Palin gave birth to Trig 5 weeks prematurely?

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

I was watching a repeat of 20/20(i think) where barbara walters interviewed Gov-X.

Palin said Trig was 5 weeks premature. is this new info? i just don't remember anything about Trig

being 5 weeks premature. doesn't this make her flight even more dangerous?

[Blue_In_AK]

1. Yes, I believe that's the official story anyway,

that he was premature, which is why she was allegedly caught offguard when her water broke. And I agree with you, all the more reason why she should have checked into a hospital in Texas to at least get checked out. Nothing about that story makes any sense.

[treestar]

2. And apparently got on a plane after her water broke

Then flew to Alaska and then drove a long way to get to the hospital in Wasilla rather than in the bigger city where she landed.

I once posted the photo taken at the governor's meeting she had just attended, where she does not look pregnant, though other DUers said you could be that small with a DS baby.

[Blue_In_AK]

12. Two very good hospitals in Anchorage,

Providence and Alaska Regional, but she just had to drive all the way out to the Mat-Su Valley hospital, an hour's drive from Anchorage.

[LiberalFighter]

13. I thought she gave the speech after the water broke.

And I guess the hospitals in Texas aren't that great.

[blogslut]

48. The hospitals in Texas are excellent

Ms. Palin was 20 miles from Children's Medical Center in Dallas, rated #22 in top US neonatal care facilities. If she so chose, she could have flown to Houston to be treated at the nation's #7 neonatal care facility, Texas Children's Hospital.

[treestar]

57. And it's a pro-America part of the country, too

Sarah is such a mess.

[Wizard777]

58. I don't blame her for that. She was in Texas.

They would use her wacky beliefs to take her children from her.

[niyad]

3. okay, refresh my memory, someone who deals in neo-nates--how is a five-week premature special

needs infant generally cared for? is there incubation? neo-nate care? because I don't remember hearing that the child had any sort of special attention after birth.

[MamaDem]

4. I'm not a neonate person but had a premature special needs

child 6 weeks early and she was in the NICU for a week. Labor was FAST (second child) and had compromised breathing. I cannot for a single second imagine myself thinking it's okay to fly when I was that far along...and then to not go immediately to a hospital when my water broke, especially considering this was not the first child. It has never, ever made sense to me...but does at least give further evidence to her egomaniacal narcissistic personality.

[niyad]

5. that is pretty much what I thought I remembered from friends in similar situations.

and, I think someone mentioned yesterday that it was almost beyond imagining that any commercial airline would actually consent to allowing her to fly in that condition (and I cannot imagine a competent doctor okaying her to fly down to texas in the first place)

that whole story sucks. I would have been flunked in my 8th grade writing class for coming up with something that unbelievable.

[Ms. Toad]

66. If, by 5 weeks before due date -

I flew 2 weeks before my due date, with my doctor's consent. His opinion was that the flights I was on were relatively short in duration (up to 2 hours), the airports were in major metropolitan areas which were likely to have high quality medical facilities. It was a lot safer, in his opinion, to fly than to drive and be stuck in the middle of nowhere with whatever small town hospital happened to be closest to the emergency.

As to flying after one's water broke - I think that is idiocy and I doubt it was approved by her doctor or even revealed to the airline (who would have no way of knowing unless she revealed it).

[patrice]

6. . . . or something very very special about that hospital that she just HAD to get to.

[niyad]

8. yeah--like a doctor she had something on, who would be willing to falsify records??

[patrice]

10. She and the Family I'm thinking. Don't you think they were bringing her along for several years?

It may be nothing, but it sure is provocative.

[niyad]

26. you may definitely have something there. the family is beyond spooky--and even jeff sharlet hasn't

come up with everything in which they are involved.

[niyad]

7. forgive me for not asking earlier--how is your child doing now?

[LiberalFighter]

14. Her judgment is suspect when it comes to personal matters

and we should trust her judgment when it comes to public matters?

[Shell Beau]

9. I am assuming 5 weeks premature would mean 35 weeks gestation.

40 weeks is full term, but a baby may be considered full term at 36 weeks. So it could have either been a 35 week gestation or a 31 week gestation which would be a big difference. Every week that a baby stays in utero is a plus for the baby (for the most part) up to 40 or so weeks. A 31 week delivered baby would more than likely need more extra care than that of a 35 week baby. Not sure what, if any, precautions are taken for a down-syndrome baby delivered at the same time as an otherwise "healthy" baby.

[dflprincess]

11. I think it can vary

Nineteen years ago my brother and sister-in-law's twins were born 5 weeks early and only spent their first 24 hours in the NICU for observation. But, they were both over 5 pounds and didn't have any special needs.

While Down Syndrome people are more prone to heart problems, if Trig wasn't born with anything that needed immediate attention, the big thing for him (like any premie) would be lung development.

[Contrary1]

15. Hey, she had her doctor's blessing, what's not to understand?

:sarcasm:

"...Early Thursday -- she thinks it was around 4 a.m. Texas time -- she consulted with her doctor, family physician Cathy Baldwin-Johnson, who is based in the Valley and has delivered lots of babies, including Piper, Palin's 7-year-old.

Palin said she felt fine but had leaked amniotic fluid and also felt some contractions that seemed different from the false labor she had been having for months.

"I said I am going to stay for the day. I have a speech I was determined to give," Palin said. She gave the luncheon keynote address for the energy conference.

Palin kept in close contact with Baldwin-Johnson. The contractions slowed to one or two an hour, "which is not active labor," the doctor said.

"Things were already settling down when she talked to me," Baldwin-Johnson said. Palin did not ask for a medical OK to fly, the doctor said.

"I don't think it was unreasonable for her to continue to travel back," Baldwin-Johnson said.

So the Palins flew on Alaska Airlines from Dallas to Anchorage, stopping in Seattle and checking with the doctor along the way."

http://www.adn.com/626/story/382864.html

[niyad]

19. those comments are supposedly from the book? sounds like the doctor is an idiot.

now we learn that sarah had been having false labour for "months"? and yet, she had her doc's okay to fly?

honestly, this story gets stupider and more unbelievable by the minute.

[LeftyMom]

34. Braxton Hicks contractions in the last trimester are normal.

I had tons of them, and my kid wasn't born until 44 weeks (not a typo.)

[niyad]

37. were you flying all over the country, though?

it brought to mind an episode of "tori and dean" where her ob-gyn tells tori that, because of her braxton-hicks contractions, he realllly does not want her flying on her book tour--even up to SF. she was not an elderly gravitas, and the fetus was normal.

still think palin's doctor, if any of that account is real, is an idiot.

[LeftyMom]

50. I don't doubt that Palin is an idiot.

Presumably if her doctor cleared her to fly it was with the assumption that if she ran into a problem she'd go to the nearest acceptable hospital.

But no, BH shouldn't factor into the decision, as they're a normal part of late pregnancy and not an indicator of impending labor.

[juno jones]

51. 44 weeks?

OMG.

Every week of advanced pregnacy is like a year in real life. It just m-o-o-oves s-so-o-o-o slo-o-oo-ow.

:hug:

[LeftyMom]

52. I went into false labor at 41.

Labor took 25 hours, too. Of course I'm 5'2, and he was 10 lbs and 24" long, so I think a faster, more intense labor would have been impossible to do without drugs.

[juno jones]

53. I cannot imagine.

My first pregnancy I had an elective caesarian for medical reasons at about 40 weeks.

My second pregancy was twins that ended at 37 weeks. 6 lbs plus each. I had them both vaginally in 5 hours.

I cannot imagine what you went thru, and all I remember was a long tunnel of pain and holding on for dear life. My first words after birth were "Can I have some demoral NOW?"

All I can do is :applause:

[LeftyMom]

56. I was very, very lucky to have a good labor nurse who stayed with me through most of it.

I didn't think much of Dr. "We're Giving You Some Pitocin To Speed Up Your Labor Now" (I told her that, no, "we" weren't doing any such thing and she could get out of my room now) and the rest of the staff, but I happened to luck into the best nurse in the world.

If for some crazy reason I ever wind up having another, I'm sparing myself the incompetent staff and the ghastly food and doing it at home.

[karynnj]

60. The doctor says she did not ask for permission to fly

which likely means that the DR is not idiot enough to have been willing to say that she gave it.

[cbdo2007]

45. Would you at least CHECK with the hospital in Dallas to get their opinion?

If they had given her the OK then that's another story. The odd thing is that she knew it was a special needs baby, it was coming early, she had a long flight and drive ahead of her...any normal person would at least check with a local hospital.

Not that she's a normal person. She's a lying wacko.

[leftstreet]

16. Wait, I thought the daughter had a baby. And who is Trank, or something?

I'm so confused

:cry:

[niyad]

17. palin supposedly had trig in april. her daughter had a baby in december. track is the oldest son,

supposedly now in iraq (he was given a choice of going into the military or going to jail)

[tonysam]

18. It isn't "supposedly." She DID have the baby.

That story is getting old and more ridiculous by the minute. That anonymous Kos rumor should have been relegated to the garbage can where it belongs.

In fact, why is this woman even getting any attention at all?

[niyad]

21. well, somebody had the baby, but the story as sarah tells it makes no sense whatsoever.

you, of course, are free to believe it, just as the rest of us are free to question the absurdity of it.

oh, just so you know, I personally think that the baby is actually bristol and todd's, or sarah's and levi's (although I really think the first)

[HipChick]

25. That was a huge red flag for me....

[riderinthestorm]

35. You were there when she had the baby??!! Pray tell!!!

Honestly, as a mother of two, her story makes absolutely no sense. You cannot have your water break and wait 12-13 hours until delivery.... It's physically impossible. Your water breaking means your delivery is imminent. Your child is at risk of major complications and infections if you dont get them out asap.... Besides the fact that biology pretty much dictates that your body 's gonna push that baby out asap once that embryonic sac breaks.

Fine. So she decides to just ignore that gush of bloody discharge (that not even a jumbo-tron sanitary pad could hold). Even if she's an Alaska-xenophobe and wants her child BORN IN ALASKA (as Todd asserts) She goes right by the Anchorage hospitals and drive another 1.5 hours to Mat-Su?

Sorry it just doesn't compute. Sarah's story is completely unbelievable on any level.

Secondly, why is this woman getting attention? Because she's being groomed for the next 2012 run. Anyone who doesn't see her as a candidate is smoking. She's the far right wing's political dream babe writ large. Dismiss her at your peril.

[niyad]

41. "dismiss her at your peril"--thank you for that-- I was beginning to think I was the only one

thinking there is a real possibility this insane person could wind up in the oval office (kkkarl is still on the job, yes?)

ESPECIALLY after watching some of the coverage of her this week on her book tour-- 300,000 copies in one day? crowds nine hours long? this is beyond creepy. and, after 8 years of gwb--I sadly believe that anything is possible.

a friend and I were talking a couple of weeks ago about what we would do if she really were in the people's house. without hesitation, both of us said we would have to leave the country.

[proud2BlibKansan]

59. My water broke and they had to induce labor

I didn't have my baby for more than 24 hours after my water broke. But I didn't fly on a plane anywhere, I went to the hospital.

For the record, I don't believe Sarah's story either. But I know from experience that breaking your water does not make delivery imminent.

[carpe diem]

28. it would be interesting to know what

Willow's situation was during the time when Sarah was supposedly pregnant and her whereabouts the night of delivery...was she in school? homeschool? any photos? She would have been 12/13 years old...heartbreakingly young, but definitely old enough to get pregnant and carry child to full term...and it would explain so very much...

[niyad]

31. hadn't given willow much thought, but. . . .hmmm. still thinking todd is the father.

[krispos42]

20. Here's a visual aid

:hi:

[niyad]

22. excellent

[liberal_at_heart]

24. how many hours was it till she actually got to the hospital?

After her water breaks chance for infection sets in not to mention her baby is premature. This is one of the craziest birth stories I've ever heard.

[niyad]

27. it was many hours--her water breaks, she gives the speech--the flight back to AK is over 12 hours,

and then over 1 1/2 hours by car to wasilla.

one of the things I noticed during the campaign was that she held that child as if he were a piece of luggage-- I have NEVER seen even the most clueless idiot hold an infant by the waist so that he was almost bent double.

[SoCalDem]

29. crazy..but only because it's total fiction

That baby was born to BRISTOL..and since first babies come anytime the want, the whole 7months pregnant-before-she-told-anyone, was all about trying to Guess when the baby would be born..

My guess is that he was born before Apr 18, but was quite small, and sarah may have had to keep the fake pregnancy going until he was big enough to pass for a late 7-month pregnancy..If Bristol left school at 3-4 months along, her 8 month mono case (with no visits or phonecalls from friends)..my guess mid- to late march, with Bristol getting pregnant again in April..

[niyad]

30. I didn't know about the mono thing--makes the whole story even more suspect

[SoCalDem]

32. read these links.. it will clear up a lot of the "wonder-why"s

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7064248&mesg_id=7064556

[niyad]

39. thank you--I did indeed read all of them-- that whole story of hers is beyond ridiculous.

your point about the insurance coverage was very much to the point, as well.

[Robb]

62. LOL Very helpful, thanks. nt

[SoCalDem]

23. Timeline..with pics..from when we first "met" Sarah

and why I wrote her off instantly as a bald-faced liar.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/SoCalDem/121

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/SoCalDem/119

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/SoCalDem/120

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/SoCalDem/118

[niyad]

36. that "pregnancy" pic looks like she has a large cushion wrapped around herself.

[SoCalDem]

38. The red shirt pic was with Track.. her first prenancy..she was 8 months along

back when her stomach muscles were still young & tight..

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[The_Unbeliever]

40. What is your OBSESSION with Palin?

Forgive me, friends, but I don't understand why all of you ridicule Palin incessantly and then continue to talk about her. You say she's an idiot, etc. and then you continue to talk about her? I think she's in your head. If she's irrelevant then stop posting about her already. Sorry to sound so harsh but I am SICK of hearing about her and then I come to this board and all of you continue to talk about her. Enough already! Please, move on! Thank you. ;)

[niyad]

42. welcome to DU-- it's the old adage, "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer"

she is truly an idiot, but that didn't stop gwb from stealing the people's house. and the people who brought us that disaster are still very much around, thanks to the fact that the whole cabal is not being investigated.

[riderinthestorm]

44. This is a discussion board. You can put threads on "ignore" that you dislike

and personally, I'd advise you to ignore Sarah Palin at your peril. She's been made into a media star by the right wing Rethugs, she's not going away.

[kestrel91316]

49. Feel free to ignore all the threads you want, but don't presume to come here and

tell people what issues and persons they should concern themselves with. Palin, like it or not, is being held up by the RW as their Great White Hope for regaining the WH in 2012. Anyone who ignores her is a damned fool.

[tanyev]

61. Feel free to use the Hide Thread and Ignore features.

[Robb]

63. What's yours?

...Posting in all the Palin threads. :eyes:

[Politicalboi]

43. And being a Gov

She should have had a doctor on the plane with her and Todd. I don't believe her story one bit, and I think the baby might be Bristol's and Track's.

[pansypoo53219]

46. can you say hoping

for a god given 'natural abortion-still birth-oops"?

[cbdo2007]

47. and the week SP gave birth just happens to be the same week Bristol conceived hers.

[buzzycrumbhunger]

54. I never understood why the pregnancy was dismissed

. . . as not important. If nothing else, it's just one more big, frickin' scandal to show the woman can't be trusted. Here's a good blog focused on Babygate, and here's a great timeline with photos for comparison. Doesn't prove whose baby it is, but by golly, I don't think it was hers.

Honestly, that this woman got as close as she did to the White House instead of the Jerry Springer show--and that there are still way too many people who think she's legit--is really scary. Kind of disproves the theory of evolution for this many stupid people to even be around, doesn't it?

Honestly, I don't know whether to feel sorry for all those kids, or worried about what havoc another generation of Palins might wreak upon the world.

[HughBeaumont]

64. I'm in the "Her story smells worse than a summer landfill" camp.

The timelines and photos in the links . . . I'm sorry, Sar-uh, it's just not believable.

[buzzycrumbhunger]

65. I figured there was a sexist element to it

. . . the fact that pregnancy is a women's thing and "not important" (even as it relates to someone who might do it again in the Oval Office?) was perhaps why the story flopped as a news item. I suspect more women pricked up their ears, especially the ones of us who've had babies. (Having BTDT makes you more keenly attuned--it's like when you buy a PT Cruiser and suddenly the world is full of them.) I thought the photo comparison timeline was particularly effective and made it easier for everyone else to realize how fishy it all is.

Summer landfill works for me, too. :)

[earth mom]

55. I keep waiting for Levi to tell us all the truth. Maybe he will if they don't let him see his kid.nt