Oh. My. Gawd!

[Stinky The Clown]

Pat Buchanan just said on Matthews' show what any thinking person knows: Khalid Sheik Mohammad's rights were *badly* violated when he was arrested. As a result, if we try to give him a *fair* trial, he could have the charges dropped.

Unsaid was that we should violate our own standards of justice so we can cook the guy.

No. I am NOT "supporting the terrorist". I am simply saying that we fucked this one up REALLY good.

[babylonsister]

1. Did he mention that KSM's rights were violated by the previous

admin through torture?

I didn't think so.

[AllentownJake]

5. Actually he did

He actually said under the last administration. Pat is a crazy piece of crap, but he is one of the more intellectually honest of the right wing asshats and when I say intellectually honest, Pat believes the nonsense coming out of his mouth more often than the rest of them.

[DJ13]

10. He has always been against the neocons

He was against Iraq from the start.

[AllentownJake]

12. He's an old Republican

and he was in a White House during a war. He may be an asshole, but Pat knows what the cost of war is on a nation and a Presidency.

[Captain Hilts]

14. And he was vocally against the Iraq invasion. nt

[tekisui]

2. In for a penny, in for a pound?

Pat's saying since we violated his rights, we can't possibly think of allowing him to access any now.

[CatWoman]

3. I picked myself up off the floor

just in time to read this thread!! :)

and what, may I ask, does Ron Christie bring to the conversation?

Other than a complete distraction?

[noiretextatique]

7. he's the black guy

wingers love it when their idiocy is spewed by a black person.

[Gregorian]

4. I'm watching it with the sound off just to study the visual propaganda. It's appalling.

It was as though they had no host or guests, but just slowly moving closeups of KSM's face. And at the end Matthew's scowling face. The production behind that show is created in order to visually push the viewer into a specific place of thought. Or I should say multiple thoughts.

What a sick pile our media has become.


PS- I'm only watching because Kucinich will be on. Otherwise I've never watched the show, and never will again.

[lapfog_1]

6. Actually, he is full of shit.

KSM was arrested FORMALLY by the Pakistani police. There was no requirement to read him is Miranda rights because we didn't arrest him. We did take informal custody of him, and had the FBI done it "by the book", he would have been told of his rights when we took custody, and not tortured.

Alternatively, under some ruling of the UCMJ, he could have been detained by our military and accorded all the rights of a military POW under the Geneva Conventions.

We did something else.

And now that it's time to try him for either terrorist actions or war crimes we can't.

But we are going to try anyway.

[kestrel91316]

8. "We" didn't fuck it up. BUSH did. Everything that man touches turns to shit.

[annabanana]

13. +1... Bush was the primary pooch screwer alright... And it's damn near

impossible to unscrew a pooch.

[Stinky The Clown]

20. By "we" I'm being egalitarian.

"We" is the country, with the government acting on our behalf. That's true in good times and bad.

I said a bazillion times that the bush by wasn't my president. Fact is, that was a state of mind, but not a statement of fact.

"We" is appropriate here.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

9. This guy will never see the light of day.

That's a given. Even Obama suggested as much when he said he would be executed. As long as we're all pretending there's a possibility charges could be dropped,
Obama should have never made that statement, even though it's the truth.

[Cant trust em]

11. Is the fear that since he wasn't Mirandized, that he'd be set free? nt

[Mira]

15. Rec # 5 I heard it too and for the same reason my blood ran cold N/T

[Atticus]

16. This is the kind of shit we should expect when we allow a man with no integrity and the IQ of a

houseplant to occupy the White House. "Failure to impeach" is the sin that will forever stain this generation's reputation.

[spooky3]

17. So his mommy taught him two wrongs DO make a right?

Interesting also that Patty admits the suspect's rights were violated.

[MadMaddie]

18. No the previous * administration fucked it up for 8 years we need to lay

the blame where it belongs.

My Repug coworkers 3 of them all very young 23-35 believe that we should have prosecuted them at Guantanmo. They even said all of them plead guilty, I then asked did they plead guilty while they were tortured? They didn't have an answer....I also asked them how many tribunals were held and how many convicted? Again they had no answer....I answered for them ZERO, I asked why were they tried and sentenced they said there was no need to because they plead guilty. (At this point I am looking at them like they have lost their minds)

I then asked them why is it that we are exporting the American Democratic brand of justice to Iraq and Afghanastan why isn't our legal system good enough to prosecute them, especially since the DOJ has had such a high success rate?

Okay last one...they said we shouldn't prosecute them in New York it's an insult they are war combatants. I said we never declared war.....they said yes we did....I said no we didnt....get this...they said but Congress approved all of the money....and I said without a declaration of war.:banghead:

Anyhoo I asked them where were the Nazi's tried and convicted? They didn't know, I replied Nurmemburg Germany. One of the replies was they were soldiers and I replied that's not the point......

[Atticus]

19. Keep swingin'. My money's on you! nt

[MadMaddie]

21. Thanks Atticus!

:hi:

[orwell]

22. So I guess...

...Pat Buchanan is smarter than Eric Holder.

I guess Buchanan's years at Justice give him some special insight into federal trials that the DOJ doesn't possess.

And of course Pat is a disinterested third party who has no agenda here.

Yeah, let's all get our legal information from BatShit Pat, Nixon's buddy.