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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 04:33 PM
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"Tobin" tax gaining acceptance everywhere but within Obama Adm
Nothing new about the tax (revamped at the Turner-Brown tax), but the admin's opposition should be getting a lot more attention. Keep in mind, these types of (sales) transactions are tax-free. Kind of like excluding the insurance industry from anti-monopoly regulation.

Taxing the Speculators
By PAUL KRUGMAN

Should we use taxes to deter financial speculation? Yes, say top British officials, who oversee the City of London, one of the world’s two great banking centers. Other European governments agree — and they’re right.

Unfortunately, United States officials — especially Timothy Geithner, the Treasury secretary — are dead set against the proposal. Let’s hope they reconsider: a financial transactions tax is an idea whose time has come.

The dispute began back in August, when Adair Turner, Britain’s top financial regulator, called for a tax on financial transactions as a way to discourage “socially useless” activities. Gordon Brown, the British prime minister, picked up on his proposal, which he presented at the Group of 20 meeting of leading economies this month.


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And a financial transactions tax, by discouraging reliance on ultra-short-run financing, would have made such a run much less likely. So contrary to what the skeptics say, such a tax would have helped prevent the current crisis — and could help us avoid a future replay.

Would a Tobin tax solve all our problems? Of course not. But it could be part of the process of shrinking our bloated financial sector. On this, as on other issues, the Obama administration needs to free its mind from Wall Street’s thrall.


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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/27/opinion/27krugman.html?src=twt&twt=NytimesKrugman



It's worth noting that criticism fails to mention the amount of revenue that it would garner and how that revenue could be used.


What are Tobin Taxes?

They are simple sales taxes on currency trades across borders. The original proposal came from James Tobin, Ph.D., a Nobel laureate economist at Yale, but economists have since refined his approach. Tobin Taxes can be enacted domestically by national legislatures, but will require multilateral cooperation to be effectively enforced... Political will for passage is the major obstacle to be overcome, by citizen mobilization...

The proposal is important due to its potential to prevent financial crises. Also, the estimated $100 - $300 billion per year makes it possible to meet urgent global priorities, such as preventing global warming, disease, and poverty. Help turn the tide towards global solutions in the 21st century...


How Tobin-style Taxes would work:

* Currency speculators trade over $1.8 trillion dollars each day across borders. The market is huge, and volatile.
* Each trade would be taxed at 0.1 to 0.25 percent of volume (about 10 to 25 cents per hundred dollars)
* This would discourage short-term currency trades,about 90 percent speculative, but leave long-term productive investments intact.
* The currency market would thus shrink in volume, helping to restore national economic autonomy. Nations again could intervene effectively to protect their own currency from devaluation and financial crisis.
* Billions in revenue, estimated at $100 - $300 billion per year, would be generated.
* Revenue could go into earmarked trust funds to fund urgent international priorities.


http://www.tobintax.org/factsheet.htm
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 04:36 PM
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1. I think that would be a positive step!
:thumbsup:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 04:37 PM
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2. It is a good idea and would be very helpful, but it taxes the people that matter
and will therefore not happen.

Here's hoping, once again, that I'm wrong.

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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 05:24 PM
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5. "... the people who matter!!!!" You seem to reading from the same hymn-sheet as the good
Mr Lloyd Blankfein, beavering away at "God's work"! You certainly don't seem to have registered Adair Turner's words about “socially useless” activities:

"The dispute began back in August, when Adair Turner, Britain’s top financial regulator, called for a tax on financial transactions as a way to discourage “socially useless” activities.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 07:43 PM
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13. You think I agree with him?
You couldn't be more mistaken, but I do know how things work and we will not be allowed to do anything this beneficial.


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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 04:39 PM
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3. We used to have one on Wall Street transactions. I think it was a quarter of a percent.
But they repealed it.

It needs to be brought back.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 04:59 PM
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4. If they levy a sales tax on Haircuts, why can't they levy a tax
on transactional trades?

I believe those who are so adamantly opposed to the tax fear that it would somehow effect international trade, that markets that have no transaction taxes would prosper while the ones which do levy taxes would suffer.

Yet these same masters of the universe think nothing of backing a sales tax on every day necessities when it come to building sports arenas.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 05:31 PM
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7. ... and waiters' and waitresses' tips, for crying out loud! If the Master of the Universe
view it as spiteful, that will just be the icing on the cake. Justice must seem spiteful to them, just as being told the truth is Hell. As the sign the man held said, "They only call it class-war, when we fight back."
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 05:30 PM
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6. Interesting idea. I'm not really well versed on financial markets, but sounds a plus, to me.
Ans at 10 - 25 cents per hundred dollars, hardly punitive. Yet I assume economists that favor the idea feel it's enough of a disincentive to stem short-term currency speculation.
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 05:43 PM
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8. Sarkozy is a pretty conservative guy
"It appears that Nicolas Sarkozy has taken a leaf out of Prospect’s book. Following last month’s interview with FSA chief Adair Turner, in which he described the City as “socially useless” and called for the introduction of a Tobin tax, there are now reports that Nicolas Sarkozy will urge fellow world leaders at next month’s G20 meeting in Paris to consider a Tobin tax on all financial transactions."

http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2009/09/sarkozy-turns-to-turner-and-tobin/


Gaining favor abroad. Obama still "dead set against the proposal."
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 06:25 PM
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9. A global currency would be much better.
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 06:30 PM
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10. Can you present your case?
Even if it means linking articles that support your view.

Thanks
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 06:37 PM
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11. No reason to, I couldn't care if you agree or not and have no reason to support anything for you or
convince you of anything.
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RadiationTherapy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 07:48 PM
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15. Hahahaha! You tried to talk with RBTXLA! HAHAHAHahahahaha!
Nice try, though
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 07:24 PM
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12. K & R.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 07:46 PM
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14. Geithner, as said by huffpo, has been wrong on everything else. Why should he be right this time?!
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