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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 11:22 AM
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Allowing China a Dominant Role in Afghanistan's Future
Edited on Mon Nov-23-09 11:58 AM by bigtree
". . . power in the 21st century is no longer a zero-sum game; one country's success need not come at the expense of another. And that is why the United States insists we do not seek to contain China's rise. On the contrary, we welcome China as a strong and prosperous and successful member of the community of nations." --President Obama speaking at a town hall meeting in Shanghai, China Nov.16


ON his recent trip to China, President Obama publicly stressed cooperation between our nations and spoke at length of values and challenges that he said we share, while relegating serious criticisms of China's human rights record and economic concerns to private talks with the leaders there. Quite predictably, discussions of the economic concerns were reportedly muted by the fact of the record and rising U.S. debt that China finances such a great percentage of.

It's also reasonable to assume that the president's discussions of human rights abuses by China were similarly corrupted by the fact of America's spotty and sometimes negligent attention to the often destructive and devastating effects of our militarism waged across the sovereign borders of Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan - the collateral effect of our 'shock and awe' bombings of civilian areas, the overthrow, replacement, and deliberate meddling in the affairs of sovereign governments; and the arbitrary, indefinite, and anti-democratic detentions of the citizenry, often without charges, trial, or counsel.

That spirit and focus from this new American administration on publicly stifling the negative about China and accentuating the positive isn't restricted to just economics or their abysmal lack of respect for their citizens' rights and freedom. The administration has yet to publicly challenge or solicit China to step up to their responsibility to the security of their border nation, Afghanistan.

In a period where China is experiencing unprecedented levels of growth and development - contrasted with America's faltering economy - little has been demanded of Afghanistan's neighbor in both the campaign against terrorism (a concern which China insists they share with the U.S.) and in the financing of the development of Afghanistan's security, an effort which the U.S. has opportunistically dominated.

At first blush, it would make sense that our government would be wary of allowing China - our longtime economic and military rival - to influence and advantage themselves of the Afghan regime our country folk are fighting and dying to preserve in power. It would even stand to reason that, given the posture our State Dept. and military take against what they see as potential threats from China's growing military, to China's refusal to cooperate with the U.S. in voting for U.N. sanctions against Iran, that our government and military would be loath to allow China to advantage themselves of the Afghan land or resources.

Yet, not only is our government acquiescing to China in their economic expansion into the new Afghanistan, our military has been directly protecting China's interests behind the sacrifice of our own nation's defenders.

In 2007, China's bid for copper rights in Afghanistan was accepted by the Karzai regime in a process in which many observers said the ethically-challenged government unfairly favored their influential neighbor. The deal included rights to the construction of a coal-fired electrical power plant and the contract to build Afghanistan's first freight railway. Earlier this year, it was reported that American troops there just happened to set up bases in Afghanistan's Jalrez Valley that they claimed were checkpoints against Taliban activity in the area, but effectively provides protection for China's copper mine.

While it's true, as American officials insist, that protecting China's mining enterprise in Afghanistan is also a defense of the country's most lucrative asset (a presumed benefit for the country's redevelopment), the glaring question is why hasn't the U.S. insisted that China assume the cost and function of that security?

China should be doing more in Afghanistan.

There is a glaring shortage of sustainable industry for Afghans who desperately need work. I'm not a fan of mining, but China's interest there should be leveraged to demand more from them in support of the infrastructure and development of the area for Afghans. I'm not supportive of a long-term U.S. role in defending that infrastructure. That job would seem to better fit folks in the region who should directly benefit from the Chinese projects and others, rather than some potential benefit to America.

The answer to all of that may well be within our nation's obvious rivalry with China and a lingering fear and secret loathing of the emerging giant. It can't be unnoticed by China that every decision our government makes to escalate and deepen our military involvement in the region is indirectly increasing our the debt to them that we've accrued as our military budget is inflated beyond our many other priorities and ability to pay. It may well be that there is a natural reluctance from the administration to demand an Afghanistan tribute from the creditors to that debt.

It would likely pain our defensive government and military establishment to allow China to move troops in and set up defensive bases in Afghanistan's neighboring provinces (like Uzbekistan) to 'fight terror'. But if there is any sincerity at all about preserving and defending the government we've help install and defend there, we should acknowledge that regional countries like Pakistan, Russia, China, and even Iran are going develop closer and more meaningful economic and security arrangements with the new regime than the West. It makes sense that we demand they assume responsibility for preserving the state they benefit from.

China should be allowed to do more in Afghanistan.

In March, the Obama administration accepted an invitation to attend a Russian-hosted conference on Afghanistan at which Iran also participated. The State Department sent a senior diplomat to a special conference of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization being held in Moscow to discuss Afghanistan. The Shanghai Cooperation Organization includes Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan as members. Along with Iran, India, Mongolia and Pakistan are observers.

I'm convinced that China, Russia, and their trading partner, Iran, are indispensable to a 'stable' Afghanistan in the future. It was interesting to see the U.S. attend this conference because the SCO is usually acting outside of American interests. I can only conclude from the willingness to engage at this meeting that the U.S. also views these nations as indispensable to Afghanistan's future. That wasn't the case with the last White House which focused on its antipathy toward Iran in distancing themselves from the group. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld questioned Iran's involvement with the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, saying that he thought it 'strange' that the SCO had included Iran because of what he said were their 'links to terrorists'.

If this administration is serious about looking for an 'exit' out of Afghanistan, while staying true to their stated concerns for 'stability' and defense of the Afghan government, they will need a regional organization like the SCO to organize Afghanistan's neighbors to provide the finance and the manpower for a cause which will (and should) arguably benefit those nations above and beyond America's own grudging campaign against the remnants and ghosts of the fugitive 9-11 terror suspects. In that initiative, China should be asked and allowed to assume a more responsible and dominant role in Afghanistan befitting the enormous stake and benefit they will undoubtedly enjoy from the protection our own military forces presume to provide at this point in our eight-year-plus occupation.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 12:12 PM
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1. kick
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 12:19 PM
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2. The People's Republic knows how to kick ass...
and subdue a population. Let them fight with the Taliban.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 12:28 PM
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3. China's Contribution to UN Peacekeeping
30 May 2009

As the United Nations finds its peacekeeping missions stretched around the world, one major power is making a difference. China, a country that once criticized UN peacekeeping operations as interference with national sovereignty, is now a major troop contributor. Close to 2,200 Chinese are now wearing the characteristic blue helmets of U.N. peacekeepers.

Chinese peacekeepers are an increasing and welcome presence to over-stretched UN peacekeeping operations from Sudan to Haiti and Liberia.

With 115,000 blue helmets dispersed around the world on increasingly complex missions, the U.N. says it is grateful for the Chinese contribution. Alain Le Roy is the United Nations Undersecretary-General for Peacekeeping Operations.

"Their troops are very well disciplined of course, the organization of their command structure is extraordinary and whether you are on the ground in Haiti or Darfur, the Chinese camp can be easily recognized and the competence of the troops, their engineers, their doctors are at a very high quality," he said.


http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/a-13-2009-05-30-voa17-68687462.html
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 05:11 PM
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10. I was thinking of what they do in places they consider theirs...
The record is not too pretty.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 11:30 PM
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13. when these large powers flex their military
. . . I still have problems putting their ruthlessness in perspective with our own opportunistic devastation of the population and infrastructure over the past eight years in Afghanistan, and later, in Iraq. I also recall Vietnam and Cambodia.
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optimator Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 12:29 PM
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4. resisting the urge to criticize China
Anything to get US out is a good start.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 12:34 PM
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5. by all means
. . . the exit would be to our benefit.

It's been hard to put China's faults in perspective, given our own nation's government's recent slide into autocracy and military oligarchy.
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 01:37 PM
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6. "Allowing" China a bigger role in Afghanistan?
Uh, unlike a certain imperial power trapped in an endless war there now, China actually borders Afghanistan. And as the presumptive superpower of the 21st Century, China will do what it wishes in Afghanistan.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 02:06 PM
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7. right now
. . . they're doing 'what they wish' with the benefit of the protection of our military forces.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 02:21 PM
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8. And that is one big-ass TWO-FER.
Rec.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 05:18 PM
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11. What right does the U.S. have to decide what China may or may not do in Afghanistan?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 11:27 PM
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12. right?
. . . well, that's mostly the point of opposition to these occupations. Right now, the U.S. is in the way of China's influence in Afghanistan in some ways and accommodating them in other ways there. My point is that our imposition on Afghanistan has to eventually make way for those in the region, like China, who will primarily benefit from a 'stable' Afghanistan. Of course, the most effective way for us to do that is to remove our forces and get out of the way. But if you accept that the 'security' of the Afghan government and the safety of those who do business there is going to still be at risk from the Taliban and others, it would make sense to 'allow' and strongly encourage China and others in the region to assume responsibility for protecting the emerging Afghan state. Right now, it's our dominant military forces who are providing that for the Chinese and others who are, anyway, advantaging themselves of Afghanistan's resources and influence behind the protection of our own nation's defenders.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 04:31 PM
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9. .
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pjt7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 10:11 AM
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14. China got their mitts on Iraqi Oil
why not Afghanistan Cooper?
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 11:50 AM
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15. Let China have it
We need to get out.
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