Sarah Palin = The Caucasian Condi Rice

[ChairmanAgnostic]

Attitude? Check
Shoes? Check
long legs? Check
Smile? check
Toe polish? check
Toe polish that matches shoes? Check
Toe polish that matches shoes and nails? Check
Toe polish that matches shoes, outfit and nails? Check
Toe Polish that is un-chipped, and matches shoes, outfit and nails? Check
Attitude? Check (didn't we do that before? Yes, but 2x works just fine)
Minimal musical talent inflated to be real? Check
Language skills? Check
Geography knowledge? Check
long legs? Check (OK, they both have two, so it counts twice!)
Love of Reagan? Check
No international knowledge? Check
No domestic knowledge? Check
Promoted by ultraconservative, superrich assholes as puppets? Check
Nasty in private? Check
Presentable, so long no one asks a serious question? Check
Thinks Israel will be the center of rapture? Check
A Diva in her own mind? Check
Expensive outfits, paid for by others? Check
Stupid, but gets by with attitude (& $$$ from military/industrial complex? Check
Supported by the ultra-right as a figure head? Check
Intended to be GOP leadership material, backed by ultra conservatives? Check
Incapable of independent thought? Check
Incapable of finishing a job properly? Check
Highly overrated by her fans? Check
Shallow, insipid, and proof of Murphy's Law? Check
Reactionary to perceived slights, especially by media figures? Check
More concerned with staffs' blind loyalty, than their effectiveness? Check


Tis, a short list, I know, but when you compare Condi with a Madeline Albright, or even Colin Powell, and you compare Sarah with. . . . hell, with anyone who actually reads a newspaper . . . . the resemblance is remarkable.

[FarLeftFist]

1. Sarah Palin = Shoots wolves from helicopter

[cali]

2. ugh. I'm no fan of condi rice, but she's a very smart, educated woman

and I think your post is disgusting race baiting.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

5. you must be joking.

Condi was promoted way ahead of her abilities because of race. and sex.
Who else would have been entitled to having a FUCKING OIL CARRIER named after them, while she was in her 20s? Are you kidding?

She has been pampered, maneuvered, trained, and promoted since her teens. She was the golden ticket for the powers that be. Her big mistake? Taking not one, but two positions of importance and power with a fuck up like W. It was bad enough that as NSC chair, she ignored the real threats, and wasted most of her time promoting a useless Alaska based anti missile system that we knew could not work. And then, W promoted her to SecState, where she made thing worse?

How is it race baiting, when we recognize that those who put her into position for her jobs, relied on her sex and her race?

[AzNick]

8. I believe Condi Rice is very smart as well.

[Quantess]

27. So do I.

That's about the only good thing I can say about her.

[BlueCaliDem]

28. I do too. She's a big fish in a little pond. That's being smart.

But I still dislike her because of the opportunist that she is, lacking morals and ethics, imho.

[NoSheep]

55. Exactly. No ethics but smart. Kinda like all those men she worked for.

[BlueCaliDem]

61. Exactly. She is, after all, an opportunist, i.e. a Republican tool. eom

[cali]

13. could you be any more freeper like? yeah, she only became

you actually have the nerve to throw out the affirmative action canard? Disgusting.

Rice graduated from St. Mary's Academy in 1970. In 1974, at age 19, Rice earned her BA degree in political science, Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver. In 1975, she obtained her Master's Degree in political science from the University of Notre Dame. She first worked in the State Department in 1977, during the Carter administration, as an intern in the Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs. In 1981, at the age of 26, she received her PhD degree in Political Science from the Josef Korbel School of International Studies at the University of Denver. Her dissertation along with some of her earliest publications, centered on military policy and politics in Czechoslovakia.<11>


That's right, she graduated Phi Beta at the age of 19. Oh, and though I certainly don't consider myself qualified to judge, she's considered to be an accomplished amateur musician.

Yes, I deplore her politics and think she was a lousy SoS, but that's a far cry from the racist dogshit you're peddling.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

18. yeah, I could excuse women beating men,

while male abusers deserve jail time.

There are some obvious facts. Condi was never selected for her
i. piano skills
ii. ballet skills
iii. negotiating skills (especially if you talk to those under her at Stanford)
iv. administrative skills (especially if you . . . see above)
v. smarts as a national security expert.
vi. smarts as an international diplomat
vii. smarts


She was put into a position to do well. She did well enough. She was then steered to do "russian studies" because our biggest enemy was still the USSR. She was placed in front of a number of people, BY DESIGN, who could further her career, as well as pay back some IOUs they owed. They did so. She worked OK in Bush 1, because she was no dummy, and because she had little responsibility and administrative control. That pushed her into the big leagues, just as her puppet masters wanted. The problem was that no one expected the next bush presidency to be W's, but Jeb's. That threw sand into the gears, and screwed up their plans for another 12-16 years.

People forget just how she managed to get so high, so fast. We ignore the SS Condileeza Rice, at our own risk, in that case.
That oil carrier has since been renamed. That tells you something about her current rate of exchange with those who make billions off of us every week.

[cali]

19. really? you know what people in her department at Stanford thought of her?

you sure do love pulling crap out of your butt hole.

Oh, and Phi Beta at 19 isn't doing well enough; it's called excelling.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

21. actually, I do.

At least one couple, who suffered under her, and have some great stories to tell.

we play bridge regularly, and after a few cabs and merlots, they have some great stories to relate.

[AspenRose]

39. For real

Sarah Palin went to how many colleges to graduate with....ONE degree?

And don't forget the quitter factor. At least Condi didn't quit on anything. And she knows where Brazil is on a map....

Aside from being republicans (which carries its own set of problems) and having a love of sports, I don't see many similarities at all. Condi is quite accomplished.

[me b zola]

44. You are saying that Condi had they oil carrier named after her because she is Black?

No. It is because she is an intelligent, willing tool.

[noamnety]

12. I thought "race baiting" from the title, but then

I upgraded to race baiting and misogynistic.

[cali]

14. yep. vile crap to see here.

[noamnety]

16. I didn't realize being female with legs was such an issue for men.

They have legs, better list that one twice. WTF.

[emilyg]

30. Agree on all counts.

[etherealtruth]

3. Rice is a lot of things ... most not "good"

... but, inarticulate boob is not one of them.

[Orsino]

9. She's an articulate boob...

...and would probably be a lot more articulate if she weren't still desperately toeing the GOP party line. That will make anyone sound stupid.

She has sold her soul to evil. She's smart, I'm sure, but she is an epic fuck-up on a global scale, and that kinda outweighs the brains.

[etherealtruth]

10. I can't disagree with that

:) or perhaps :( is more appropriate.

[demosincebirth]

4. No comparison. What ever you think about Rice she is smart and has a super education.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

7. smart how?

A good friend was sent to moscow as a high level translator. He was told, like the world was, that she was bilingual, so he and others were relegated to dealing with aides. Until everyone realized
a) she knew nothing about speaking Russian, forget fluency.
b) she was an idiot. \
c) not only was she not bright, she masked it by being mean, petty, and demanding.

It is a major shame that so many here were taken in by Bush era propaganda about her brilliance. I suspect Forest Gump could be portrayed as a genius congressman, by the same token.

[demosincebirth]

34. I didn't say brilliant, I said smart...she's no dummy. eom.

[cynatnite]

59. Agreed...

I can't stand Rice, but she is intelligent and a talented musician, too.

[saltpoint]

6. No.

Dr. Rice is politically loathsome and we do not collectively have enough lifetimes left to figure out why a smart person like Rice wanted to hang with a jibbering idiot like Dubya, however:

Palin is an idiot. Rice has a mind, a good one put to very poor use in Puke politics, but a good mind nevertheless.

[Walk away]

11. Condi is a mess and you are correct on all counts....but...

do you really she's as dumb as La Palin? Sarah had to pay someone else to write her book for her. At least Rice was able to string her own sentences together.

And as far as Colin Powell is concerned....he is a world class liar and a traitor. He is a special case. Not stupid but vile (that's vile as in covering up the Mai Mai Massacre, not vial as in filled with white powder).

[saltpoint]

15. Long legs? I'm not exactly clear what leg length has to do with anything.

[saltpoint]

17. Rice's musical talent was hardly "minimal." She played the higher-echelon

pieces in the repertoire generally and Brahms especially.

Brahms ain't minimal.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

20. hell, I play brahms.

I love dearly debussy, while liszt still slows me down.
There is nothing as peaceful as some moe's art, and that deaf dude could really write some great shit.

So what? It was a false front. It was a charade. It was PR, and remains PR. Amazing how gullible we are, despite knowing that the whole W admin was filled with propaganda and lies. Some still cling to promo statements like, Well, Rummie was brilliant, but he was getting old. or, the Cheney we knew had changed. Or Bush meant well, but had bad advisers.

Bull Shit. Every step by these thugs and assholes was planned. 9/11 gave them the opportunity to take it up several steps. In that program, Condi was little more than a tool. Well trained, smart, and loyal, but still a tool.

[saltpoint]

24. If you play Brahms you must be pretty good.

People don't get to Brahms without going through a shitload of Clementi sonatinas, and that is arduous, soul-grinding work.

The actual account of Rice's musical career is one of certain, sure-footed accomplishment which met its Waterloo in a musical contest when she was in college. Her peers close to her age by one or two years had demonstrated even more persistence and had more voltage in interpretation than Rice. But she was a contender at the top level of the repretoire up to that point. She could easily have gone on to ensemble work had she wished to but academics beckoned instead.

If we find her loathsome politically we have to be clear on what constitutes our objection. For me it is the abandonment of beauty in the form of music to pursue ugly power practiced by fools.

[cali]

25. If she was well trained and smart, dearie, that kind of contradicts your sexist race baiting

op. sarah palin is not smart. she is not well trained and unlike Rice, she is not well educated.

it was a bullshit stupid ass comparison.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

33. cali, I love your posts. I really do. But you miss MY point.

You are all concentrating on Condi, when the one we should look at is Sarah.

Do NOT discount her, simply because she is unread, basically illiterate, and despite a journalism degree, had to hire a ghost writer. (SHIT, every Journalist I know, and I know close to a dozen, are all secretly working on their ONE BIG NOVEL) She and Condi are alike in that society raises them - - - excuse me, AMERICAN society raises them high up, in part, because they are women, and are attractive.

Hell, we had a mayor in Chicago, Jane Byrne, who was either brilliant, or insane. Most likely both. When she was on her game, she made this city rock and roll. The other times? not so good. But, she was ugly. And that, in some ways, forced her to rely on her smarts and her quite admirable talents. She was a great administrator (when she was on) and not so good at other times. Our Famous Mike Royko eventually named her Good Jane/Bad Jane.

The point is that even in a puritanical US, we've had talented women in office and in charge. For every brilliant surgeon, I guarantee that he has a brilliant RN who does most of his job. For every male CEO, there is a priceless Exec Secretary, who makes it all happen.

Sarah - she is a powerful force in the GOP, laugh as we would. Comparing her to Condi is more than appropriate. I simply tried to insult them both.
Damn. I forgot. Both are female, too.

[cali]

36. I'm not discounting Palin. I didn't discount bush.

I disagree with you that Rice only got where she got because of her gender, looks or her race. And no, the comparison is absurd.

It's a damn shame you can't see either the race baiting or the sexism in your op.

[Bobbieo]

22. Condi is a talented musician but according to one music critic., she had no "soul" ,

a lack-luster performer with very little emotion.

[saltpoint]

26. A crippler at the high-end of the repertoire, no question.

The soul-thin pianist trying to perform the second and third Rachmaninoff concertos would amount to a doomed commitment.

Same for Brahms.

[saltpoint]

35. Rice was a music major in college at age 15:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/09/arts/music/09tomm.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1


Excerpt:
- - -

…Ms. Rice, having skipped the first and seventh grades, entered the University of Denver at 15 as a music major.

At 17, she attended the prestigious summer school at the Aspen Music Festival in Colorado and came to believe that though she was a very good pianist, she was "not great," she said. "That was the really the revelation," she added. "And it wasn't just that experience. You start noticing prodigies, and you realize that I'm never going to play that way." There is "just some intangible" in music, she said. Whatever it was, she said she felt she didn't have it. She decided to major in international relations instead, focusing on the Soviet Union.
- - -

[Arkana]

23. Condi was pure evil, but she was Stanford-educated and very smart and articulate.

Sarah is a gibbering moron.

[Brother Buzz]

41. Rice was not educated at Stanford

[Arkana]

51. Dammit, you're right. I should have looked that up first.

Still, she's miles smarter than Sarah "Gibbering Retard" Palin.

[foo_bar]

29. I didn't get the "proof of Murphy's Law" part. Peter Principle?

Murphy's is pretty nonpartisan, like the tepid advisories of thermodynamics, just something that can't be avoided. And people are right, Condi had much nicer legs.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

31. They're really not at all alike aside from being female right wingers. Poor comparison.

[spanone]

32. no comparison, condi is at least educated...sarah is a mean,desperate evil politician

[tabasco]

37. Condi is sociopathic but intelligent.

Palin is downright stupid. It amazes me that someone like this can become governor of a state. Mind boggling.

[TwilightGardener]

38. Nope--like everyone else, gonna have to disagree--Condi wasn't

a very effective cabinet member, but there's no comparing her to a complete bubblehead who took six years to earn a degree in communications from an average school.

[Number23]

40. Unrec'd. Your denigration of Condi Rice's intelligence is unnecessary.

She could have done great things with her brain but decided to use it to further her "husband's" corruption of our country. But she ain't no Sarah Palin. And more importantly, Palin damn sure ain't no Condi.

Edit: After reading the thread and seeing where you OPENLY admit to thinking that Condi only got what she got because of her skin color and gender, my only regret is that I could not unrec this more than once.

[kwassa]

42. Sarah Palin could only wish to be the caucasian Condi Rice.

This really is a terrible comparison.

[cali]

43. and why bring race into it anyway?

[kwassa]

48. and why bring gender into it???

there are many stupid male Republicans that would make a much better analogy.

[burning rain]

45. Well, regarding a possible presidential run, at least Palin's views are pretty clear.

She's god-awful, a dumb ideologue, but at least you know where she stands. A weird thing about those pushing Rice for president, was that she was such a political cipher on domestic issues. I was never impressed with Rice's international credentials: she knew dick about Russia, supposedly an area of special expertise for her, and couldn't speak Russian for shit.

[Mz Pip]

46. Not even close

I don't agree with Condi's politics but she's a smart woman.

I have never seen anything that even comes close to the blind adoration of the stupid for Sarah in comparison to Condi.

[juno jones]

47. Condi does more than see Russia from her house.

I don't agree with her conclusions on the subject, but she does speak (edit to add, above claim that she doesn't) Russian and is a (certainly is)specialist in Russian studies.

Palin just reads to the camera whatever they put in front of her lame ass.

[juno jones]

49. And to add;

Condi AFAIK is not a religious zealot nor has she been cleared of witches and annointed as our potential Esther and queen.

That distinction means a lot to me.

[BuelahWitch]

50. Five lines about their TOE POLISH?

Wow, just WOW! :yoiks:

[Arkana]

52. You'd think Dick Morris wrote it.

[JI7]

53. stupid , there is no comparison, especially in intelligence, talent etc

[ecstatic]

54. Sarah would be extremely dangerous if she had anything near Condi's credentials

Condi is a neoconservative with somewhat liberal social views, Sarah is a fundamental christian with little or no education or knowledge about the world (or anything for that matter). I can't help but question your critical thinking skills. I agree with others who also pointed out your race baiting. Yes, affirmative action was and still is needed in this country because of people like YOU who have preformed conclusions about the intelligence racial minorities.

[mnhtnbb]

57. I agree with you. Condi has no empathy--name me a Repub who does--

but she is a highly educated and intelligent woman who lacks soul. Sarah Palin can no more compete
with Condi than she can with Hillary.

[Nite Owl]

56. Don't see the comparison

at all. Condi is a lot of things that are not good but she is no dummy.

[Brooklyns_Finest]

58. -1

You post was both sexist, racist and all together freeperish.

[951-Riverside]

60. I never liked Condi for various reasons but DAMN comparing the two is like...

comparing an orange to a highly intelligent human. BTW, its funny you mention Madeline Albright because Condi was taught international politics by Albright's father.

[Blue_In_AK]

62. Condi is way smarter than Sarah.

As much as I dislike Condi Rice, there is really no comparison.