My 53 yr old humble opinion on the whole mess,,,

[benld74]

1) Get the eff outa Iraq
2) Get the eff outa Afganistan
3) Pull our troops bak home and allow them to heal
4) at the same time focus on OUR COUNTRY totally and completely, thereby allowing it to heal as well
5) The people is how OUR COUNTRY should be focused upon
their health, their jobs, their families
6) No more CORP welfare, just because by law they are people, they have received the vast majority of the welfare.
7) Focus on the small and the bigger picture will become clearer to all,,,

[Stinky The Clown]

1. You're just a kid, but I won't hold that against you.

K&R

[postulater]

2. I'll add 58 years to that.

[glinda]

4. ok. My 55 to that also. That should count for some experience doncha think?

[waiting for hope]

3. All of those things could be accomplished -

If Campaign Finance Reform were to happen ... nice pipe dream though. :)

[dysfunctional press]

9. "campaign finance reform"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

it's kind of ridiculous to expect a group of people to voluntarily cut off their own lifeblood.

[waiting for hope]

10. Yeah - that's why I called the list a pipe dream ...

:evilfrown:

[LWolf]

12. I know of one who would.

That one needs more support from his own party.

[dysfunctional press]

15. there are probably at least several that would.

but that is completely meaningless is the face of the numbers that NEVER would.

[LWolf]

17. Not meaningless at all.

Just not at all probable. :(

[dysfunctional press]

19. how is it not meaningless?

2 or 3 votes toward a possible congressional bill accomplishes absolutely nothing.

[LWolf]

21. It's not meaningless

because it means a great deal to me to know that there ARE a few politicians who have some integrity left.

It means that hope, while on life-support, is not dead.

[dysfunctional press]

23. so- it's not meaningless to YOU, personally...

but in terms of changing anything about the process- it's completely meaningless.

[LWolf]

24. I don't think so.

The process has no chance to change if there is no one to take up that cause.

[dysfunctional press]

25. and with less than a handful of willing, it's chances are equally nil.

ergo- meaningless.

[LWolf]

26. Slim chances are not the same thing as meaningless.

There was a time when we would have said the same about:

abolition

the vote for women

etc., etc., etc..

It takes people with vision and commitment to carry an idea forward until it can be made real.

[dysfunctional press]

27. slim and nil are two different things as well.

plus- things like abolition, the vote for women, etc. etc. etc. were all about directly expanding freedoms for groups of people.

[unkachuck]

5. K&R....a most excellent and accurate humble opinion....n/t

[UTUSN]

6. I *hate* you for your youth. n/t

[StarfarerBill]

7. Here's my 45...

...enjoy them. :)

[OneBlueSky]

8. give yourself ten more years . . .

then you'll probably arrive at a "fuck it all" position -- which is about where I am after 63 years on the planet . . . I mean, if someone like Obama can't (or won't) take on the corporate powers, then we have NO chance of real change in our lifetimes, imo . . . might just as well spend my time growing tomatoes and making pizza, and leave the politicking to the younger generations . . . I'm too tired to care anymore . . .

[JimWis]

11. K&R

[mullard12ax7]

13. I was just told to shut up and go enlist, seriously

Right here too, on this site. It's pretty hilarious how little people have learned and how little they will ever learn. I agree with you, get the eff outta those illegal wars.

[Echo In Light]

14. Kudos

Rec

[avaistheone1]

16. Here's another 58 years.

My priorites match your own.

I am very angry and frustrated how things are unfolding after all the hope hype.

[lanlady]

18. My 52-yr-old self

is in complete agreement with you.

[Paper Roses]

20. This 67 year old opinion coincides with yours. n/t

[shanti]

22. absolutely agree

charity begins at home.

[David Zephyr]

28. You sound like a Democrat.

Too bad we don't have one in the White House.

K&R