I look both ways before I cross the street

[NJmaverick]

In an ideal world, I wouldn't have to. Cars would obey the law and yield to pedestrians in a perfect world.


By the same token I don't always agree with what my Democratic President or my Democratic Congress does. However I realize that I don't live in that perfect world. I appreciate that there is a huge number of people that have dedicated themselves to putting down liberals and moderates and will do anything to regain control of our nation. I know if they get their way and regain control they will finish their efforts to destroy America or at least the America we could be proud of or wish to live in. So I am vocal and active in my attacks on the right wingers, the true threat to our nation. The Democrats on the other hand get non-destructive pressure to go in the direction I wish them to, but (as a person living in the real non-yielding world) I am ever mindful not to undermine or weaken them.


One other thing I appreciate about the real world is that Obama is our President, not mine or anyone else's personal genie. He is going to try and do what is best for all people, not just me and not just the left. However in the real world if I don't support his efforts there are some very evil men and women (like the rogue, rove, Bachman, Beck and company) that are looking to take that job and they will make NO effort to please everyone, much less a progressive like myself.

[BeatleBoot]

1. Maturity

I see "maturity" as the essence of your post.

[anonymous171]

14. Really? All I see is moral cowardice. nt

[Raineyb]

17. Not to mention sycophantic worshiping.

With arrogant know nothing mouthing off to boot.

[Cant trust em]

2. "do what is best for all people, not just me and not just the left'

Interesting concept.

Some would say that doing what's best for the left would be best for all people.

I think that the Public option being tied to medicare rates is an interesting example who this might not always be true.

Moderates objected to it because it would underpay doctors in their rural districts. True, it is the best way to drive down costs, but that could be at the detriment to the service providers in those areas.

[NJmaverick]

6. Agreed, while I like to think mine or the left's views are the best ones

It would be arrogant of me to presume that my positions are so flawless that no one else should have a say or stray from my views.

[paulsby]

3. i carry a firearm concealed (sometimes)

in an ideal world, i wouldn't choose to (i don't HAVE to). people would obey the law, and nobody would try to harm anybody else.

fwiw, i criticize obama for plenty of things, but i will make it abundantly clear that i am behind him in general, and he's doing a good job. i disagree with him on marriage equality, mj criminalization, etc.

and god knows he's metric assloads better than mccain would have been

[imdjh]

4. Unless cars could stop perfectly, and drivers were perfectly alert, you still need to look both ways

[treestar]

5. Rec

The right still has many people in it. They are still a danger. 48% voted for McWar to be president as a 72 year old with a nitwit running mate.

Save the attacks for the right wingers. They own the media, too. We really can't afford to be shredding what we've gained by getting a Dem POTUS and Congress.

[ZombieHorde]

7. Do you believe the war in Afghanistan is "best for all people"? nt

[NJmaverick]

10. What I think is that a sudden pull out could result in the Country falling in chaos

and becoming a safe haven for terrorist to operate. I am willing to give an intelligent man a chance to find a better exit

[Sebastian Doyle]

29. Falling in chaos?

When was Afghanistan NOT in chaos? Maybe if other countries stopped invading them for a while, they might get their own shit together?

[Sebastian Doyle]

27. Depends on what you mean by "all people".

If you mean oil companies, gas companies, CIA heroin smugglers, and "defense" contractors, then yes.

[Raineyb]

8. You have no concept of the real world. You think the party is the real world.

The irony in the idiocy of this post would be amusing if it were not so pathetic.

[NJmaverick]

9. What's sad is your unearned arrogance (not unlike the right winger arrogance) will be the down fall

or our nation. My young misguided friend you would have a better idea just how toxic and destructive your behavior is if you had seen what Nader did with his "there is no difference between Al Gore and George Bush campaign". Unfortunately with your closed mind and arrogant attitude you are never going to gain any wisdom and you continue to hold wrong minded and misguided opinions and views.

[LooseWilly]

15. "Wisdom" is, of course, defined as agreement with you?

And you are likewise the judge of which arrogances are "earned" and which "unearned"?... and that presupposition does not seem arrogant to you?

Hmm... the irony goes to 11, it does... ;)

[NJmaverick]

19. I have a nice mirror for you

you might find it a precious gift and an eye opening experience:)

[Raineyb]

16. Perhaps you have made the mistake of believing all that the sycophants you

apparently surround yourself with, but the rest of us are under no obligation to feed you delusion.

There is nothing more pathetic than seeing idiocy and condescension in one moronic post. That said, you have no wisdom to impart so there's nothing to gain from you. Your idea of "wisdom" is the continue to kiss the ass of the very people who have their foot on your neck. As for my "youth" you have no bloody idea how old I am. I've seen this shit before when Clinton was in office. He ran as a progressive and then when he got into office all that progressive talk went right out the window as he pushed through things the right wing has been dreaming about for years but were unable to get passed. It's said that Clinton was the best Republican president we ever had. There is a reason why this is said.

If anyone has been arrogant and close minded it is you. You enter threads, immediately attack anyone who claims to be progressive or even argues that the progressives should not be blamed for the failures and short comings of the Democratic party without knowing if the person is a progressive or not and you think I'm arrogant? It's the epitome of arrogance to proclaim that candidates are entitled to support from the base when they do not a damn thing to earn it.

The arrogance you're sensing is the tsunami of arrogance that flows around you on a daily basis.

Based on what you've written on this board you have about as much wisdom as those fucking idiot tea-baggers. And I don't plan to take lessons from those morons either.

[NJmaverick]

20. You are truly delusional in your position

"surrounded by sycophants"?!?! Are you truly serious or are you just tossing out stupid and completely ludicrous accusations for the sake of a reaction? As for the unearned ego you display in the rest of your post.... DAMN! I think Skinner needs to open up a new board just to fit it.

[anonymous171]

32. "Delusional" is a subjective term friend. Stop being so arrogant

[Raineyb]

35. I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt hoping you were merely surrounded

by sycophants vs having a truly over sized sense of your own superiority merely because you're an idiot. My bad!

You expect people to think you're not a moron when you can't even understand the difference between entitlement and earning? Unlike you I have no need to make a display because I am comfortable in what I am and what I bring to the table. Your needless chest thumping to hide your rather frail ego doesn't interest me at all except when you mistake your sycophantic rantings as the truth from on high and then dump on those who don't agree because you are under the delusion that you know what the fuck you're talking about when it's obvious that your head is so far up the party's ass that your view can't help but be covered in shit.

Well, lesson learned, you have no sycophants you're just an idiot. Noted.

[anonymous171]

11. What is good for the left is good for all.

If you do not believe that then you don't belong in politics. Sorry, but this is a war. Peoples' lives are on the line. Are you going to tell those that may die from lack of health care "Sorry, but Obama has to represent the GOP, not just you guys."? Because that is exactly what you are saying. If the GOP and the blue dogs get their way, America will die.

[NJmaverick]

12. The right thinks what is good for the right is good for the Country

I am not so arrogant as to believe that my ideology is perfect. I have seen others who believe their's is perfect and have been proven so wrong. I accept that I am human, humans are flawed and my ideology is almost assuredly not perfect.

[anonymous171]

13. And they are wrong. The left is not perfect, but their ideology is right.

Relativism has no place in politics. The right will never compromise with us. We should not compromise with them. Instead we should seek to destroy them or at the very least minimize their effect on electoral politics.

[NJmaverick]

18. Do you think it's possible that we are great at seeing the short comings of others

while being blinded to in in ourselves?

[tekisui]

21. I recommend the book "Why Social Justice Matters"

by Brian Barry.

We are on the right side of the fight. The conservatives are oppressive and wrong.

[NJmaverick]

23. Isn't a book just another opinion? I feel our side is generally right

or I wouldn't be on that side. however no book is going to convince me that one ideology is perfect while another is completely wrong. Considering we are dealing with flawed humans, that would be nearly impossible.

[tekisui]

25. Not really. It lays out the problems that are endemic to our

society. Racism and oppression are deeply ingrained and the only way to counter them is through progressive action. It isn't really opinion. It is just a question of priority.

[anonymous171]

31. How can you make that judgment? Isn't that arrogant in and of itself?

Who are you to say which side is "generally right?"

[HopeOverFear]

22. the negative pile-on replies just means they know you're right

and don't want to admit it to themselves. Kicked and rec'd. :)

[Forkboy]

24. If someone posted something racist and everyone piled on with negative replies...

...would that prove the OP is correct?

Not trying to comment on the OP itself, just your proof of what makes it correct. ;)

[NJmaverick]

26. If someone posted an accurate and reasonable post that showed the dems were doing something good

wouldn't it receive a negative response on certain boards that begin with an F? I am not saying the negative responders are freepers, but rather the reaction to an idea can be dependent on the crowd and it's mindset.:)

[Raineyb]

36. Bullshit!

This OP has done NOTHING but attacked those who dare say that the party is not entitled to a vote and that it should be earned. If you think the party is entitled to our vote then why pray tell should we bother trying to get them to move in any directions. Why don't we just let them do whatever the fuck they want and vote for them anyway? Because that is EXACTLY what the OP has said over and over again while attacking those who dare think that one's vote should be earned not just taken for granted.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

28. So do I. Sometimes I decide not to cross at all, or take a cab.

[JackRiddler]

30. No one has ever been MY president...

if you identify with elected officials on an irrational, emotional level where you speak of them as one would of monarchs, then that is most definitely your problem (and unfortunately also ours due to the widespread nature of this magical thinking).

[NJmaverick]

33. Good point

[Raineyb]

37. He's describing what it is YOU do. n/t

[NJmaverick]

38. Your arrogance extends to a delusion that you think you can read minds

sad

[Raineyb]

40. It's called reading comprehension. You should try it. n/t

[NJmaverick]

44. You are going on ignore

I have no tolerance for listening to the village idiot try and call me stupid.

[ClarkUSA]

39. Since when? The OP was not "irrational" and didn't speak of Obama "as one would of monarchs".

:wtf:

[Name removed]

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[ClarkUSA]

42. How on earth did you get all that from the OP? I just don't see it. The OP is very mature.

:shrug:

[Raineyb]

43. Have you SEEN his other posts?

Nothing exists in a vacuum.

[NJmaverick]

45. I have seen your other posts and it's clear your are rude and insulting

and the ONLY thing you are looking to do is start flame wars

[dimpol]

34. That's good

I have lost a good friend because he didn't look both ways