One of the stupidest notions getting pushed: "If they're freed on the streets of NY .... "

[Stinky The Clown]

Does **anyone** think that has even the **remotest** chance of happening?

[Richardo]

1. No.

You and I are in agreement! :party:

[FSogol]

2. The RW talking points be thrown around about the trial are really ridiculous.

Sadly, many DUers seem to have taken the RW bait, hook, line, and sinker.

[Dennis Donovan]

3. Let 'em - they'll last 2 minutes, tops...

;)

[guitar man]

4. Exactly!

:thumbsup:

[Freddie Stubbs]

19. They will be safe if they take refuge in a fire station

;)

[sandnsea]

5. Agree with that

I think they could have no evidence at all and any US jury would convict. They actually might have a better chance with the military.

[HughMoran]

6. Not a chance in hell. Red herring.

Only a Republican could present such a stupid argument.

[bluestateguy]

7. No. Even if they are found not guilty

The feds will just find some other reason to keep them locked up.

Which of course assumes that a NYC area jury would acquit them. Um, no.

[catnhatnh]

8. Well,Stinky...

Time was when under law that was EXACTLY what would happen. In point of fact, if they are criminals, then torture and years of confinement without charges and legal representation would insist on this, or if "enemy combatants" then Geneva conventions apply as they would more properly be called prisoners of war. Enemy combatants has no legitimacy, nor torture any sanction under any US or international law. The Bush construct of a third category that named them as neither fish nor fowl is bullshit-even Adolph Eichmann on trial in Israel was not tortured. I have no idea how this will be resolved but I see no outcome that will not be a stain on my country's honor...

[Stinky The Clown]

10. My OP and your comment are totally compatible.

You're right. But our country's mood on this matter remains bloodthirsty.

And even if they're acquitted - or the charges dropped because of the torture - they will still be held on other charges.

Worst case possible (best case for them) is immediate deportation, and in my view that's less likely than my flying by flapping my arms.

[jberryhill]

9. LOL

You gotta wonder about the cartoon world some folks live in.

[lurky]

11. Haha! I think they imagine KSM will get a job selling falafel

at one of those Halal food carts that are all over New York.

[gordianot]

12. Corporate Media wants a new spectacle, all publicity will be provided free of charge.

If not free to walk the streets they will be free to dominate those who still watch corporate media.

[huskerlaw]

13. That's ridiculous

Even if they were found innocent (ha!) and even if we still let them go (double ha!), they would be deported. They're not US citizens. Finding someone innocent doesn't get them a Visa or a Greencard, for pete's sake.

The stupid, it burns.

[Historic NY]

14. No...Ny will ship them off to a Red state.

[Better Today]

15. Yeah, but in a nut shell you point directly to my concern. How can there be a fair USA trial

when the defendants are pre-determined by all to be guilty and unlikely to be freed in NYC or anywhere else.

I think they should have a trial in NYC or surrounding area, don't get me wrong. I'm just concerned with the idea that from Obama to Clinton (Hillary) to our pundits to folks on here, everyone is decided that the reason that it's okay for NYC to be the trial site is because we all have determined that they'll be found guilty.

[sohndrsmith]

16. The one I don't get is that their physical presence will make NY less

safe... I don't think their cohorts are intent on destroying them - then again, I don't pretend to understand how their hateful, violent thinking works.

It just doesn't make sense that their being in NY threatens NY. It's the millions of Americans in NY (and the rest of the US) they want to kill, I believe, all of whom don't seem to have felt the need to empty out the city because of them...

The legal issues of a trial are more confusing, I think... and I'm not sure, given the circumstances, a civilian trial would be all that useful. The reason for this, unfortunately, can be blamed on the previous administration and their treatment of these killers.

Actually, such a conflict might have a positive result - if it gives blatant provenance at how stupid and egregious and illegal such treatment was. How can these guys be tried as if they had typical arrests and charges? It's crazy... Bush really screwed this up, too. We can't just execute them, an ordinary criminal trial is inappropriate... what protocols do we have in place in our legal system for someone who's been tortured nearly 200 times? Exactly. Thanks, George.

[adamuu]

17. Recognized and torn to pieces by mobs n/t

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

18. Another myth, the circus within the courtroom. No TV coverage of trials in NY so

even if there would be hoopla in the courtroom, the only people who would see it are the ones present.

[kelly1mm]

20. If not, isn't this just a show trial? nt

[asdjrocky]

21. Oh please free them on the streets of New York.

Pretty please.

[vadawg]

22. you never know, thats the issue with a fair trial or not so fair, remember OJ

[Renew Deal]

23. So we should keep people jailed indefinitely just in case they are not guilty?

:shrug:

And these guys are guilty as can be. I'm not worried about it. If they are "freed" in NYC, they will be in danger, not NYers.