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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:30 PM
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Who here thinks men and women are exactly the same when it comes to sex?
I am asking because of some of the threads concerning older guys and younger girls.

My own life experience has been that when sex is involved guys tend to get kind of muddle headed. Girls, not so much. I honestly believe the chemicals in men are more likely to over ride reason than in girls.

Now, girls are more likely to be foolish over love, guys not so much.

It would be difficult to convince me that on average girls are pushed by sex drive just as much as guys.

I would say for girls it is like a chocolate craving where for guys it is like an alcohol addiction.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:31 PM
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1. Wow
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:32 PM
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2. .
:popcorn:
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:33 PM
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3. Ditto
:popcorn:
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 03:52 PM
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43. Pass some, will ya?
:popcorn:

this thread has real potential.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 06:28 PM
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74. Have you got any of that yummy tasting powdered cheese left?
:popcorn:
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 07:12 PM
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78. If there's going to be a community feast then shouldn't it be like communion, but with chocolate...
... instead of bread?

The presence of wine and absence of chocolate in traditional communion (which was created by men) could be interpreted as a very small piece of evidence in support of the OP.
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postulater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:34 PM
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4. Not me.
I know for sure. I've seen it myself.

Men have an outie. Women have an innie.
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:37 PM
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9. Oh, that comment's going to get you in serious trouble with the
"gender is only a social construct" crowd.

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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 03:22 PM
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35. GENDER is a social construct. SEX is not..
Ones SEX - male or female - refers to what biological organs you happen to have.

Ones GENDER - is something very different.

When we start talking about Gender Roles and their social construction, its only people trying to belittle the discussion that try to pretend that anyone is denying that there are different SEXES. There is Male SEX, there is female SEX, and guess what there is also intersex - as a biological difference of chromosome pairings.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:33 AM
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105. Most people born with a penis are male and identify as men and have male hormones
Most people born with a vagina are female and identify as women and have female hormones.

To try to deny this is to try to deny an essential facet of human nature.

Yes, there are intersexed people, but they are such a small percent of people that one can make generalizations about men and women while acknowledging that there are outliers.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:34 PM
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5. This ought to be an amusing discussion.
Edited on Wed Nov-25-09 02:35 PM by rucky
However, Democratic Underground does not acknowledge any biological or hormonal differences between men and women, nor their real or potential effects on behavior.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:35 PM
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6. You're just not meeting the right girls, my friend.
Stay thirsty.



:popcorn:
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:36 PM
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7. Men want quantity, women want quality
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 03:04 PM
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26. What a bunch of utter bullshit.
I don't want quantity, I want quality.

So there goes your theory.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 03:08 PM
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27. .
Edited on Wed Nov-25-09 03:08 PM by Political Heretic

.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 03:10 PM
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29. One man with a different viewpoint disproves everything ...
thank you Kirk Carmeron.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 03:11 PM
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30. It disproves an absolute statement, absolutely.
Edited on Wed Nov-25-09 03:14 PM by Political Heretic
If you want to change your statement to:

Some men want quantity, but other men want quality; Some women want quality, but other women want qunatity.


That would be fine, but fairly pointless to make.

Once you insert the words "most" in there, or leave out any qualifiers altogether, you've gone beyond what you can intelligently talk about.

For "most" - you are required to prove that you know what "most" people are like, which would require a plurality of cross-confirming research.

For "all" or the implied "all" - you must defend against any possible counter-example, which you've already failed to do.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 06:16 PM
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66. I guess those of us who prefer quality and quantity are just shit outta luck then, huh?
:popcorn:
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 08:06 PM
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85. Yeah. :) Good point, even further deconstructs the either/or assumption.
:)
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SacredCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 03:22 PM
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34. And if you want BOTH quantity AND quality?
:shrug:
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:37 PM
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8. Everybody is exactly the same is every respect. Any other answer is not politically correct.
And politically correct trumps reality every time.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:39 PM
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13. LOL +10
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:46 PM
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17. The premise that's offensive IS that everyone is the same
That all 'girls', as the OP calls them, are the same and all men are the same and therefore can be GENERALIZED with broad brush statements.

That's what is dumb in arguments like this.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #17
32. +1,000,000,000,001
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 06:18 PM
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67. This post wins the internet.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:48 PM
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21. Apples and cow patties.
The idea is that everyone has exactly the same civil rights, not that everyone is exactly the same.




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Gwendolyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:50 PM
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24. Ha ha... that about sums it up. :-)

To the OP: The differences between men and women are not as pronounced as has been advertised throughout history. In essence, young women are almost as horny as young men are. The whole "love" thing is often a smoke screen for what girls/women really want. That badboy probably is well endowed, and talented. However, it is men who are still responsible for hooking up and because they are the ones doing the penetrating, they're judged more on performance than women are. There's less reason for a woman to want to be with a "boy." They generally suck in bed. Most aren't any good till they move into the early twenties.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 03:20 PM
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33. except for sex offenders & pedophiles, they all have the same "pervert"
genes & should be killed.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 06:00 PM
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60. I agree!
The world would be much better place without sex offenders and pedophiles.
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dimpol Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 01:20 PM
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129. I Agree too
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 04:01 PM
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45. Bingo
don't bring facts into a gender based flame war.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:38 PM
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10. I can't even begin to imagine where you're going with this, but it should be amusing.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:39 PM
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Kind of a silly argument
I've seen all kind of people get completely mixed up or muddled over a bad relationship, male, female, gay, straight. People get mixed up at times where love and sex is concerned, it's part of the human condition.

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:39 PM
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11. I'd say that no two people, regardless of gender, are exactly
the same when it comes to sex. Generalities are rarely accurate.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:39 PM
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12. Why are the men in your OP having sex with girls?
Isn't that illegal?
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:42 PM
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15. +100
:thumbsup:
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 03:15 PM
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31. Edit. - actually the pairing, I see, is between Guys/Girls not Men/Girls
Edited on Wed Nov-25-09 03:17 PM by Political Heretic
Actually, in fairness, the pairing is between Men / Women in the subject line and guys/girls in the body.

Guys/Girls is not particularly eyebrow raising.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 03:35 PM
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38. Really?
"I honestly believe the chemicals in men are more likely to over ride reason than in girls."

Maybe I'm missing something. How old are "guys"?

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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 04:12 PM
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49. Sorry - the OP says Men/Women in subject, then Guys/Girls in body
...and then Men/Girls, apparently, in another part of the OP body that I missed.

So, perhaps it was just an accident. Or perhaps not.

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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 04:07 PM
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48. I'm sure he meant womyn
Edited on Wed Nov-25-09 04:07 PM by JonQ
Because that's the most important issue here.

So womyn having sex with "cock man oppressors".
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 06:21 PM
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69. Well, consider the source.
I would imagine the OP could't get within twenty feet of a woman without her laughing her ass off at him...as long as he keeps that mentality.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 07:15 PM
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79. exactly. nt
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 07:19 PM
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80. Ha! I was going to post that
I think that the poster is trying to be offensive, begin a flame war. Some people need to warm-up their holiday personalities before they gather with family tomorrow.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 11:37 PM
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102. Happy Thanksgiving, me b zola.
Hope it's a good one. :hi:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 03:26 AM
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122. You as well, Beth
I hope you are in loving company tomorrow. :hi:
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bobburgster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:42 PM
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14. Hmmm, I was going to give an honest opinion....
but after reading all the replies so far....I think I might be better off waiting a bit.

Pass the popcorn, please.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:45 PM
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16. There is a study that confirms this
"I honestly believe the chemicals in men are more likely to override reason than in girls."

I don't have a link. But, it was recent.
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hypocrisyandlies Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:46 PM
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18. Ok here is my serious response...
I can't say what sex is like for guys, or for the majority of girls. But for me, it is about the emotional connection. And I like to feel that I am needed. I doubt that it is the same for most men. Certainly not for my fiance. So, there you are. Take from it what you will.
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:47 PM
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19. Women are totally different - Women are Delicious men notsomuch n/t
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Prism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:48 PM
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20. Well, hormonal differences are surely present
Given that, there are differences between the sexes. However, everyone's hormone levels, emotional chemistry, and sexual history is too different to overly generalize. I know men who seem completely uninterested in sex and women who are practically Samantha from Sex and the City. There are too many X factors to be able to say anything concretely. From illness to substance abuse to diet to whether or not you're in shape. A thousand things affect it and no two people will be exactly the same, regardless of sex.

But that's all to the good. Keeps things lively.
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SacredCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 03:25 PM
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36. +1
Lively certainly is good!
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:49 PM
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22. I'm just here to watch, thanks.
:popcorn:
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 06:23 PM
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71. I had no idea you were into that.
:steals popcorn, adds more nooch:
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:49 PM
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23. Stop generalizing about 'girls' and men
You get yourself into trouble. All women aren't cut from the same cloth with exactly the same sex drives, desires, motivations and so forth. Same goes for men. That kind of thinking is lazy and superficial and can only get you in trouble in your interactions with actual human beings.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 06:23 PM
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72. Libido.
It matters. :thumbsup:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 03:02 PM
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25. Look at the difference between porn and romance novels
Edited on Wed Nov-25-09 03:03 PM by Warpy
They're both erotic literature, but the differences between them are astonishing, as is the labeling.

Yeah, we're different, all right, but each difference is a bell curve. Some women are more like men and some men are more like women in outlook, but the vast majority exhibit some pretty solid differences although enough similarity that we manage to mate and stick together long enough to get the kids past total dependence on us. At the other end of the bell curve are the men who don't think women are human, at all, just objects to be used at will and women who are so sappishly silly about romance and so phobic about sex they drive men away screaming after a first date.

But don't kid yourself about the difference between craving and addiction. Both sexes have the same drive. It's just expressed very differently.

Read porn and romance novels to find out how.

However, men who want to fuck girls are sick. The ones who chase after young women are normal.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 03:09 PM
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28. "Differences" like those you are describing are more a product of culture than biology.
Edited on Wed Nov-25-09 03:26 PM by Political Heretic
The reason I know this is because I am a man, and virtually no generalizations (i.e. stereotypes) about what men do, how men think, or what men want apply to me.

What's more, many of these cultural stereotypes about gender norms also have a generational component - many of these generalizations are horribly outdated and don't a apply to a great many modern women or men who are stepping out of historically accepted and constructed roles.

Human beings do have some biological and chemical differences, but they do not seem to "hard wire" any predictable behavior into any man or any woman. And for the most part, much of the generalizing we do reflects cultural norms, not some sort of biological hardwiring.

The proof of this, are all the many, many counter examples that exist to nearly every generalization about "how" men are or "how" women are.

Its important to remember this: SEX: M/F reflects the biological categorization of humans with what have been labeled "male" reproductive organs and humans with what have been labeled "female" reproductive organs. There are also humans with neither "male" or "female" reproductive organs and humans with both "male" and "female" reproductive organs.

Gender - now that's something entirely different, and refers to "roles" or how biological "men" or "women" tend to behave within society.

Gender and Sex are not at all the same.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 05:56 PM
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58. I tend to agree with you
although it would be a little foolish to discount the very real and often ignored actual real role of genetics in your actual behavior. There is a very power biological driver for you to engage in sexual activity, there is also some biological drivers to engage in certain types of sexual activity. For instance males tend to be larger than females. Biologically sexual dimorphism indicates certain sexual behavior will be more likely in a species than other activities. Although in humans this is not so pronounced. People also biologically respond to certain chemicals. People are often taught to perform in a certain gender role that biologically they are not driven for. Socially this tends to lead to bad results.
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 03:32 PM
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37. I hear the gravelly rasp of testosterone.
I surely do.



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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 03:39 PM
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39. this belongs to daytime talk shows, not DU
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haydukelives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 03:40 PM
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40. agree
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 03:43 PM
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41. Men win the lifetime horndog achievement award. It's true.
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3waygeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 03:49 PM
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42. In my experience, this is true....
neither want to have sex with me.
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 03:54 PM
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44. So basically
you are saying guys NEED sex but chicks just crave it?
Of course there are always exceptions, but I would agree with that as a general rule.
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 04:04 PM
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46. As a few people have pointed out
there are obviously going to be differences within both groups. But in general I would say yes, men and women are influenced by the desire for sex/relationships differently.
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dugaresa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 04:07 PM
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47. Women like sex as much if not more than men
men aren't as finicky as women though.

When your young, the hot young eager guy is just fine but as we age we tend to like a more full-bodied experience with our chosen mate.

The women I have met who don't enjoy sex (and there are very few in my circle of friends) are those who have only had lovers that do not meet their needs.

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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 04:15 PM
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50. Depends. There are men who want monogamy/romance, and women who want zipless 'sport' sex
So much of it boils down to social/environmental/gender conditioning and propaganda - the same reason people believe most of the stupid, inaccurate, oversimplified shit they do. At an innate level I suppose it speaks to which forms of social coercion more or less find vulnerable/susceptible biological hard-wiring for certain preferences to take shape, coupled w/a strong dose of shame-based peer pressure (marketing, organized religion, etc) ...but there are always exceptions to the rule. I know, and know of, women who've done far more outrageous/taboo/un-"romantic" sex things/situations than I know men who likewise have had any experience even remotely comparable...and I mean things of a sexual nature that, according to gender stereotyping, women aren't supposed to want, ask for, or enjoy.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 04:24 PM
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51. Boys have penises and girls have vaginas.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 06:01 PM
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61. Arnie sez, "Thanks for the tip."
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 04:29 PM
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52. I'm gonna call Vegas and find out
what the "over-under" is for number of posts on this thread before it's locked due to complete degeneration of the 'dialog'. I would guess...about 190.

:popcorn:
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 04:31 PM
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53. What's "sex?"
:shrug:
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 04:49 PM
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54. I don't believe for a second women have less of a sex drive
Women are just less likely to manifest it publicly in obscene behavior and nobody is too bright when their thinking with their dick or clit.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 05:10 PM
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55. desire has gotten me into far more trouble than i care to publicly admit
No, no .... I think you are wrong (says this woman ... who is old enough to know better .... but, seldom acts like she does.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 05:46 PM
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56. I'd answer but I'm romantically humping a chocolate bar and I feel too much
And my front hooking bra came undone and threw off my balance so I can't type and now I'm gonna cry.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 06:26 PM
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73. Oh great, now you've done gone and turned me on.
"I'm romantically humping a chocolate bar"

That was a good one. :thumbsup:
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 07:00 PM
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76. Absolutely
Plus, the moon is full, and I'm feeling bloated.

I'll see the OP's statement and raise it: Our society frowns on sexually aggressive women. There are guys who object to a woman they're not interested in simply being polite to them in a social situation. She's not into him, but he sure thinks she is...

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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 05:49 PM
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57. Generalizations
Each individual will have their own way. It is the control freak in some men that they want there to be a set of implacable rules assigned at biology, so they can know exactly how each woman will be so they can be in control.

Reality - each person is different and no one can be in control in these relationships. Get over that, and you can possibly have some fun. Keep trying to ascertain the "rules" and you will end up just with a bunch of women who think you're a jerk.

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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 05:59 PM
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59. Jesus God man, do you have some kind of a death wish?
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 06:04 PM
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62. I got a headache half way thru this thread.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 06:05 PM
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63. Hmmm. Too general.
Each person has different wants, desires and fantasies.

Chemicals? I'm iffy on that.

"I would say for girls it is like a chocolate craving where for guys it is like an alcohol addiction."

I can explain that. It's because women don't have to work as hard for sex as men do.
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Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 06:20 PM
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68. Women don't have to work as hard for sex
that's certainly true. That all by itself has to make it difficult to study the role of biology.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 06:31 PM
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75. My question about that
What of women doing so much more work to be attractive? You have to fix your hair, maybe dye it, diet and exercise, wear make-up - our faces aren't good enough as they are without help. We have to be very careful of what we wear, and wear revealing things. Since we have to work so much harder on our looks, it seems to be the other way round. Men are not interested unless we take drastic steps. Sometimes I think they doth protest too much. They think it unmanly to admit they really would rather go bowling with their buddies or something.

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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 08:23 PM
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92. I think women put that on themselves. Competition among themselves, like guys do.
Plus it's a lot of advertising from companies to sell their shit.

"it seems to be the other way round. Men are not interested unless we take drastic steps."

I disagree. Put a ugly 300-pound woman and and ugly 300-pound man and put them in the same bar. 1000 bucks says that the woman will leave with someone way before the man does.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:53 AM
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108. It depends on who your "pool" is
Some women have to give the full effort, other women notsomuch. Also, some guys expect it, other guys notsomuch.

(I dated a guy once who asked why I didn't dress like his friend's girlfriend. That was the last date right there.)
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 07:45 PM
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130. The effort seems to be mostly made by women
some guys may work out, though that may not be for purposes of being attractive to women.

Women make so much more effort, so it seems like men are not so hot as they claim to be. They need the woman to look young, be thin, have as perfect a face as possible - if they don't have to do that for women to be attracted to them, then maybe it is really women that have a higher sex drive (the reason it is socialized away so much in the patriarchy).
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:57 AM
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111. I can't think of a single woman I've been attracted to that wasnt beautiful without makeup
Edited on Thu Nov-26-09 01:08 AM by comtec
Tho for me it's always been about the person inside, not out, that has attracted me.
That they are all pleasant to look at has been an added bonus.

But I'm yet to see a woman who NEEDS makeup to look good.
Of course the effect make-up has on my already lovely wife is stunning- she is very sparing but the accents are amazing.

But yeah, the whole culture we have that says "LOOK THIS WAY" is really crap! (for BOTH genders)

But what do I know, I've always been attracted to the "odd" ones, being an odd one myself.

However I think it's a valid question to pose (valid in that he doesn't know, and wants an answer). And the discourse (half way) so far has been something approaching a civil and intelligent debate.

How can we understand each other if we don't ask questions?
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 06:08 PM
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64. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
k&r
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 06:14 PM
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65. If you were aiming for a world record of unrecs, I'm pretty sure you just got it.
I feel for you in a way. You OBVIOUSLY don't know women very well at all. That has to be lonely.
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 06:22 PM
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70. Women tend to confuse sex with love, men not so much so..
its just sex
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 02:46 AM
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115. speak for yourself. I definitely know the difference and I like both. -eom
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 09:20 AM
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126. reaDING post below, poster says his gf compares self to man. i have forever said i live more
the mans life.

spent decade and half wanting sex, no emotional entanglement. now married i am not into the romantic, my husband is. so i have said, i have more the male role.

this thread gets me to think

how fuckin conditioned are we women are left saying they are playing the "male role" in expressing their sexuality.

and we are the "unusual"
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 07:11 PM
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77. oh please, please let this be true so you can feel like a man.
no, you are wrong. but dont listen to a thread of people correct you. stay with the buddies that have to define themselves in this manner so they can feel like a man.

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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 02:49 AM
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116. The truth. We should let them think we never get all hot & bothered ogling studly 20 yr olds.
'cuz you know, we're all about the chocolate and cuddling and chick flicks and stuff.



:crazy:
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phasma ex machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 07:21 PM
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81. Women use sex for love while men use love for sex. nt
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 02:50 AM
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117. OMFG
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phasma ex machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 11:25 AM
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127. Was it good for you, too?
:popcorn:
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 07:22 PM
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82. You must not know very many girls.
Just a fair warning, your post will make a lousy pick-up line.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 07:36 PM
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83. If you want freaky find freaky. If you want rigid robot sex find a rigid robot. To each their own...
Just be on the same page with your partner. 'Tis all.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 08:04 PM
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84. I don't have much of a sweet tooth. I can take or leave chocolate most of the time.
But I'd run you over to get at some bacon!


(Feel free to extrapolate weird theories about my sex life from that all you like.)
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Mother Of Four Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 09:42 PM
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98. What about that Chocolate covered bacon?
Ew...just...ew.




Wait....it's actually oddly sensual! :wow:

JUST KIDDIN!
:rofl:
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:20 AM
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103. ew. not down with that!
Bacon-wrapped grilled scallops, on the other hand....:9


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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 08:12 PM
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86. This thread + PMS = disaster
I *really* should have listened to that little cautioning inner voice before I clicked on it :(
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 08:12 PM
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87. Grunt
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 08:15 PM
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88. Where do women who prefer alcohol fit in?
It's threads like this that make me miss the DUzy's. :popcorn:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 08:17 PM
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90. and may I join them?
:loveya: :beer:

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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 08:16 PM
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89. I'm gonna need a longer pole
I actually replied to this topic so apparently, my ten-footer isn't doing the job.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 08:35 PM
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93. Probably, but I think the OP swam away long ago.

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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 09:48 PM
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99. Swam?
Nah. Friends came over. I was socializing for a while. I'm back now.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 02:36 AM
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114. I swam home from school once when I was a child.
Maybe twice. :D

It floods here when it rains.


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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 08:18 PM
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91. If you think women are exactly the same as men, you may be screwing a transvestite.
Usually there are supposed to be different presents under the tree, depending.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 08:37 PM
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94. I love this thread
It is just wonderful.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 08:56 PM
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95. i think if all girls you meet have a low sex drive then just maybe YOU are doing something wrong
i'm a female and if you think females all have a low sex drive and it's about like the craving for chocolate, my friend, i'm sorry, but it says more about you than it says abt women

you're doing something VERY wrong if women "crave" sex with so little that you can compare it to the craving for chocolate

why do other men (and other women) have such a different view and different experiences? um, it's prob. because they're doing something to get their partner turned on and you're not doing it

i don't know what else to tell you, my friend, nothing in your post is going to make me run over there and give you lessons, because it's obvious you're doing something wrong and i think i'll continue to enjoy my sick twisted fun w. somebody who gets it right


if everybody's out of step but tim, maybe it's time for tim to find out what the problem is

everyone has a kink/turn-on/fetish that it's just like pushing a button and boom, you're turned on and desperate, but you don't bother to look for that kink/turn-on/fetish for your female partners (from the sound of it) and then you wonder why they fail to get excited




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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 02:55 AM
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118. Amen, sister. -eom
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 07:23 AM
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124. I never asked you for sex lessons. You totoally missed the point.
And my point it that I think mens judgment becomes more clouded than womens when it comes to sex. Especially with a new sex partner.
It's not as common to see groups of girls pursuing a guy the way guys will compete for the attention of one girl.

Do you get what I am saying now?

It is a big deal when a female teacher gets busted in a relationship with a high school student because it is not common for it to happen. Male high school teachers get in trouble for this kind of thing a lot more frequently.

In college one of the perks for the male professors is the fact they get to sleep with so many of their female students.

When I was in the military working as an A school instructor was highly prized position because every friday there were hundreds of young women graduating after 13 weeks of bootcamp. I have NEVER heard of women trying to get a job because it will give them opportunity to sleep with more guys.

Most any woman could go to any bar at any time and get laid in about 10 minutes if they wanted to, but mostly they don't. But that is exactly why men do go to bars all the time, and they are hoping to get laid.

And as for kink. Things don't change that much at pansexual events or BDSM parties or swingers clubs. At swingers events single guys are banned and single women are encouraged. Guys have to bring a girl or they can't get in. That is because the event will fill with single guys trying to get laid. BDSM parties have lots more guys than girls if the promoter doesn't stay on top of the guest list, and give the women a good reason to show up.

Ladies night at the bar. Cheap alcohol to encourage the women into the bar. Because for every female that goes into that bar there will be a handful of guys at that bar trying to sleep with her, and they will buy drinks. If a bar owner can get the women into the bar, he will make his money on all the men who show up. Bar owners do not get guys in the bar hoping it will draw women, that doesn't work, at all.

See what I'm saying?
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Brooklyns_Finest Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 09:07 PM
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96. Depends
It took me about three weeks to initially bang out my last girlfriend. She came up with so many excuses for not having sex too soon that I was ready to move on to someone more receptive. Once we finally started to have sex, she wanted it all the time. I mean like 4 times a day. As a 30 year old healthy man, I could not handle that much sexual activity. Eventually, sex with her became a chore to me and I had to break up with her. Never met any woman like her before.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 01:09 AM
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112. So you were ready to dump her cause you had to wait three whole weeks to 'bang' her...
then when she wanted more than your aging body could deliver, you had to break up with her.


Man, I don't even know where to begin... :rofl:
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 09:10 PM
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97. Around here..
... and in most "liberal" thought circles, it is believed that the only difference between a man and a woman is their naughty bits.

Ridiculous.
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Mother Of Four Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 09:50 PM
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100. Ok let me get this straight....
On second thought...nah.

People can only speak for themselves. I look at it this way....sometimes we all just have to have that chili dog with the onions and the works at the carnival.(Down and dirty just give it to me) but no one sane wants to eat that all the time. The same is true with rich and sumptuous foods from fine restaurants. All that rich food will eventually give us a bellyache, or we'll get so used to it it'll seem commonplace. (Candlelight, oils, super romance stuff)

We all swing from one extreme to the other, but the majority of us just want a well balanced meal that makes us full and feel good. (what you and your partner knows feels good to one another)




....


Where was I? Oh yeah. Dangit now I'm hungry.
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 10:04 PM
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101. Guys don't get pregnant
Point being, there are outside influences to biological sexual responses. There are no absolutes.

Very few carezza practitioners either.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:22 AM
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104. Who here thinks ANY TWO MEN or ANY TWO WOMEN are exactly the same when it comes to sex?
Duh!
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:38 AM
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106. This thread reminds me of an old Newlyweds episode, probably the funniest thing I've seen on TV.
They still show it on blooper shows.

Bob Eubanks: Where's the strangest place you've ever had sex?

Female newlywed: Um... In the buuuutttt...

Off topic... another funny I remember seeing live:

Richard Dawson to female contestant on Family Feud:

Q: In what month does a woman normally start to show her pregnancy?

A: ....September.

Richard Dawson fell to his knees and the show went to commercial, and when they came back, RD was still on his knees.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:52 AM
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107. The female orgasm is a myth!
:rofl:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:53 AM
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109. because of the double standard we'll never really know, will we?
simply put, women are just not allowed to be themselves when it comes to sex - we have to worry about shit men don't worry about
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:56 AM
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110. What is this sex of which you speak?
The guys, they forget about the sex and they need the viagra to do it and even that doesn't work.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 01:17 AM
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113. Easily, I have seen both males and females be "foolish over love".
In different ways, I'm sure. "Foolish over love" is a very broad category that encompasses a lot of behaviors.
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Joe the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 02:57 AM
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119. No way, men want sex ten times more than girls do. n/t
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 03:01 AM
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120. My current girlfriend compares herself to a man
when it comes to sex drive issues. She likes it a lot, does not confuse it with emotional attachment, and has no shame about her desire for wanting multiple sex partners. It's an insatiable physical drive for her.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 09:17 AM
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125. so many of us compare ourselves to a man, cause we are told we are..... when really we
Edited on Thu Nov-26-09 09:17 AM by seabeyond
are....

a post above said something about women has sex for love and men love is sex, or something stupid.

conditioned by society repeatedly, women are left with, guess just more like a man

no

human. and all have different sexual appetite and experiences at different levels.

why is it necessary for your woman to have to compare her sexuality to a man?

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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 03:21 AM
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121. The difference between men and women sexually is
men like scat play and women like cutting.

Anyone who says otherwise is taking political correctness to bizarre and ridiculous extremes.

Shit and razors, this is all you need to know.
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 06:47 AM
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123. Finally, somebody who can get to the heart of the issue.
j/k

I now know more about you than I would like to.

:crazy:
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lies and propaganda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:55 PM
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128. This was SO written by a DUDE.
Yes, as a women, I hate sex and passion and pleasure, I JUST WANNA BE LOVED!

chocolate and alcohol? first thread to make me LOL today!
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