There are so many things that trouble me about this H ins reform

[blues90]

First off we are told and sold on the idea on HMO's , while we were paying in a good amount of money they used it to grow to be too big to fail and at the very same time they used millions of the dollars we paid in to lobby for their interests and against the very people they insured .

On top of this we have so many reps who took this money and they make no effort to hide this yet they are in control of our health ins reform.

Isn't this stabbing the people then turning the knife?

The people are not even included in this game, we just get to the gambling table at work.

Where were our reps all these years while the health insurance corps were growing to the size of too big to fail?

I am not a teabag person , yet how are people to trust this or any government when they have taken money and looked the other way so many times?

The house sets the laws and rules and it's in their favor not ours , it's like a closed loop club. All we get to do is vote and then watch as we get screwed even more than we ever imagined.

Many of these reps had to see this since they have been in for decades yet they did nothing we put them in office for which was to protect the peoples constitutional rights agisnt this sort of mass take over.

Their first priority is to see how they vote and what they vote on allows them to keep theirs seat.

Ted Kennedy spoke about single payer in 1980 and said the costs of healthcare could bankrupt almost anyone. Well he was right and it has.

[Oregone]

1. "Ted Kennedy spoke about single payer in 1980..."

He was speaking about it in the early 70s, when Nixon attempted to pass mandated and subsidized private health insurance reform.

[DemBones DemBones]

2. Don't forget that Congress already made it very

difficult for individuals to file for bankruptcy, while corporations can do so with complete abandon. So those who lose everything due to catastrophic medical expenses won't be able to declare bankruptcy to get rid of their debts.

Or, if they are lucky enough to be allowed to go bankrupt, they will still have to repay every bit of their credit card debts. Those debts are no longer canceled by bankruptcy. Thank you, Joe Biden from the great credit industry state of Maryland.

Then there are the people who will be fined and imprisoned if they can't afford health insurance, which could be most of us when they jack up the premiums once we're captive buyers. Debtors' prisons in the US. Great.

[napi21]

3. I don't think there will be any imprisonment. Just a fine.

I suspect that fine will be deducted from any gov't fund you may receive if you don't pay it. Things like tax refunds, unemployment, etc.

[Cleita]

4. And if you can't pay the fine, there will be community service and if you can't

do that or don't do that there will be jail time just like with mandatory car insurance. Of course you don't have to buy insurance until you need health care, so when you go to the ER and they see you have no insurance you will be reported by law no doubt. Then you will be fined and forced to buy insurance. If you can't afford it and fall within the poverty guidelines you will get Medicaid. If you don't qualify for Medicaid you will be forced to get insurance. If you don't do it, then the law will come after you again. If you don't do it after all that, then you wont seek medical care because you are afraid. I've seen how it works with car insurance. At least with car insurance you can get rid of the car and take the bus. You can't do that with health care.

[DemBones DemBones]

7. Exactly. Prison IS part of the plan. Why

they want to increase the prison population is beyond me. How many license plates can we need? Especially if peak oil means gas prices get so high almost nobody can afford to drive.

Of course, they now let convicts work for mail order companies, meaning when you phone in an order you may be giving your credit card number to an inmate. It's a wonder there isn't more credit card fraud. I'll bet they could put inmates to work doing tech support, too. They must have many things in mind.

[FLyellowdog]

10. "They" (whoever "they" are) don't want to increase the prison population.

"They" want every American to have health care coverage in the event that we need it. That includes several different groups of people, not the least of which are (1) those who want to purchase but can't afford to buy health insurance and (2) those who can afford to purchase but for whatever reason choose not to buy health insurance.

The government has legislated many safety issues such as mandatory seat belts, innoculations before entering school, wearing of helmets when riding a bike, securing firearms so that children can't get to them,etc...things that should make sense to any halfway intelligent being, but for some reason hasn't. Therefore the government has stepped in and ensured the protection of the people for the sake of the people.

I don't fear retribution for not following the rules, because I didn't need the rules in the first place. I've got enough sense to do those things without being forced to. Sadly, a lot of people aren't that sharp and so we have have laws to protect them from themselves. Thankfully, we all benefit from these protections on varying and different levels.

Government is saying that all people should have health insurance to provide for the possibility of health issues.In the long run this will result in a healthier nation and lower health cost across the board...how much depending on the type of HCR we finally get.

I'm for single payer, but until we get that, I'll take the public option idea. Nothing less will do.

[Bluenorthwest]

8. And that makes it ok?

[bullimiami]

5. hmos seemed to work for awhile and like so many institutions in this country

they were allowed to become corrupt. this process has taken a long time.

corrections are obviously needed. hopefully this will be one in the right direction.

[Cleita]

9. HMO's were the wrong model.

We need Medicare for all, a plan that has worked since its inception. Sure it needs some overhauling because of what the Republicans have done to shoot holes in in over the years, but it is the plan that works best.

[rhett o rick]

6. What is the best site for comparisons between Senate and House bills? nt