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francolettieri Donating Member (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 10:59 AM
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We almost can store solar energy for when the sun doesn't shine--Daniel G. Nocera, MIT Professor
n a revolutionary leap that could transform solar power from a marginal, boutique alternative into a mainstream energy source, MIT researchers have overcome a major barrier to large-scale solar power: storing energy for use when the sun doesn't shine.





Daniel Nocera describes new process for storing solar energy
View video post on MIT TechTV

Until now, solar power has been a daytime-only energy source, because storing extra solar energy for later use is prohibitively expensive and grossly inefficient. With today's announcement, MIT researchers have hit upon a simple, inexpensive, highly efficient process for storing solar energy.

Requiring nothing but abundant, non-toxic natural materials, this discovery could unlock the most potent, carbon-free energy source of all: the sun. "This is the nirvana of what we've been talking about for years," said MIT's Daniel Nocera, the Henry Dreyfus Professor of Energy at MIT and senior author of a paper describing the work in the July 31 issue of Science. "Solar power has always been a limited, far-off solution. Now we can seriously think about solar power as unlimited and soon."

Inspired by the photosynthesis performed by plants, Nocera and Matthew Kanan, a postdoctoral fellow in Nocera's lab, have developed an unprecedented process that will allow the sun's energy to be used to split water into hydrogen and oxygen gases. Later, the oxygen and hydrogen may be recombined inside a fuel cell, creating carbon-free electricity to power your house or your electric car, day or night.

The key component in Nocera and Kanan's new process is a new catalyst that produces oxygen gas from water; another catalyst produces valuable hydrogen gas. The new catalyst consists of cobalt metal, phosphate and an electrode, placed in water. When electricity --Â whether from a photovoltaic cell, a wind turbine or any other source --Â runs through the electrode, the cobalt and phosphate form a thin film on the electrode, and oxygen gas is produced.

Combined with another catalyst, such as platinum, that can produce hydrogen gas from water, the system can duplicate the water splitting reaction that occurs during photosynthesis.

The new catalyst works at room temperature, in neutral pH water, and it's easy to set up, Nocera said. "That's why I know this is going to work. It's so easy to implement," he said.

'Giant leap' for clean energy
Sunlight has the greatest potential of any power source to solve the world's energy problems, said Nocera. In one hour, enough sunlight strikes the Earth to provide the entire planet's energy needs for one year.

James Barber, a leader in the study of photosynthesis who was not involved in this research, called the discovery by Nocera and Kanan a "giant leap" toward generating clean, carbon-free energy on a massive scale.

"This is a major discovery with enormous implications for the future prosperity of humankind," said Barber, the Ernst Chain Professor of Biochemistry at Imperial College London. "The importance of their discovery cannot be overstated since it opens up the door for developing new technologies for energy production thus reducing our dependence for fossil fuels and addressing the global climate change problem."

'Just the beginning'
Currently available electrolyzers, which split water with electricity and are often used industrially, are not suited for artificial photosynthesis because they are very expensive and require a highly basic (non-benign) environment that has little to do with the conditions under which photosynthesis operates.
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More engineering work needs to be done to integrate the new scientific discovery into existing photovoltaic systems, but Nocera said he is confident that such systems will become a reality.
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"This is just the beginning," said Nocera, principal investigator for the Solar Revolution Project funded by the Chesonis Family Foundation and co-Director of the Eni-MIT Solar Frontiers Center. "The scientific community is really going to run with this."

Nocera hopes that within 10 years, homeowners will be able to power their homes in daylight through photovoltaic cells, while using excess solar energy to produce hydrogen and oxygen to power their own household fuel cell. Electricity-by-wire from a central source could be a thing of the past.

The project is part of the MIT Energy Initiative, a program designed to help transform the global energy system to meet the needs of the future and to help build a bridge to that future by improving today's energy systems. MITEI Director Ernest Moniz, Cecil and Ida Green Professor of Physics and Engineering Systems, noted that "this discovery in the Nocera lab demonstrates that moving up the transformation of our energy supply system to one based on renewables will depend heavily on frontier basic science."
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The success of the Nocera lab shows the impact of a mixture of funding sources - governments, philanthropy, and industry. This project was funded by the National Science Foundation and by the Chesonis Family Foundation, which gave MIT $10 million this spring to launch the Solar Revolution Project, with a goal to make the large scale deployment of solar energy within 10 years.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 11:01 AM
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1. Sustainability YES!
Edited on Sun Nov-22-09 11:02 AM by lonestarnot
:applause: Oh and welcome to DU! :toast:
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 03:21 AM
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17. +1
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 11:05 AM
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2. Energy Storage is not just for Solar. Wind and Hydro, even Nuclear, need Storage Solutions.
Wind turbines and nuclear power plants produce energy that often exceeds demand.

The Helms storage unit is one example in California in which unused power sends water uphill to a reservoir, to be release to turbines later.

Creating Hydrogen for use later is another approach.

Compressed air is yet another.

And V2G, Vehicle to Grid, is yet another scheme that would use electric vehicles' batteries as part of the solution.

Exciting times, these!

K&R
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 11:19 AM
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3. We can already store energy. It's called batteries. Something the naysayers
conveniently forget.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 11:25 AM
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4. Sounds like you should write that up nd submit it to
The American Journal of It's Way More Complicated Than That.


Yes, we have batteries. Imagine batteries being able to store energy from the sun. When it isn't shining.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 11:36 AM
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5. Yes, but it sounds like these fuel cells can sustain their power longer than a battery bank
Yes, your average home solar battery bank can power a house for twenty four hours, give or take a few hours. But there are many times when the sun doesn't shine for days, which means you have to start pulling from that coal fired grid.

With a fuel cell bank you can power your house for days without having to resort to the grid. In essence, this is a new and improved battery:shrug;
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 11:44 PM
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6. Then that's definitely an improvement. I just get tired of people proclaiming endlessly that
"energy can't be stored". Because it most certainly can.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 11:46 PM
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7. Didn't you already post this and were asked for a link?
Edited on Sun Nov-22-09 11:47 PM by csziggy
The information is very interesting but a link to the original article would be more reliable for the skeptics among us.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 12:00 AM
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10. Here's a link
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 12:47 AM
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15. Thank you - interesting technology that I hope pans out.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 01:07 PM
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19. I want that technology invented here. Climate change deniers are trying to
prevent us from making advances that can allow us to adapt to changing conditions.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 11:55 PM
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8. Hate to ask, but is there a link?
This sounds way to good to be true.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 01:08 PM
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20. See my reply #10.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 11:59 PM
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9. ""That's why I know this is going to work. It's so easy to implement," he said...."
and that's why it's going to have to fail.

so sayeth com ed.
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guyton Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 12:03 AM
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11. from July 31, 2008 (and a link)
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 12:12 AM
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12. Here's the link that people are asking for.
I don't know why francolettieri didn't post a link but it was easy enough to find with Google. It's on mit.edu which I consider to be a reliable source.

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html

It sounds plausible to me.
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guyton Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 12:30 AM
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13. Liquid battery big enough for the electric grid?
Since this one is old, here's a clip from one from just two days ago (11/19/09)

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2009/liquid-battery.html

Liquid battery big enough for the electric grid?

There’s one major drawback to most proposed renewable-energy sources: their variability. The sun doesn’t shine at night, the wind doesn’t always blow, and tides, waves and currents fluctuate. That’s why many researchers have been pursuing ways of storing the power generated by these sources so that it can be used when it’s needed.

So far, those solutions have tended to be too expensive, limited to only certain areas, or difficult to scale up sufficiently to meet the demands. Many researchers are struggling to overcome these limitations, but MIT professor Donald Sadoway has come up with an innovative approach that has garnered significant interest — and some major funding.

The idea is to build an entirely new kind of battery, whose key components would be kept at high temperature so that they would stay entirely in liquid form. The experimental devices currently being tested in Sadoway’s lab work in a way that’s never been attempted in batteries before.

...

Most battery research, Sadoway says, has been aimed at improving storage for portable or mobile systems such as cellphones, computers and cars. The requirements for such systems, including very low weight and high safety, are very different from the needs of a grid-scale, fixed-location battery system. “What I did was completely ignore the conventional technology used for portable power,” he says. The different set of requirements for stationary systems “opens up a whole new range of possibilities.”


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BrotherLove Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 12:34 AM
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14. Link to Daniel G. Nocera's 23 Sept 2009 Paper in Inorganic Chemistry ....
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 03:18 AM
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16. Not really storage, this is converion to another form, hydrogen energy
These guys might want to check some science fair research I did back the 1980's...

This is an old concept...


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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 03:21 AM
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18. Just imagine how far along we would be, if we had not wasted all that money on wars
and on wasteful energy sources... but wait..

Exxon,Arco/BP/Shell/Chevron/etc would not be as rich as they are now... and the middle east would not be as rich as they are now.and maybe the wars "over there" would never have been waged..
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 02:15 PM
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21. If country had listened to Jimmy Carter back in 1977 we would have the technology
The President's Proposed Energy Policy

Jimmy Carter delivered this televised speech on April 18, 1977.


Tonight I want to have an unpleasant talk with you about a problem unprecedented in our history. With the exception of preventing war, this is the greatest challenge our country will face during our lifetimes. The energy crisis has not yet overwhelmed us, but it will if we do not act quickly.

It is a problem we will not solve in the next few years, and it is likely to get progressively worse through the rest of this century.

We must not be selfish or timid if we hope to have a decent world for our children and grandchildren.

We simply must balance our demand for energy with our rapidly shrinking resources. By acting now, we can control our future instead of letting the future control us.

Two days from now, I will present my energy proposals to the Congress. Its members will be my partners and they have already given me a great deal of valuable advice. Many of these proposals will be unpopular. Some will cause you to put up with inconveniences and to make sacrifices.

More: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/filmmore/ps_energy.html


Thom Hartman recalled that speech four years ago in his reaction to Shrub's energy speech which tried to blame our problems on Clinton:

Carter Tried To Stop Bush's Energy Disasters - 28 Years Ago
by Thom Hartmann
Published on Tuesday, May 3, 2005 by CommonDreams.org

In his recent news conference, George Bush Jr. suggested that our nation's "problem" with high gasoline prices was caused by the lack of a national energy policy, and tried to blame it all on Bill Clinton. First, Junior said, "This is a problem that's been a long time in coming. We haven't had an energy policy in this country."

This was followed by, "That's exactly what I've been saying to the American people -- 10 years ago if we'd had an energy strategy, we would be able to diversify away from foreign dependence. And -- but we haven't done that. And now we find ourselves in the fix we're in." As is so often the case, Bush was lying.

Consider President Jimmy Carter's April 18, 1977 speech. Since it was given nearly three decades ago, when many of the reporters in Bush's White House were children, it's understandable that they don't remember it. But it's inexcusable that Bush and the mainstream media (which, after all, has the ability to do research) would completely ignore it. It was the speech that established the strategic petroleum reserve, birthed the modern solar power industry, led to the insulation of millions of American homes, and established America's first national energy policy. "With the exception of preventing war," said Jimmy Carter, a man of peace, "this is the greatest challenge our country will face during our lifetimes."

More: http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0503-22.htm
President Carter tried to warn the country and tried to implement plans to get us to energy independence. But then Reagan, Bush I and Bush II came along. It was just the misfortune of the Republicans that ignoring the problem came to a head during the reign of one of their own.

I've posted Carter's speech before and will post it again. So many think of him as a failed President - I think he was one of our more intelligent and forward thinking Presidents who tried to get the country to do very unpopular things.
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