If LBJ could get the civil rights act through a Congress, Obama should be able to get HCR done

[still_one]

The civil rights act was even worse. You had Democrats in Southern states who didn't want it, were concerned about re-election, and some who were plain racist, and yet it made it

[Tansy_Gold]

1. LBJ got it via inadvertent backlash, not through skill or negotiation

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#Women.27s_Rights

Women's Rights
Howard W. Smith, the powerful Virginian who chaired the House Rules Committee, opposed civil rights laws for blacks, but he supported them for women. Smith had long been close to Alice Paul, one of the leaders of the Suffrage Movement since 1917. At her urging, Smith jokingly and insincerely included gender as a protected category. His purpose was to make the bill unacceptable, and this attempt to openly ridicule the legislation infused the debate with howls of laughter. Smith's strategy, however, backfired, and was ultimately used against him by Representative Martha Griffiths, a liberal feminist from Michigan, whose support of Smith's amendment resulted in the inclusion of gender as a protected category in the Civil Rights Act of 1964. This development defeated the liberals of the AFL-CIO who had long opposed the Equal Rights Amendment, as well as the black leaders who wanted the bill to focus solely on race.

William Rehnquist, Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, articulated in Meritor Savings Bank v. Vinson: “The prohibition against discrimination based on sex was added to Title VII at the last minute on the floor of the House of Representatives…the bill quickly passed as amended, and we are left with little legislative history to guide us in interpreting the Act’s prohibition against discrimination based on ‘sex.’”

[BzaDem]

2. Johnson got 73 votes in the Senate by compromising, including the votes of many Republicans.

Should we compromise to get 73 votes? I doubt you would want that. This is a dumb analogy.

[still_one]

3. It depends what the compromise is. Those affected by the civil rights act appreciated the

compromise,

The view that it is a dumb analogy is your view

[stray cat]

4. I think you had republicans voting for it - how many do you think we can get for health care/

Gerrymandering wasn't as prevelent in congressional districts and their was less right or even left wing extremism compared to those who really were interested in governing instead of hearing themselves speak on cable networks. A few thing have changed over the years and it is not as simplistic as you want to think

[still_one]

6. I believe it will get done before the end of the year, this is all drama, and face saving for those

just like the house was

and I also believe it will have at least the foundation of a public option, most likely with an opt out clause for individual states

[stray cat]

5. People should be able to get good jobs w/o an education because they could in the 60s

Its the workers fault because in the past they could get good jobs :sarcasm:

[still_one]

8. That was before it was decided to off-shore our future overseas. We don't make

a lot of things anymore

I find it amazing that a lot of our agriculture, energy, food, and medicines, are now made overseas. Through our wonderful trade agreements we have made ourselves dependent on someone else

[nevergiveup]

7. Different times and totally different political dynamics.

More Republicans in the House voted for the bill than Democrats. Only 6 Republican Senators voted against the final bill. Democrat Hubert Humphrey and Republican Everett Dirksen of Illinois lead the charge for final passage. Once Dirksen was on board it was a done deal.

[still_one]

9. True, and there is no way we will get republicans on HCR, but we should be able to get Democrats /nt

[Coyote_Bandit]

10. Anything that can be labelled healthcare reform

is politically expedient for Obama. But it would appear that he lacks a principled commitment to actually achieving reform that would give millions of uninsured/underinsured meaningful affordable access to healthcare. Obama's personal changing position tells the tale. He was for single payer before he decided it couldn't be implemented. What a fucking uninformed cop out. He was for a strong public option. He was for a weak public option. He was for healthcare co-ops. Seems he's both supported and opposed mandates at different times. The current POS clusterfuck of a proposal is nothing but fucking ***INSURANCE*** reform. But Obama has already accomplished his political goal because he can pretend he tried to reform healthcare.