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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-28-09 11:52 PM Original message |
NYC teachers...start praying now to get good students who test well. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-28-09 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
1. Bloomberg is a rich bonehead. He's there because of his money |
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Libertas1776 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-28-09 11:56 PM Response to Original message |
2. Another great outrage |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. He has in effect hijacked the school system. |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-28-09 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
3. Let Me Be Blunt |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 02:41 AM Response to Reply #3 |
17. They seem to be supporting it. |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
4. Using standardized testing to evaluate teachers is a disaster |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 12:10 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Teaching to the test is common. I'm a substitute in a suburban |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 12:59 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. It's not deep integral learning that becomes part of a student's mind |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #9 |
29. She's an expert in regurgitating facts and filling in boxes. It's all that the system requires. |
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malletgirl02 (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
5. Question |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 12:06 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. They don't intend to balance it. |
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malletgirl02 (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 12:29 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Link |
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shellgame26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 10:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
66. I read that in the NYTimes today |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #5 |
27. New York City has specialized public schools |
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FarLeftFist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
7. I have a fascist fucking mayor |
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Ellen Forradalom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 12:09 AM Response to Original message |
8. This hands children a lot of political power |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 01:47 AM Response to Reply #8 |
16. Yes, it does give students power. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
10. i am thankful every day that we chose not to have kids. |
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Hardrada (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 12:17 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. I'm glad I'm old now and not young now. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 01:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. i wouldn't mind being just a little younger... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Maybe not that much younger... |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 12:28 AM Response to Original message |
12. You can't evaluate heart surgeons on any lone criteria you desire; especially patient survival rates |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Good post. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 12:35 AM Response to Original message |
14. Bloomberg making many "agressive moves" with Joe Klein... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
22. When did it happen that there is little outrage about union busting... |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I think the continuous |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Yes, you are right. The propaganda worked so well against public schools. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. Yes. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 10:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
45. Not only public schools |
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teacher gal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. agreed n/t |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. The problem is the unions are becoming completely ineffective in dealing |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Well, it's a good thing then there won't be any soon. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. Unfortunately, they are about worthless now. Case in point: D.C. schools |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Yep, get rid of public schools and unions. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 07:38 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. I know it is. I am just stating reality |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 10:53 AM Response to Reply #37 |
48. Teacher unions are a different argument. |
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mamaleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
28. Ridiculous idea. That forces teachers to teach only for the test. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 05:38 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. It almost guarantees dumbing down of students. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
32. What about the Art teacher or the Gym teacher or the counselor? |
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MountainLaurel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. There aren't any of them anymore n/t |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
38. From NY Teachers.net chatboard |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 09:52 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Thanks for sharing that...teachers are catching on. |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
39. Two words for anyone who thinks test scores make a good performance indicator: 'bell curve' |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Yep. And the CRTs are no better indicator |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
41. Then teachers need far more leeway in terms of discipline and other matters. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. +1,000 |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
59. Discipline? In NYC? AS IF the kids don't intimidate the staff! |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-29-09 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
44. In their situation, I would simply teach the test. If that's what mayor fucko wants, give him it. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
46. Arne Duncan stood next to Bloomberg during the announcement. |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
47. Charter schools cherry pick students who make good grades. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
49. Okay. So can I write a test to measure public office holders? |
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deadmessengers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
50. So how do you propose measuring teachers, then? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Teachers are constantly assessed by many means. |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
51. I teach a course to take a test. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. For weeks the teachers here "teach to the test". |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
53. Incentive to cheat. |
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xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
55. It appears, tragically, |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
56. So, I ask: |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. You certainly don't get what I am saying. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. That's fine. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Teachers are ALREADY assessed, all the time, thoroughly |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. But it's subjective assessment. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. If you think one test can do all that....then I have swampland to sell you. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 12:26 AM Response to Reply #64 |
69. And therin is the problem. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 12:30 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. You don't judge children on just one test. It is unconscionable. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 09:28 AM Response to Reply #70 |
76. On one test. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #76 |
88. Then why have grades? Waste of time to give grades on report cards. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 12:40 AM Response to Reply #62 |
74. You can't DO it because public schools are political institutions first and foremost |
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shellgame26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #56 |
67. I don't think you understand what's going on in the public schools |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 12:34 AM Response to Reply #67 |
72. What's wrong with test prep???? |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 12:37 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Uh, no. Teachers aren't against assessments; they assess all the time. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #73 |
78. Hah! |
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shellgame26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 05:33 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. I think you need to consider |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 10:21 AM Response to Reply #75 |
79. So again... |
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shellgame26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 10:58 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. and again |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Then change the test. |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Why are there few famous Brazilian physicists? |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #86 |
90. On Brazilian scientists and false dichotomies. |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Brazilian vs American |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Having googled this. |
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shellgame26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 11:05 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. maybe you misunderstood |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. On creativity and trees. |
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shellgame26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 10:57 PM Response to Reply #91 |
99. once again |
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shellgame26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. and as far as |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 08:16 AM Response to Reply #72 |
83. Who said the tests represent the knowledge that we feel |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. So change the test. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 07:52 AM Response to Reply #85 |
89. We have many local measures that do just that. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. I agree. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 10:06 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. Some of that is correct. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-02-09 08:14 AM Response to Reply #56 |
82. First you have to define teacher effectiveness. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 10:09 PM Response to Reply #82 |
97. The problem is with the public school culture |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 10:20 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. The link I gave you |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
58. As if Education graduates needed ANOTHER reason not to work in NYC! LOL! |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
63. Are they comparing test scores within a particular school |
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avalonofmists (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
65. The Gov. of WI is pushing this also. All for "race to the top" grants. It is all about |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-30-09 11:04 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Yes, the money from the DOE is speaking loudly. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 12:32 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. They're using blackmail money in order to gut teachers' legal protections, what few there are. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 10:08 PM Response to Reply #65 |
96. They're doing it in Arizona, and they're doing it in Nevada. |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-01-09 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
77. I wrote |
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