Does anyone else suspect that the role of the President

[branders seine]

is just to be a functionary? A sort of PR frontman for the status quo PTB?

[undeterred]

1. If that were true Hillary Clinton would know it

and she wouldn't have worked so hard at running for president.

[branders seine]

3. Even if it's a quite lucrative functionary role,

but a functionary role nonetheless?

[EFerrari]

5. Are you serious?

Is Secretary of State not also a fronting job?

[undeterred]

9. Is there any difference between Condi and Hillary?

[EFerrari]

28. I have a hard time seeing HIllary Clinton covering for BushCo.

But that was Condi's job.

[EFerrari]

30. You know what, I don't want to upset you over this. Never mind. n/t

[FiveGoodMen]

2. Certainly looks that way.

One hopes that breaking out of that mold is possible.

But I no longer expect that from our current president.

[branders seine]

4. Seriously, couldn't we tell the day he named Summers and Geithner

that it was all over but the posturing and the chicanery?

[FiveGoodMen]

6. I tried to be optimistic, but yes, the writing was on the wall that early.

[grasswire]

7. it breaks my heart to agree

I see the young people becoming so disillusioned. They believed in democracy. They believed in Obama. It was all a charade.

[guitar man]

8. Yeah

"...no matter what promises you make on the campaign trail - blah, blah, blah - when you win, you go into this smoky room with the twelve industrialist, capitalist scumfucks that got you in there, and this little screen comes down... and it's a shot of the Kennedy assassination from an angle you've never seen before, which looks suspiciously off the grassy knoll.... And then the screen comes up, the lights come on, and they say to the new president, 'Any questions?"

Bill Hicks

[branders seine]

10. bingo.

ever since Kennedy, the whole thing has been a charade.

[valerief]

11. Shareholders own a company and its president oversees the company to

the advantage of the shareholders. I imagine the Empire of the United States works the same way. Who are the shareholders? I guess the very richest people in the world.

[SammyWinstonJack]

23. Yes exactly.

[NRaleighLiberal]

12. I think that they have "the talk" with the pres. early on...then that's all she wrote.

[branders seine]

13. how could anyone continue to function in that situation?

[NYC_SKP]

14. I certainly had that feeling with Clinton.

He wasn't my preferred choice in the primary, but I was happy he won.

But only a few days into his first term, I was thinking seriously that he'd had "a talking to" that led to a change in him.

:shrug:

[conscious evolution]

16. There is no talk

He is one of them from the get go.
The PTB would never let someone who is not in their pocket in the first place even get near the presidency.
Sure they allow some real independants,democratic and republican alike, run but they will never allow them to get far.

[slipslidingaway]

18. + 100 ...

"The PTB would never let someone who is not in their pocket in the first place even get near the presidency."

:thumbsup:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. Mark Twain

"History has tried to teach us that we can't have good government under politicians.  Now, to go and stick one at the very head of government couldn’t be wise." - Mark Twain

[bridgit]

17. Let's ask a guy that knows everything there is to know about being POTUS

[NRaleighLiberal]

19. Is that Octomom at his right? or is she about to chuck him the bird?

[Raine]

20. Yes, more and more

day by day ... sadly I've come to that conclusion. :-(

[timeforpeace]

21. No, many presidents have been effectual. Depends on the person.

[Uncle Joe]

22. Yes, but at the same time we still can't quit because when you give up

that's how they win.

The two primary strategies used by the corporate supremacists/PTB to rule over or control "We the peoples'" government are "attrition" combined with "divide and conquer."

The cynicism runs in cycles as each generation discovers disappointment or dejection of the limited political ability or shortcomings of their champion candidate or the office.

The status quo you speak of lives and thrives off this cyclical cynicism, when it ebbs the people get a sympathetic PR front-man, when it reaches high tide, the people get a cold blooded, corporate supremacist, fascist loving autocrat.

I believe the only way for the people to win long term and get the effective progressive change that best represents their interests is to stay on the offensive, no matter as to who is in power, remain hungry, resolute and committed.

My ultimate conclusion is that much more unites the American People; than divides them, but the PTB; you speak of magnifies any and all differences as a means to wield or manipulate power, so above all remain united regardless of emotional or cultural whirlwinds trying to rip us apart.

Thanks for the thread, branders seine.

[branders seine]

24. the sea ebbs and flows, but

it never changes...

[Uncle Joe]

25. Sure it does, that's just another reason as to why we must persevere.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/searchresults.html?q=ACIDIC+OCEAN+SEA&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com&sa=Search&domains=democraticunderground.com&client=pub-7805397860504090&forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT%3A%23008000%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BVLC%3A663399%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3A336699%3BALC%3A0000FF%3BLC%3A0000FF%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A0000FF%3BGIMP%3A0000FF%3BFORID%3A11&hl=en

[branders seine]

26. Ummm...

article

[Uncle Joe]

27. Yes,

I know the ebb and flow was a metaphor based on my post, but my point still stands.

When the tide ebbs we can look for clams or build sand castles, when it's up we surf, if we need to build dikes like the Dutch or homes on stilts or boats as some Asians do, then so be it.

Cynicism like the ocean ebbs and flows but we can either expect that dynamic and take control of the situation by being emotionally resolute and relentless in spite of the sea's cyclical nature and adapt to fighting against those cycles or give up and quit.

I can only guarantee you one thing if we quit, those PTB will absolutely win, if we keeping fighting maybe we'll catch a few fish.

[branders seine]

29. now, tides expose waste

and fewer and fewer living things


I'm there fighting alongside you.

[DailyGrind51]

31. Corporate money has made it so, much to the detriment of our nation.

[anonymous171]

32. No. We just need to stop electing corporate whores to office.

[arcadian]

33. The night Hillary dropped out and Obama became the front runner.

Remember Obama and Hillary were in Northern Virginia, Obama ditched the press at Dulles airport. The Bilderberg group was meeting in Chantilly, Virginia only a few miles away. I'm convinced Obama attended this meeting.

[niyad]

34. certainly ever since kennedy, I really believe it.