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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 10:01 AM
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A School of Minnows
One evening this semester, in a criminal justice class, another student was talking about an incident he had recently been involved with, as part of his job. He is a state trooper, who is working on continuing his education. It was interesting to me, because the class gives a lot of different perspectives. He told about some of the problems that result from "holes in the net" between the justice system and human services.

An older woman in the class took the opportunity to engage in a rant about our county’s various human service agencies. At one point, she mentioned my mother by her title (she runs an agency), and then said that Mom’s husband, who used to run "jail groups," was "a real prick." I couldn’t help myself: I said, "Oh, you mean my father," and gave his name. There was a brief, uncomfortable silence. Then she said, "I’m sorry. I hate your father. But you seem nice."

Although Dad isn’t a famous person, and has identified his role in life as being a little minnow in a little pond in rural North America, he casts a certain shadow in that pond. And so it is that just as I experienced that shadow in an evening classroom, I was aware of it a couple years ago, when I quietly "signed up" on DU. I already knew that some people here liked Dad, and some viewed him in terms similar to that old lady in my class. And because I’ve forgotten "who" I had logged on as – it was during the third-shift, graveyard hours when I worked at a group home – I’m not able to accept the nice invitation that some people offered here, in response to what Dad called "The Wounded Waterman Threads," to continue to be part of this forum as "myself." Instead, for the time being, I’ll post from this shadow. But, I’m confident that anyone reading this will be able to tell the difference between Dad and myself.

"Shadows" are funny things, really. They are real, but they aren’t. When my brother read the "WWT," he told me to quit copying Dad’s style. I pointed out a term paper he is writing, which he asked me to skim for him? He said that is "different." I guess it’s okay, for an A.

One of my cousins tells a funny story. She is a journalist. She taught journalism at a university. She wrote for a legal journal. But her goal has always been to write about sports. So when she got a job as an sports editor for a newspaper, she was really excited. She showed her father a few of her articles. My uncle gave the proud father praise, but added, "You should have Uncle Pat help you with this one." Just when you think you’ve swam from that little pond into the big lake, you see that small minnow’s shadow.

My cousin is friends with Michael Moore. Some people like him, some people don’t. Either way, I think that everyone should see his new movie about "capitalism." I took my sister and father to it a while back, and it was outstanding. In the past week, quite a few of the threads I’ve read on this forum have reminded me of parts of that movie. For just one example, there was a thread with a title about our country being run by criminals. The people that Moore identifies in his movie are absolutely, 100% criminal. They are involved in a criminal conspiracy.

Some people are uncomfortable with the word "conspiracy." I’m not. Some people hesitate to call a person a "criminal," unless they have been convicted. A television news show can play a film clip of a criminal committing a crime, and they are still careful to call him an "alleged" criminal.

There was a web site that published most of Dick Cheney’s interview with the guys investigating the "Plame Scandal." Over and over again, Cheney lied and said that he could not remember this, and wasn’t able to recall that. Are you kidding me? He should have been prosecuted. The fact that he wasn’t doesn’t mean that he wasn’t a criminal, knee-deep in a criminal conspiracy. It just means that some farm animals are more equal than others.

I was talking to Dad about this last night. This case really gets him going. He had me fetch a few of his books about Robert Kennedy. In one, titled "The Enemy Within," (by RFK), it tells about when Kennedy served with a Senate Subcommittee, that was investigating organized crime’s influence on unions. Kennedy has Sam Giacana, a mobster, on the witness stand. Giancana takes the Fifth Amendment over thirty times. How is that different than Cheney’s memory problems?

This mobster is quoted as saying that there is really nothing wrong with "the mob." He said it’s just a couple businessmen getting together, making decisions. He really believed that he was justified, in the exact same way that mobster Cheney felt justified in everything he did, when a few "businessmen" made decisions. So a few thousand people die as a result? Business is business.

I’m trying to get Dad to read two books by John Perkins, "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man," and "The Secret History of the American Empire." They are excellent books, that reveal the dark side of many of those businessmen’s decisions. These two books go together with Moore’s new movie. Just as you owe it to yourself to see that movie, you should read those two books.

One of the good things about Moore’s movie and Perkins’ books is that they don’t stop after identifying the criminal conspiracy. Each one provides an outline of some of the steps that Moore and Perkins think that we need to take, to confront the serious problems that are ruining our country. These are the types of things that I think people on the internet need to be talking about – and doing. It doesn’t matter if you are a minnow in a small pond, or a small fish in a large lake. As Perkins has pointed out, although corporations are extremely powerful, and the businessmen running them are without conscience, the united efforts of common people have forced them to clean some of the toxic wastes that they used to dump into our water supply, and we can continue our efforts to regulate them now and in the future.

As Dad frequently says, "Keep fighting the Good Fight." He’s doing some better now, at least compared to how he was a week ago. I’ll continue to keep you updated from time to time.

Corey
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 10:19 AM
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1. Heya, H20....
...glad to see you posting.

Sorry you have been so ill ~~ but the benefit to the DU, just being selfish here, is that with a lot of recuperation time on your hands, we will get to read and enjoy more of your wonderful contributions!

:hug: GET WELL SOON!

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 10:19 AM
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2. I see good writing skills run in the family. John Perkins should be required reading, imo.
Even here at DU there are a number of Dems who still look the other way when covert and illegal operations of our government are discussed.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 11:18 AM
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7. Second this and don't forget "Hoodwinked"
Edited on Sat Nov-21-09 11:19 AM by glitch
he's been out and about on Democracynow.org and C-span etc talking about it. Sounds very good and up to his usual standard.

Thanks for keeping us posted H2O Son! {{sending healing vibes to your father}}
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Frosty1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 10:25 AM
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3. Please find a way to come back to DU as yourself
You have a wonderful writing style and I want to hear more from you.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 10:31 AM
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4. I agree
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 03:31 PM
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12. A great suggestion!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 05:45 PM
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14. Agreed. And registering only takes about a minute.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 10:34 AM
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5. Thanks Corey. I can vouch for Perkins and "Confessions of an Economic
Hitman" as I have read it and it is in my collection. Tell him I said it was worth a read. And you are correct in this summation: "It just means that some farm animals are more equal than others". I am respectful though in the use of "alledged". I'm also respectful of both the rule of law and the Constitution and the requirement that those "alledged" should be held to account of abuse or violations of it, especially with all the easily accessible evidence. My major beef with my party is it did not uphold the rule of law nor the Constitution and still doesn't. We have to work to correct it.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 10:37 AM
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6. Say, WaterSon . . .
I guess I just assumed that your Dad had already read those books. (He seems to hav eread everything)

As you can see from the first response on this thread, perhaps you ought to sign up again under your own moniker.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 12:53 AM
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18. Waterson....Good Name
Keep on posting Corey, whatever name you post under. There's an easygoing tone to your writing so stick around.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 12:14 PM
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8. Corey, as reply #1 indicates, we cannot tell right away whether
Edited on Sat Nov-21-09 12:14 PM by tblue37
it is you or your father posting. I read for several paragraphs before I realized that "my dad" meant H2O Man and not H2O Man's father. I too thought at first that H2O Man was posting again.

You did sign your name at the bottom of the post, but many people read only the first part of long posts before they reply.

There is a very simple solution: as long as you are posting from your father's account, why not just say at the very beginning of the post, "This is Corey, using my father's account to post."

Thanks for keeping us informed about your father. He is much loved and respected here on DU. In fact, I came here for the first time in 2004 by following a link to one of his posts that was posted on The Smirking Chimp. (I don't even go there any more--I am always here now.)
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 01:07 PM
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9. +1
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 05:42 PM
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13. Me too
Had to restart after I figured out why H2OMan was referring to himself in the 3rd person. Kinda scary, kinda Bob Dole-like. :)

Corey, just join in and start posting. You will be most welcomed by the thinking crowd and the others who disagree and/or are disagreeable, well, they are just here for window dressing most days just to keep us on our toes.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 01:23 PM
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10. Well worded commentary, from the shadow...
good to have your perspective here, Corey. Best wishes to your dad for a continued, speedy recovery.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 01:54 PM
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11. my comments on Confessions of an Economic Hitman
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 05:51 PM
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15. I was a little confused at first
your writing style is really similar to your Dad's. I'm glad he's doing at least a little better now.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 10:54 PM
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16. Thanks for writing,

Hope your dad is doing better!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 11:53 PM
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17. Well, we want your dad to get better quickly...but we do enjoy your posts.
You need to come back as Son of H20 man.

I have always enjoyed his posts, and yours make a twofer.

Give him my best.

:hug:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 01:38 AM
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19. Good to see you, Corey!
And good to hear your dad is improving. You might want to wait on getting your dad to read those two books until he is a feeling better. Right now, he needs to cultivate his more serene side and get his physical strength back. Is there a way to bring the familiar outdoor areas he loves to him? I know he has a lot of photos of his favorite sites, often occupied by some of his favorite people. I would like to hear more about this business of his books about roses, too!

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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 07:39 AM
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20. I don't think you are copping your fathers style.
I picked up on it right away.
But it is also true that the acorn did nor fall far from the tree...and that is a good thing.
But you are important because you are the new generation taking over. And we need and welcome you.

Old farts like me and your father must fade away and you are the future.
Welcome Corey and I will look for your posts.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 07:50 AM
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21. You should register under your own handle
Can I suggest 'Little Guppy'?
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 08:04 AM
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22. Thanks Corey
I have been involved in many threads with your Dad that speak of shadows. And thanks for the rec of the Perkins book. I will check it out this week.
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 08:48 AM
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23. Hi Corey-happy to hear your dad's doing better
I don't know how old you are, but let me tell you...I'm a grad student, and I'd about sell a kidney to have a student write like you and think like you do.
Anyway, you should join us. The more sane, analytical minds, the better.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 09:08 AM
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24. i'm glad your father's doing better.
you write very well. the first of those books is already on my wish list, i'll check out the other and will definitely read them both
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 01:01 PM
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25. Good to see you post this Corey...
Thanks for your perspective and best to your Dad.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 03:04 PM
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26. Great information, easy to read, well done.....
Thank you ...
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