutes.

[anonymous171]

13. Yep. nt

[saltpoint]

15. They're two of the good guys.

[suzie]

77. One of the good guys.

[LWolf]

16. Two of the best we've got. nt

[abelenkpe]

17. love em both! nt

[Cleita]

18. Idea for grass roots activism.

For true social democrats. Can you form an organization similar to the DSCC and DCCC to back liberal candidates, who are like Dennis Kucinich and Bernie Sander in ideology? This organization would target candidates for the fifty states to run against corporate whore Democratic incumbents in each senate race and each congressional race. Instead of sending money to the DSCC and DCCC, money could be sent to that organization to help back candidates in states like Montana where the campaign money is low from constituents and therefore candidates like Max Baucus have to take money from industry and corporations. Otherwise, I believe we will lose seats back to Republicans in future elections. The DSCC and DCCC have been helping DLCer Republican Lite candidates this past decade, which is why we seem to have another Republican Congress. It's time to put our money somewhere else and back candidates who will bring us real change. Of course we have to keep Bernie and Dennis right there in Congress in the future as well.

[rhett o rick]

60. Are you familiar with Progressive Democrats of America? nt

[Cleita]

95. Yes, but it doesn't function like the DSCC or DCCC. That's the kind of

organization that I mean and it would take high profile political wonks to run something where money could be collected and then distributed to promising candidates.

[rhett o rick]

97. There are a number of organizations that do what you suggest without involving the

Democratic Party. Progressive Democrats of America, Democrats.com, Act Blue, moveon.org, etc. Most of these organizations have "high profile political wonks". The Democratic Party has be hijacked by the corporatist DLC. We need to work inside the Party to take control back for we the people and work outside the party to raise money to support progressive candidates.

[suzie]

78. If you mean candidates like Bernie Sanders, there are many who would

support such an organization.

But, if you're going to support men and women of little integrity, like DK, I'm sure that it would be a difficult organization to have more than the most marginal support that Kucinich enjoys.

[Vidar]

19. K&R

[bvar22]

20. !

”Unlike the other candidates, I am not funded by those corporate interests.
I owe them no loyalty, and they have no influence over me or my policies.” ---Dennis Kucinich

[varelse]

21. Marcy Kaptur, Barbara Boxer (nt)

[kid a]

23. agree -puts my MT (shameful) Rehberg to shame - kr

[Echo In Light]

24. K&R

[Mari333]

29. knr

[dpbrown]

30. Who unrecommends Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich?

Wow. That's seriously messed up.

[ShortnFiery]

34. Un-American even!

:silly: :hi:

[Enthusiast]

40. They're only

STEALTH REPUBLICANS.

[mmonk]

58. The followers of DINOs

[Starry Messenger]

63. Dittocrats.

[Individualist]

96. DLC supporters

They hate progressives.

[L0oniX]

31. A true patriot tries to change what is wrong with his country. These guys are the cream of the crop.

Only a coward says "love it or leave it".

“My country right or wrong” is a thing that no patriot would think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying, “My mother drunk or sober.” – G. K. Chesterton

[blm]

72. Kerry never gets mentioned, though there isn't a lawmaker in DC who actually exposed more corruption

and illegal operations of the last 4 decades than Kerry has.

It's one thing to TALK about what's wrong and another thing to undertake the ARDUOUS, dangerous, and thankless task of investigating the wrongs layer by dangerous layer.

I wonder why so many Democrats, even at DU, have so little regard for actions that truly made/make a difference to the nation and to the preservation of documents that truly record our history.

I love what Kucinich and Sanders bring to the table....that said....in the long run....REAL ACTIONS and accountability that protects our right to open government mean EVERYTHING.

[slay]

32. K&R - My two favorites

in a corrupt sea of scumbags they shine like a lighthouse. There are a few others like Alan Grayson but damn can you imagine if we had hundreds like Dennis and Bernie? Sigh... Maybe one day..

[Enthusiast]

41. +1, slay! nt

[suzie]

79. We want hundreds like DK, who totally lack integrity?

He shines like a lighthouse in his complete and utter disdain for the intelligence of the electorate.

[RaleighNCDUer]

84. That's the second time this thread you said that.

Evidence of lack of integrity?

And for that matter, I have some serious disdain for the intelligence of an electorate that would elect Bush. Twice.

[suzie]

85. I thought that progressives were supposed to be smarter than the base

that voted for Bush. And yet, Kucinich wanted the Democratic base to believe that he just magically changed his mind overnight after being fanatically anti-woman for many years.

Seems like a complete lack of integrity to me to change your views only because you want to pander to a wider segment of the electorate.

[RaleighNCDUer]

86. You don't that it's possible that marrying a fiercely intelligent leftist

woman might have opened his eyes to arguments that he didn't grasp before?

I thought it was a hallmark of progressives that we are able, with experience and education, to change our minds. You are complaining that he became MORE progressive, and MORE inclusive, even to the point of rejecting some of the precepts of his faith in understanding a woman's right to choice?

You hate on him because he agrees with you, but once did not?

Seriously.

[redqueen]

90. He switched his stance over a year before meeting her. (nt)

[suzie]

94. I have little interest is politicians who are so craven that they

magically change the philosophy of a long career overnight, in order to be able to speak to Democratic groups throughout the country without a segment of the Democratic base standing up and booing them.

Instead of listening politely as Kucinich bashed everyone else on the dais at a Democratic function, including Kerry and Dean, I'd have booed and held up signs against him for his "equal to Henry Hyde" stance. I doubt that I would have been alone--as there are many women in his age group that understood just how vile his position anti-women's choice was.

That he magically changed his tune overnight to avoid that kind of scene seems to establish him as some beacon of integrity for people who like to call themselves "progressives"--because they adore Kucinich, not because he

Sorry, but I don't find his kind of pandering at all equivalent with "integrity. The word for a politician who suddenly finds a different "cause" after many years of moving in the opposite direction is "opportunist", not "person of integrity" and I don't trust opportunists at all. Kucinich is one of the biggest around as far as I can see.

[Forkboy]

93. I'll trust NARAL and Planned Parenthood over your sophomoric rantings any day.

You give a zero rating, they give a 100 rating. Gee, who to listen to? :eyes:

[Forkboy]

92. We can always count on Suzie and her stupidity.

:applause:

[slay]

102. +1

wow i have no idea what her problem is - lots of unexplainable anger and quite a.. um.. different view on things from most everyone else in this thread. :eyes:

[ShortnFiery]

33. You got that right!

Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich: Thoughtful American Patriots. :patriot:

[Enthusiast]

42. +1, ShortnFiery! nt

[avaistheone1]

35. They are great.

I love Barbara Boxer too.

And I love Marcy from Ohio as well.


:loveya:

[Enthusiast]

43. +1, avaistheone1 ! nt

[winyanstaz]

36. Two very fine Patriots..and America needs more like those two...

K & R....
and a boot in the butt to those that slam the only ones standing up for the working people of America.

[Enthusiast]

44. + 1, winyanstaz! nt

[arthritisR_US]

101. nicely said! k & r. n/t

[Enthusiast]

37. They both represent my best interest.

And I find that rare today.

Those that call Dennis names have an agenda. That agenda is to discredit him so they can replace him with a right wing Democrat or Republican. There is NO JUSTIFICATION for calling Dennis names, especially when so many of us love him.

[Orsino]

67. Yes.

We need more like them.

[liberation]

73. LOL. I am totally digging the "divide and conquer" approach....

... some of the obvious DLCers are using to pit Kucinich vs. Sanders.

I have a couple of hints though, people of the liberal persuasion usually don't keep track of who is "more liberal" or who is the "real liberal" and all that jazz. Me thinks, if you tone the projection a bit... some of the provocateurs would get more mileage out of their ad hominems, and desperate red herrings.

Also, the whole "beaming orders from the mothership" crap, is just too Rovian for words. So again, be careful guys... your true colors show up every now and then. LOL.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

75. If ALL Democrats were like Kucinich, Sanders, Kaptur, DeFazio, Grayson,

Ellison, and a few others, we would NOT be in this mess.

I would give the Blue Dogs to the Republicans under the Christmas Tree with red ribbons around their necks.

[Dawgs]

88. Wrong.

There are a lot more than just a few. :)

[bigwillq]

89. Kick

Would rec if I could. Agree with this thread 100 percent.