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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 07:53 PM
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Tim Kaine says Creigh Deeds lost for failing to energize his base.
I was interested in this post because it is a situation that is repeating itself throughout our party all too often.

Centrist Tim Kaine who is anti-abortion, anti-civil unions, and whose DNC refused to stand up against the Maine anti-gay amendment is blaming Creigh Deeds for not standing with his base.

Howard Dean's DNC donated $25,000 to the coalition fighting Prop 8 in California. Tim Kaine's DNC was specifically asked to donate to "No on 1" in Maine as well. They refused.

I think the DNC owes our community an explanation as to why Organizing for America didn't lift a finger (and President Obama barely did anything) to help defeat the anti-gay referendum in Maine today.


A little irony there.

Here is more from Down With Tyranny:

Tim Kaine Explains Why The Creigh Deeds Strategy Failed

Generally speaking, the outgoing governor of Virginia represents the Establishment or, in Paul Krugman's words about his kind of Democrats, "corporate tools, defending special interests." What he has in common with Dean, though, is that he's smart and he likes to win. There aren't many people better positioned to analyze the spectacular defeat earlier this month of conservative Democrat Creigh Deeds to succeed him in the governor's mansion. Deeds turned Obama's startling 6-point win in Virginia last year into an 18-point ass-whooping this year. How did he do what Republicans haven't been able to accomplish?

Kaine admitted Deeds was "unable to energize his base, falling into a Republican trap that led him to shrink from the president and his policies," exactly what Blue Dogs and cowardly conservative Democrats are doing across the country, where quasi-Democrats like John Barrow (Blue Dog-GA), Parker Griffith (Blue Dog-AL), Travis Childers (Blue Dog-MS), Glenn Nye (Blue Dog-VA), Bobby Bright (Blue Dog-AL), Frank Kratovil (Blue Dog-MD), Ann Kirkpatrick (D-AZ) and John Adler (D-NJ) are preparing to cede their seats to Republicans by re-enacting Deeds' catastrophic campaign strategy.

In a meeting with editors and reporters of the Washington Post, Kaine (D) said Deeds squandered the opportunity to sell his own appealing life story as a guy who had overcome long odds and economic disadvantage. Instead, the rural state senator took the advice of campaign consultants who wrongly assumed Deeds's Democratic support was solid and believed he should instead focus on wooing independents by attacking Republican Robert F. McDonnell.

"After the June primary was done, his advisers basically said, distance yourself from the president. We think we have our base locked down, we've got to win independents. And we're going to win by being negative about McDonnell," Kaine said. "That was the basic strategy they pursued, despite some significant urging to the contrary."


So actually Kaine is right...and his advice should be heeded by the others who are running and ignoring their Democratic base.

DWT continues with his own comment:

When Deeds declared he would opt out of the public option-- the public option being a winner nationally and an overwhelming winner among Democrats-- he opted out of any chance for a victory. What Deeds did was completely de-incentivize the Democratic base to turn out-- why bother if he's just going to be the same piece of crap as the Republican?-- and not only doomed his own chances but killed Democrats in state legislative races where a strong turnout from the base was essential.



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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 07:57 PM
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1. I don't ever want to see Creigh Deeds name on a ballot again
He's one of those pre-2006 "Professional Election Losers" from the Kerry-Cleland-(Jean) Carnahan wing of the Democrat* Party.

* Yes, that's right. I said "Democrat Party". Crappy candidates deserve to be called of the Democrat Party.
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 08:23 PM
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2. One of the many disappointments re: Obama. Howard Dean should have
been retained as head of the DNC.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 08:38 PM
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3. Creigh Deeds is not charismatic, not a good public speaker, and was poorly advised
to run a negative campaign. His opponent is charismatic (read: good looking with a nice looking family) and was able to claim he was a positive centrist.
He is NOT. He is a right wing tool, but he ran rings around Deeds.

Deeds wold have been better had he been HIMSELF, just as Al Gore for Pres would have done better had he been HIMSELF.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:23 PM
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5. I did not follow his campaign...
But I am gathering he tried too much to appeal to the other party's voters.

We have done that too often.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 08:12 PM
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19. nope deeds problem was that he went totally negative, and the pubs blow him outta the water
his ads about mcdonnell hating women were destroyed by the ads with mcdonnells daughter and the female prosecuters who worked with him. Deeds spent all the time and money attacking the pubs rather than saying what he was for...
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 08:59 PM
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4. Younger voters and black voters are infamous for not turning out in off year elections.
Same this year.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:31 AM
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10. yes, and I am greatly concerned about states like VA where Dems made inroads only to potentially see
them fall away when the name Obama isn't on the ballot. We have to keep trotting out a young or hip or non-white candidate to get some of them motivated to vote? Aye Aye Aye! The Obama-hate from the right is growing, they're effing insane with rage at him at this point, we need strong Congressional help to push through a progressive agenda - and our party's leaders should really go out of their way to promote these candidates several times with as much firepower as they can muster so we get some real change in this country - because this country is still too similar to what it was a year ago, and we need a strong Congress of REAL Dems!
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 08:53 AM
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14. Sorry, but the "Obama factor" doesn't really apply to VA.
Mark Warner and Tim Kaine won their gubernatorial races.

Webb won his Senatorial campaign.

These races were won largely before the general public even knew who Barack Obama was. Obama campaigned for Kaine -- but that was back in 2005, and like I said, your run-of-the-mill, low-info voter couldn't have picked Obama out of a crowd at this point.

Deeds sucked all on his own -- I'm not blaming it on low turnout, as non-presidential elections get low turnout every where and every time.

And it had nothing to do with "Obama" hate. Deeds was boring and then in the 11th hour, said that he'd probably opt-out of a public option.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 09:09 AM
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29. Kaine lucked out. His opponent insulted VA voters the week before the election. nt
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 12:55 AM
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6. He ignored Northern Virginia.
Huge phucking mistake.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 02:47 AM
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26. clearly
only now did i dare to look at the map...holy fuckin' DAMN

and the turnout in some cities and counties is beyond shameful...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/metro/elections/2009/governor-map.html
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emsimon33 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 01:21 AM
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7. It was the first election in my life where I didn't vote
I stayed home and will continue to do so as long as my party refuses to represent people and continues to do the bidding of the wealthy and against the best interests of the country.

Removing Dean and installing Rahm were two of the worse decisions Obama could make if he wanted to keep the base.
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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 01:26 AM
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8. Creigh Deeds was the worst candidate I have ever seen.
Didn't even hold my nose to vote for him. Stayed home.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 02:54 AM
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27. you didn't even want to go vote against Cuccinelli ??
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 02:56 AM
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28. funny thing is Cuccinelli is a crazy fuck, but hes also a real nice guy in real life
its wierd how the public and private personas of a person can be so different, and yet its the same person that you are just seeing in different circumstances...
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:26 AM
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9. Creigh seemed to be an energy-challenged candidate - however, they didn't seem to help him out too
much, now did they? On top of that, any damn organization that calls itself part of the arm of the Democratic Party, that doesn't help support Gay Rights is DEADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD to me. They can shove their request for support up their arses!

K&R 5
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 08:54 AM
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16. Deeds ran a lousy campaign...he is not articulate..I see more of Dean, than Kaine
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 05:22 AM
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11. I Don't Know What It Will Take to Bring the Democratic "Leadership"
into the REAL WORLD, but it better happen soon.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 11:13 AM
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17. yep! maybe they need to beg for Howard to come back...
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 08:08 AM
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12. Tim Kaine criticizing others for alienating the base!!?!?!?
Tim Kaine, a religionist bigot, is one of the main reasons that millions of us are boycotting the DNC and related organizations. So hearing is thoughts on 'the base' is an ironic moment indeed. Tim and Leah Daughtry and the rest of the haters of their fellow Democrats need to go get jobs with some Chruch organization where they can discriminate against their fellows until Jesus comes home. They should do that today, without hesitation if they have any desire to see this Party hold seats or move forward. Kaine is anti-choice, opposed to funding stem cell research. Anti gay. Anti woman. A promoter of religious divisions and petty prejudices.
Hey Tim, go get a real job, and let a real Democrat take your atavistic and hate filled place so it can be redeemed from the filth you have brought to our Party Chair. You are far, far to the right of every Democrat I know, all of whom support choice, civil rights, and science.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 08:14 AM
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13. +1
Righteous.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 08:05 PM
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18. +1
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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 08:19 PM
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20. Excellent Post!! n/t
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Umbral Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 11:05 PM
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21. I'll kick that. nt
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 11:24 PM
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22. + 1
Is he really a Democrat? GayTM at this location is closed
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shadesofgray Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 09:47 AM
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31. +1. Kaine was only marginally better than a repug would have been.
And thanks to their not only not hanging onto the base but doing everything they could to turn it off, Virginia will soon be a fundie theocracy.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 08:54 AM
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15. Who's Tim Kaine?
Does he have something to do with politics?
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 11:31 PM
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23. I think he's also known as Not Howard Dean. In fact I think that's what I'm calling him from now on....
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:07 AM
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24. I love it !!
Not Howard Dean it is...
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 02:29 AM
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25. say what??
It's not like Kaine was posting on DU, holding vigils for leftist political prisoners and protesting the SOA during his race...I recall him running from the very moderate/right lean... I certainly wasn't all hyped up in voting for him, but I knew the alternative if i didn't...Hell, I thought Warner was moderate but even he lit a little fire in me -- I actually voted FOR him for governor while i was just voting against the GOP in Kaine's race...

First of all, Kaine needs to do a better job of "owning" this loss as DNC head, especially since it's in our own fucking commonwealth instead of putting all the obvious blame on Deed's shitty advisors (and I'd like to know who those advisors were)...

Second, as much as it pains me to say it, no one seems to want to admit that the GOP saw an opportunity and treated this race with MUCH greater importance than the dems...They raised a shitload of money, bombarded my region with commercials, bumper stickers and a tailored variety of big signs for EIGHT WEEKS before I saw the first Deeds bumper sticker and the bottom line was they just needed it and wanted it more...And to their credit, they ran the damn-near perfect candidate with a smart strategy: popular, decent record, former military, and cozy with the power players in Richmond and Hampton Roads (that alone locks up 40-50 percent of the state's political power and he hasn't started campaigning yet)...And unlike the hate-spewing assclowns in lower races, McDonnell spoke extensively of bipartisanship, used VERY guarded language in criticizing Obama, and even praised him a couple of times...McDonnell also knew the standardized script for winning in Virginia, and he never wavered from it:

Incentives to lure more big business to the state (no matter what it takes; there's no depth the state won't stoop)
jobs jobs jobs
guns
more highways
more money for schools/universities
more toys for the police/being 'harsh' on crime (which is always code for "we'll put blacks and latinos in jail for even longer sentences after flimsier convictions")
NO NEW TAXES (most important of all...NEVER try to explain how you intend to accomplish all the previous shit without a tax raise...Once the term starts, just blame it all on the do-nothing legislature--You're only in for 4 years, anyways)
give some lip service to the immense military community
and just for good measure, when secure with the knuckledragger crowd, sprinkle in a few "abortion evil, christian nation good, queers bad, illegal mexicans bad, traditional female/family roles good, treehugging liberals bad, evolution false, raygun greatest president evar!"

--I swear I am to the left of Chavez, but by wearing a high-dollar suit and just repeating "the script", even I could someday be governor of this great commonwealth (but I'm holding out for senator)

I don't know if the Deeds camp thought the Nov. 08 Obama wave would carry them, or if they started believing all that bullshit in the media about the GOP being dead and incapable of winning a race for years to come...Either way, McDonnell had a 2-mile head start before they even left the starting line...


The third thing no one wants to remember from this race is the number of big-money establishment dems who switched to the dark side the day after McAuliffe lost the primary...Why more of those resources, money and brainpower were not given to Deeds, I don't know...I'm going to be honest; I have NO idea of the reasoning behind making him head of the DNC -- This so-called expert of knowing his 'base' needs to start rallying for a liberal mobilization soon, or else...
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 09:12 AM
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30. WE WANT DEAN!
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 07:32 AM
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32. My wife and I voted for Deed's. Here's what we knew
about him. He wasn't a republican.
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