Chris Matthews should be fired for his Offensive Interview of Bishop Tobin

[Fuzz]

By Deacon Keith Fournier
11/23/2009

Catholic Online

Matthews showed how inept he is as an interviewer, how misinformed he is as a Catholic, how rude he is as a person and how threatened he is by the Moral truth.
WASHINGTON, D.C. (Catholic Online) – When I discovered that Chris Matthews of the program Hardball was going to interview Bishop Thomas Tobin on the continuing saga of Congressman Patrick Kennedy, I knew I had to watch. Bishop Tobin has courageously - and with a Pastor’s heart - tried to help Congressman Patrick Kennedy to see the dangerous error of his failure to defend the fundamental Right to Life. The Congressman is one of far too many unfaithful Catholics in public life who do not demonstrate moral coherence in their exercise of public office.

After sitting through several segments, I should have known from the “tease” to the segment which I was awaiting where this arrogant, self centered commentator intended to take this alleged “interview”. He repeatedly “teased” to the segment by incessantly repeating the term “Abortion rights” and indicating that he was going to interview Bishop Tobin who was "punishing" Congressman Kennedy for supporting “abortion rights”. There are no “abortion rights”, only human rights. I cannot listen to that phrase “abortion rights” without instantly responding.

The claim of a so called “right” to abort an innocent child is heinous. It is also a fallacy to couch this evil in the language of a woman’s “Right to Choose.” Some choices are always and everywhere wrong. Yet, that is the current state of the positive law in America since the horrendous decisions in Roe and Doe. Women can “choose” to take the life of our first neighbors, the ones who live where we all once lived, in the womb. That “choice” - which is always and everywhere wrong because it is the taking of innocent human life - is also currently protected by the Police Power of the State.

Abortion is the only example of taking innocent human life which is so protected by the Police Power of the State. It has a special status as some sort of "super right" in the American libertine culture and the dictatorship of relativism. Imagine if the positive law created a so called “right” to kill three week old babies because the Supreme Court said it was OK. There is no moral difference. Abortion is feticide in a new language intended to make what is evil sound acceptable.

In an Orwellian effort to change the debate and assuage their consciences its’ advocates have fashioned a “rights language” to make it somehow sound enlightened. It does not work. Science has confirmed what our conscience long ago told all of us, the child in the womb is one of us. She is our neighbor. It is always wrong to kill an innocent neighbor. This truth is written on our hearts by the Natural Law which all just positive laws should participate in and not abrogate. Intentional abortion is wrong and should be illegal in a just society.

The notion that the act of intentionally killing of an entire class of human beings should be called an “abortion right” is despicable. Only human persons can have “rights.” Governments do not create them, they can only recognize them. The act of abortion is a heinous crime. It has no "rights.”

The shorthand phrase “abortion rights” is a linguistic tool used by some journalists like Matthews to further the abortion deception. Even if the positive law of the United States has placed the Police Power behind protecting the evil “choice” to take innocent human life in the womb, one simply cannot have a “right” to do what is always wrong.

Matthews finally did have the good Bishop on his show. It quickly became clear that he intended to pummel him, browbeat him and try to persuade him to abandon the truth and excuse the error which Matthews has embraced. In his grandiosity and arrogance Matthews proceeded to talk over the Bishop, interrupt him, cut him off, and try to lecture him in a condescending manner on “the law”. He repeatedly tried to force him to answer loaded questions. He finally had the audacity to suggest that the Bishop needed to rethink his position.

MSNBC should publicly apologize to the Bishop and Matthews should be fired for his lack of professionalism. To not give this good and intelligent man, this Bishop of the Catholic Church, an opportunity to speak, after inviting him on this show, was inexcusable.

I hope Chris Matthews is reading this article. If you are Chris, here is my heartfelt personal message to you, “You should be ashamed of yourself. You need to get right with God and with your Church”.

Matthews feigned respect by repeatedly calling the Bishop “Your Excellency”, but his manner of proceeding revealed he has no respect for the Office. Matthews, a professing Catholic, also does not understand his own faith. He does not understand that his own Church’s unwavering opposition to the taking of all innocent human life at every age and stage is the ground of every social justice issue.

At several points in this frustrating interview, as the Bishop was trying to help Matthews see that the defense of the Right to Life is a "Natural Law" position and not simply "religious", Matthews simply cut him off and continued his ill mannered browbeating.

Yet, in spite of Matthews asinine effort to claim that morality has nothing to do with the law, the Bishop at least succeeded in showing that morality is the foundation of much of the positive law. He used a few salient examples such as our prohibiting in the law the killing our neighbor, stealing his property or beating him up. Matthews would hear none of it.

Chris Matthews was not interested in interviewing Bishop Thomas Tobin. In this embarrassing excuse for a program he showed how inept he is as an interviewer, how misinformed he is as a Catholic, how rude he is as a person and how threatened he is by the Moral truth as taught with conviction and courage by his own Church.

Chris Matthews should be fired for his offensive and impolite Interview of Bishop Thomas Tobin. Then, he should sign up for the Right of Christian Initiation of Adults (RCIA) and learn the Catholic faith all over again.


http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=34908



And the picture they show is hilarious.

[spanone]

1. i think the catholic church should learn to live without their tax exemption

if they want to play politics more power to them, but don't pull that shit while you're paying no fucking taxes

[RKP5637]

3. EXACTLY!!! n/t

[G_j]

8. yep

[HughMoran]

13. absolutely

I think the government should issue them a gag order (or they lose their status)

[Atticus]

18. Absolutely---They can play politics or play God---not both! nt

[keroro gunsou]

42. i think it's in the bible

you can only serve one master. god or mammon. your choice.

[Atman]

31. +1 more

.

[Bitwit1234]

32. Someone posted a link to an IRS complaint form.

It has a lot of stuff to fill in that isn't easy to find. They should make it easier to file a complaint. If everybody on this site sent a complaint about the Catholic Church and all churches messing in politics, I think the IRS would maybe get a handle and start investigating.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

39. PULL THE EXEMPTION NOW

[Ilsa]

53. Count me in as agreeing 100%. nt

[donheld]

55. Yes indeed

[Subdivisions]

62. That's what I was thinking when I was watching Tweety interview

the head of the Catholic League at the beginning of today's show.

[anonymous171]

65. I believe they are still allowed to promote their moral views

They just cannot endorse individual candidates.

[ProfessorGAC]

86. Wish I Could Recommend A Single Post

Well said.
GAC

[saltpoint]

92. Sounds like a plan. If a religious organization wishes to practice its

faith in this country, the Constitution greenlights their right to do so.

The same document prohibits interference with public policy forged by democratically-elected representatives of ALL the people, not just Roman Catholic people.

It's real clear that the RC Church is threatened by the realization that it has to work far harder to bully public officials than it ever had to in the past. Congressman Kennedy was doing his job. He was afforded both the privileges and the responsibilities of a member of the Congress and he was fulfilling them handsomely. Good on him.

And bad on Bishop Tobin who speaks only for his flock, and on several key issues, not even for all of them.

[Christa]

97. My thoughts exactly. nt

[MH1]

98. +1

[UTUSN]

2. Tweety should have been fired for *many* things, but this is DOWN the list!1 n/t

[Fuzz]

4. You got that right.

[ellie]

27. I was just going to say the same thing

[tabatha]

35. I think he did very well.

[glinda]

57. Tweety did real well especially balancing as a Catholic and a News person.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

37. Actually this is one of the very few times where he should be applauded. He asked a simple

question and the guy danced all around it.

[HughMoran]

46. It was a simple question, but he framed the question masterfully

He put quite a bit of effort into getting the knucklehead to stay within the scope of the question. It was an argument I know he's wanted to have the opportunity to make for many years - this was a once in a lifetime opportunity for him.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

48. He did it in the most respectful way possible too. I don't think I could have maintained

my composure.

[HughMoran]

49. That's what made me think that he'd put some thought into this

He seemed to be ready for any and all diversionary tactics. He was 100% professional - I especially liked his oft-repeated "your excellency" - that was almost funny IMO.

[eleny]

5. LOL!

Poor Tweety. Maybe they won't let him take communion, either.

[Name removed]

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[RKP5637]

20. Catholic Church= Money, Power, Control, Manipulation, Indoctrination, Torture, Brainwashing, etc. nt

[HughMoran]

7. Tweety taught that hypocrite a lesson

I'm sick and tired of these religious leaders thinking they have power in this country. They don't - they're no better than you or I (as it should be with followers of Jesus) and they should lose their tax-free status if they can't get over themselves.

[saltpoint]

9. It would appear that a certain very well-established wing of the

Christian Church did not care to be challenged by Tweety.

I did hear the interview.

I think Tweety did just fine.

The Bishop did seem a bit flustered.

[RKP5637]

23. I thought Tweety was fine too. These guys invoke the god word and expect all to bow to them. BS! n/t

[saltpoint]

26. They enjoy revoking communion for Democratic pro-choice candidates,

and forget that a significant part of their flock VOTE for those Democatic pro-choice candidates, and likely will continue to support Patrick Kennedy, not despite his views on choice but because of them.

[glinda]

58. Witch Hunting Season on Kennedy. So how does his Excellancy feel about those that

deny people Health Care or is he "for" people who send people off to War. What an idiot. How about "lying"? Pretty much everyone should be denied Communion on that one.

[saltpoint]

91. Been a whole lot of communion-denyin' goin' on!

:thumbsup:

[Ignis]

100. I'm not a Tweety fan, but he did well here.

And you're right: He wasn't disrespectful, he just acted (at least temporarily) like a journalist.

You remember back when they let journalists speak on the teevee, don'tcha? ;)

[saltpoint]

101. Agree, Ignis. Matthews knows how to do it when the spirit moves him.

I thought he was hard-hitting but above-the-belt on this interview, and Tobin looked really unprepared.

[Ignis]

102. Which leads me to wonder...

Did Tobin really walk in expecting a completely powder-puff interview?

I mean, I'm no bishop, but I certainly would have been expecting the interviewer to ask questions along those lines.

[saltpoint]

103. Agree again. Maybe Tobin figured the state of media journalism was so

spineless that he wouldn't have to break a sweat in making Congressman Kennedy look bad.

He must have thought it would be a blackmail job he didn't have to scuff his jeans for.

Matthews, himself a Catholic, evidently saw the discussion differently!

[Ignis]

104. Maybe he was counting on Chris' being a good boy.

You know, toss him a stern look now and then and he'll get back in line. Old training dies hard. :D

But the joke was on him, because Catholics like Matthews have to deal with the scorn of their peers every time the Church pulls a bonehead move like this, so they have a vested interest here.

[grantcart]

10. I wish he had also asked the Bishop if he also wanted to criminalize adultery

since that is also against the Moral truth that the Church preaches.

[ddeclue]

11. Deacon Fournier can jump up my ex-Catholic ass.

I'm sick and tired of the church trying to dictate their religious views to others.

If they want to engage in politics, they need to get out of the religion business and pay taxes like the rest of us.

[ruggerson]

12. The entire Catholic leadership should be jailed for crimes against women and gay folks

n/t

[RKP5637]

24. And crimes against children too!!! n/t

[glinda]

59. And for Tax-Evasion. Fraud.

[rwheeler31]

14. Did Catholics go after Bush on death ? What doofus

women hating morons. They do not understand politics or religion.

[MadMaddie]

15. Awww the Catholic Church wasn't able to dominate and

bully Chris Matthews...

[HughMoran]

16. Holy crap (pun intended), who's unreccing this?

:wtf:

[moc]

17. This Catholic thinks Matthews did just fine.

This Catholic appreciated seeing that pompous ass Tobin put in his place.

:toast:

[louis c]

19. If abortion is murder, what's the penalty for a 20 year old woman who has one?

That's the question that always gets them. Life in prison? The chair? 20 years?

Well, if it has no punishment, how can it be murder?

Separation of church and State. Period.

[gratefultobelib]

33. Good point. I intend to use it!

[Adsos Letter]

21. ...

:nopity:

[SoCalDem]

22. Perhaps the catholic officials should be as harsh with their pedophile priests

:rofl:

[HughMoran]

28. Conflict of interest

:rofl:

[stopbush]

25. The Bishop's words rang so hollow during this interview. They sounded so incredibly stupid.

Imagine, saying that a religious American's FIRST loyalty is to his church, not his country! That's exactly what this believer in fairy tales said.

It is amazing to watch people like "his excellence" as they go through their smug power trip based on the wild fantasies of religion. To assert that you have ANY kind of authority when that authority is derived from a bunch of childish lies, lies that at their core display a self loathing that is as regrettable as it is embarrassing, is the apex in self delusion.

Well, all I can say is, "thanks for the trip to Romper Room, your excellence!" You suck, your church sucks and your religion sucks.

[dgibby]

69. a religious American's FIRST loyalty is to his church, not his country!

Sooooo, the Bishop agrees with Major Hasan? And I thought it was politics that made strange bed fellows.:evilgrin:

[Cha]

29. The Catholic hierarchy..whining again.

They need to butt their religion out of our country.

[glinda]

60. The Pope probably requested he do this.

[quiller4]

76. Actually the National Council of Catholic Bishops told Tobin to cool his

jets and he blew off his superiors. He should remember what happened to the bishop who took on Biden. I expect Tobin's retirement to be announced just before Christmas.

[RagAss]

30. I love it when people shout down grown men who live off of fairy tales !

When is this religion shit going to just go away !??

[RKP5637]

34. Not until Americans grow up, mature and quit believing religious fairy tales and

indoctrinating their kids and anyone that crosses their paths. Many Americans are both ignorant and immature IMO.

[dgibby]

70. After the Rapture!

That's the only way we'll ever get rid of them.:rofl:

[K8-EEE]

36. WAAAAAAAAH! Did he think he went on Nerf Ball??? IT'S CALLED HARDBALL

What a bunch of fucking babies!! Why the hell should we walk on eggshells around them?

Yes let them take all our rights and bow to them while they do it....FUCK SANCTIMONIOUS BULLSHIT! I'M SO GLAD I'M OUT OF THAT CHURCH!

[CAG]

38. and yet, after all of this, this author STILL does not answer the question Matthews

was trying to get the priest to answer. A young woman has an abortion; what should be her penalty?

They simply don't want to answer that, because they don't want us to know what they think should happen to such a person.

[The Doctor.]

40. So Tweety somehow embarrased them.

Cool.

[alittlelark]

41. Link to video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZPl8EJwAmc

[donco6]

43. Irony:

When I click your link, I get an ad that says "Choose your child." I was wondering if it was like a Christmas catalog for pedophile priests. Then I got through that, and the banner ad on the Catholic Register was for birth control.

Never did get the article.

[rhett o rick]

44. I am not a big Mathews fan, but I am proud of him for not allowing this man, and he is only a man,

to intimidate him. Those that believe that God only recognizes Catholics are delusional. Chris pointed out quite well that the Church has no business in politics. Our founding fathers agreed as the Constitution reflects. Chris may have to answer to God, he certainly doesn't have to answer to the Catholic Church.

[rhett o rick]

45. How ironic that the Catholics seem to want to crucify Mr. Mathews for not bowing down to their

God. Hmmm, where have I heard that before?

[glinda]

61. Will Tweety be banned from Communion now?

[BrklynLiberal]

47. HAH! I don't THINK SO!!!!!

[davidpdx]

50. Poor Matthews

It makes it sound like he should have bent over and kissed the Bishop's ass instead of questioning him. Glad to hear he doesn't have the brown stuff on his nose all the time.

[jillan]

51. In other words being Catholic means you don't have any regard for what is legal and what is not?

Because the last time I checked, Abortions are legal.

I am not a fan of Chris Matthews but today was the first time in a long time I was proud of him and was so happy I decided to watch his show.

[glinda]

63. Apparently being Catholic means you control all other people and Religions and beliefs.

The argument tonight is that they rule this Country if not the World. Man, I almost liked the Church with the last Pope. Now I am totally turned off.

[OHdem10]

52. No disrespect, but Chris did NOT browbeat anyone.

Could it be that even you would have difficulty answering the question.

If you have a LAW against Abortion. Having an abortion is a CRIME???
If a woman or young girl breaks this law, then what should be the punishment.

If the Doctor breaks the law , then what would you recommend as punishment.

He could not or WOULD NOT answer this.

Finally he admitted there would have to be punishment if you have a law.
I think we all realize a law without punishment is some sort of
symbolic something--I cannot figure out what.

Chris was careful to stay respectful. He did say In a Secular Coontry,
it is best to "Render unto Caesar(Gov.) what is Caesar's and
Render unto God what is God's.

Chris was very focused but not at all disrespectful.

Add: It has been my observation that many (when speaking of
ending Roe V Wade ) start to squirm and change the subject
when directly asked do you want to make girl and doctor criminals.
They will not answer what should be the punishment.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

73. there are videos of anti-abortion protesters being asked what the penalty should be.

They look clueless and refuse to state that the woman or doctor should go to prison.

A strange disconnect.

[CTyankee]

90. I go further and point out that if abortion is "murder" then a woman who hires a doctor

to perform one is like hiring an assassin. It is "premeditated murder" and calls for even harsher penalties than just "murder."

For some reason they just can't follow the logic that is plainly in front of them...

[napi21]

54. I think Chris did the best argument I've ever heard against

the "pro-lifers"! I sent him a note of thanks!! He's right you know. The Bishop and all his ilk should stick to teaching and let the legislating to Congress!

[Webster Green]

56. Fuck the Bishop and the Catholic Fucking Church!

The Catholic church is one of the most evil fucking hoaxes ever dreamed up. :thumbsdown:

[malaise]

85. +1

and I was one of them.

[TexasObserver]

64. Recommended ... because the world needs to see the Catholic Church as it is.

Which is a gigantic fascist organization run my old men who shouldn't be running a senior citizens' community association, muchless anything with power and money.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

66. Respectfully, Deacon......

....FUCK YOU and your church that covers up abuse!!!!

[Blue For You]

67. Note to Tweety: Atheism is your friend.

;-)

[burning rain]

68. There is no natural law.

The Roman Catholic Church tries to push its own biases under that bullshit concept, which seeks to portray the Church's notions as great secular universal truths that everyone should have to accept as a matter of law.

[kevinbgoode]

71. The Bishop is a foreign agent of Vatican City

and so I'm puzzled as to why he would appear on ANY American program to talk about anything but the propensity of pigeon poop becoming a health threat on Vatican Square.

Apparently the U.S. media believes someone cares what these foreign agents think about American politics.

[Withywindle]

72. I have new respect for Matthews because of this.

All he did was ask the guy to stand up for his convictions: do you impose punishing women, or not?


Meanwhile, there was a priest who did this to Kerry back in '04, for the same weakass reason.

Meanwhile, AFAIK, Catholic Church teachings officially also oppose the death penalty, pointless war, and callous indifference to the poor and needy. If they **weren't** total hypocrites, how many Republicans would be barred from their sacraments?!?!?

[agentS]

74. This is why the Pro-life movement SUCKS!!!!

If the logical conclusion is to ban abortion, then there would be a need to punish those who participate in abortions.
That is the crux of Chris Matthews' argument. And the fact that catches the Catholic bishops off guard tells us 2 things.

1) They haven't thought it out clearly. Sure, they'll say "Punish the doctor." but what if the woman performs a self abortion? Or has one overseas? What penalty should be proscribed? Because AFAIK, attacking or terminating illegally a fetus is a felony in most states that warrants the death penalty. How's that Pro-Life stance looking now, Your Excellency?
I also recall a Max Bluementhal video where he speaks to anti-abortion protesters and asks them what punishment should the woman get. All the women he talked either said no punishment or I don't know.

2) They don't want a solution/endgame. This is too much of a funding cow for the religious right and the GOP. They know they can raise a lot of money milking people against the procedure. And votes, too. Invoke anti-abortion and the money and voters flock to you. It's dog whistle politics.
There was a thread on Daily Kos about this a year or 2 back. The idea of the poster was that if abortion is banned today, the GOP and Christian right support would tank. This would progress enough in 2 years or so to allow for enough seats to be taken by moderates and progressive to overturn any ban. By the time they would mobilize it's too late. The public wouldn't care enough anymore.

[quiller4]

75. As a Catholic Democrat I cheered Matthews show today. He

chewed Tobin up. Actually, Matthews displayed a clear understanding of the teaching of "primacy of conscience" --a significant teaching the bishop doesn't seem to grasp.

[saltpoint]

94. Good point. I imagine the Bishop knows what primacy of conscience is

but as you indicate, didn't appear too willing to raise it as a consideration.

[bamacrat]

77. Church/Religion has no place in public policy.

Many religions do not allow for women to have equal rights with their bodies when compares to men. If men could get pregnant abortions would be easier to get than cigarettes. If the (religious organizations) want their politicians to go by the Bible or what ever religious teachings they should pay taxes. I think that would solve the problem with where to get the money to pay for healthcare. Acting as though a fetus that cannot support life on its own is a viable human is like saying a man who gets a vasectomy or a woman who takes birth control is killing possible life. I am not for late term abortions where the fetus can survive on its own but that is not legal unless the life of the mother is in jeopardy. Chastising a man who believes things on his own separate from the church is wrong. A man or woman for that matter can be a Catholic and still be pro - choice. Morals get thrown around like money, money churches don't have to pay, so if they want to try to influence policy they need to belly up and pay their fair share.

I don't want my elected officials to consult their Bible or their religion when making policy that directly influences my or the lives of my loved ones.

[Justice]

78. Elevating Abortion - Super Human Right

This bishop keeps saying that there is no such thing as abortion rights just human rights. He then avoids talking about human rights.

He then talks about how abortion has been given special status - but then argues the opposite that laws against taking an "innocent human life" should have special status (beyond laws protecting any other human rights).

He is arguing that we change the law on abortion to prohibit it - but will not then allow a discussion about what other "human rights" should be required by law.

[Syntheto]

79. Take all their exemptions....

...from the Catholics to the Muslims, to the AME, to the Buddhists to the Hindus... There is no 'god' or any other sort of supernatural entity that determines a damned thing in our lives; insofar as that goes, astrology is just as effective, or Wicca. It's all bullshit... yet fuckers like this 'archbishop' are supposed to be referred to as 'Excellency' and all that? I call my wiener 'Excellency' and it isn't even ordained; small parish and all that... ya dig?

Secular government now, and with no apologies. I don't want a government full of people that believe in the existence of some supernatural spirit to guide their decisions. Why not just use a Ouija board?

So, Senator, you actually believe in the existence of an alien force from beyond space and time, one whose motives we as humans aren't smart enough to determine (yet allowed the Nazi death camps and the slave trades) and furthermore, you depend on this, uh, entity to provide guidance to your decisions with regards to national security?

Uh, Mr. Chairman, I move that we kick this crazy fuck right out of the chamber and find somebody who is a pragmatic human being, with human values, with human intelligence and who owes allegiance to our country, rather than some creature from beyond.

[thenam]

80. He was impolite, oh noes!

I giggled at this:

"Chris Matthews should be fired for his offensive and impolite Interview of Bishop Thomas Tobin. Then, he should sign up for the Right of Christian Initiation of Adults (RCIA) and learn the Catholic faith all over again."

So he was impolite? I guess the proper decorum for speaking to His Worship, the good Bishop, is to kiss his ass? I'm quite glad that Matthews did not. The Church needs to be called on the carpet for everything that it has done to wrong society. Opposing reproductive rights is just one of those things.

[Jokerman]

81. "Moral Truth" & "Natural Law"

They just love to come up with catchy phrases that all point back to the same thing:

CONTROLLING WOMEN.

Sounds like the biggest mistake Mathews made was to give an ASS like Tobin any air time at all.

[Festivito]

82. If you swap Matthews and Bishop in this article... IT WORKS.

It reads the same.

THE BISHOP showed how inept he is as an BISHOP, how misinformed he is as a Catholic, how rude he is as a person and how threatened he is by the Moral truth.
WASHINGTON, D.C. (Catholic Online) –....

In other words, the article is just a bunch of name calling.

[Vinca]

83. The only thing wrong with the interview was Tweety failed to ask

if the pedophile priests still receive communion.

[malaise]

84. Chris Matthews cleaned the

Archbishop's clock. Only a biased catholic didn't get it.
Next he'll recommend excommunicating Tweety. That may be a good thing.

[ProfessorGAC]

87. Reading That Article Makes One Stupider

Sheesh, what rubbish.
GAC

[bridgit]

88. Watching the smug look on Tobin's face it is clear, the Pope of Rome and his operatives...

are here to disrupt America, and take down her voice that sings to freedom, liberty and justice for all

[Toasterlad]

89. If All You Cafeteria Catholics Would Wake Up And Realize the Ignorance and Bigotry You're Supporting

...we could be rid of this bullshit organization TOMORROW. And the world would be a much, MUCH better place.

[NoSheep]

93. The "moral truth"? Bwaahahhaaaaaahaahaahhaaaaaaaa

[SidDithers]

95. Catholics are funny...

spouting their anachronistic opinions as they spin into irrelevancy.

Edit: rec'd, for additional exposure of their tripe.

[madokie]

96. I watched that interview and I'll tell you I have new found respect for Mathews

F these bible thumpers that want to control my government while they want no part of supporting it. I don't believe in their or anyone's god for that matter so I feel he/she/scam artist, whatever, has no business in my business, none. Especially in legislation I have to live by.

-1

[cliffordu]

99. Fuck deacon kieth and the kid he rode in on.

religionists need to stop that shit

[old mark]

105. They should move back to Italy. nt