Police is moving in on students at Berkeley

[nadinbrzezinski]

but ... Oprah announcing the show is over as of next year, though important, is heading the news at CNN...

This is the problem with US Media.

By the way THANKS Rachel Maddow for showing the cops moving in during your show,

Oh and here is a link to a blog covering Berkeley

http://www.sfbg.com/blogs/politics/2009/11/berkeley_cops_bust_in_as_negot.html

[Swamp Rat]

1. Oprah who?

[RKP5637]

11. I remember Kent State well. n/t

[Kievan Rus]

2. In late July 2006, a Jihadist shot up a synagogue in Seattle. But, the top story on the news was...

that Mel Gibson got drunk and went on a tirade.

[Nikki Stone1]

3. K & R

...

[Cleita]

4. The students are getting serious.

Next they need to storm Sacramento. That's where the budget problems began. Maybe they can get a rise out of Arnold.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. And so is the goverment a 10,000 dollar bail

for two and 16,000 for the one that didn't allow genetic samples to be taken...

Three kids taken to hospital so far, oh and the Daily Californian is using twitter... their news portal is down.

[elleng]

6. Do they VOTE? In CALIFORNIA???

[Luminous Animal]

10. They can. I've run registration

drives on most of the bay area campuses.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Yes but most folks in Cali, let alone outside Cali

do not get it, the Repugs have the power to freeze the budget

[Cleita]

18. Yes, one of the Berkeley professors explained it very well on Democracy Now!

He says we have a rule by minority. The two-thirds majority rule enables the Republicans to stifle any meaningful legislation. I believe once we get a politically savvy Democratic Governor, this will change.

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. We need a new Constitution

to be honest, or the repeal of that act... like oh yesterday.

But the petition problem is also deep...

You can tell I am frustrated... and I know you are too.

[Cleita]

37. Yes, we do. Katrina vanden Heuvel has called us a failed state.

If that's the case then we need to convene a Constitutional Convention to go back to scratch.

[elleng]

47. Repeal of what???

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. You need a 2\3 majority in the house and senate to get

any tax increase passed.

This makes the minority extremely powerful

[Cleita]

65. Wrong place.

[mmonk]

77. Is there video of this?

Also any link of the Katrina vanden Heuvel quote? Thanks in advance.

[Cleita]

14. Yes, they can vote at eighteen, but sometimes vote isn't good enough.

Many of the protests of the sixties started in Berkeley. It has a history of activism.

[RKP5637]

35. Yea sixties!!! Yea sixties!!! Yea sixties!!! n/t

[mwb970]

81. But will it work without proper music?

I won't believe the 60s are back until I turn on the radio and hear something other than bland corporate crap. You can't take over a school building without playing Jefferson Airplane albums. Mariah Carey just won't work.

[RKP5637]

83. No, I don't think so. Also, I cringe when I hear some of the great music of the 60's / 70's used

today in corporate crap consumerism and commercials. USA, Inc. Money first, people last. Greed rules. I'm afraid many of today's youth are getting brainwashed.

[elleng]

45. I certainly remember that!

and I was in Chicago in '68.

[Cleita]

58. You were! That was historic.

Michener even included it in his fictional account about the sixties, "Drifters" and he did not spare the Chicago police or politicians in it.

[elleng]

63. Yup! A highlight of my life!

Returned from vacation in Bermuda with my folks, as I expected some excitement. Had worked for a legal aid office at Cook County Jail and became friendly with Warden and others, so tho office left jail and moved downtown, I was able to work at the jail to assist those in need (like medicines, etc.) and improperly held. My boss actually wandered among the 'throng' in town. I asked if he was concerned for himself, and he said, 'No, I've got the Constitution with me!!!'

[RKP5637]

7. US media is an absolute joke. Pathetic. n/t

[Luminous Animal]

8. More than moving in.

The cops are beating them up.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Yep.

[stray cat]

15. Really or are you speculating or taking the word of a single blogger?

[bigtree]

16. read the article at the op link

[stray cat]

17. its a report from a single blogger.....I could be the author or someone in Canada

[Cleita]

20. I'd speculate that the sf in the address means San Francisco, not

Canada.

[Luminous Animal]

23. It's not someone in Canada.

She is a local blogger for a local newspaper citing an eyewitness account from a former reporter at her own paper.

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. I hate to ask this, but you got to wonder what the agendas are

to even suggest this is a single blogger not just out of state but out of country.

[Echo In Light]

75. Oh, 'those' types are plentiful at DU

Any bit of info/data/evidence that reflects negatively on Official Doctrine, or authority in general, is immediately cast in doubt, or denounced as stemming from invalid sources. The whole crusading, anti-conspiracy crowd's preferred m.o.

[rhett o rick]

54. So you think it is a false report? Or are you just trying to cast doubt? Have you seen footage?

Now what do you have to say? Whose side are you one by the way?

[Luminous Animal]

22. She is citing an eyewitness account from a former reporter

of the Bay Guardian which is a weekly newspaper that does far better reporting than the corporate owned SF Chronicle.

[nadinbrzezinski]

Rachel Maddow show the footage LIVE of the cops moving in

the Californian is also reporting using the Twitter, since their portal has gone down... strange, not really

[Kievan Rus]

28. I'm from Pittsburgh. The same stuff happened at the G-20 in Oakland.

F*** the rich.

[JVS]

79. Fucking pigs

[bigtree]

12. time warp

. . . best wishes to the students. Good article.

[Nikki Stone1]

19. K

k

[HCE SuiGeneris]

21. Not a pretty sight. Little piggies doing their fascist best.

Link to video of cops beating on the protesters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io1PBxIrERE

Edit: forgot how to speil :9

[dana_b]

24. that's why people are afraid to

protest because of this shit.

Damn the police tactics.

[RKP5637]

27. Be afraid = Part of the plan. Keep citizens scared to exercise rights! Just like the 60's. n/t

[Cleita]

34. At least in the sixties they showed the protests and police action on

the six o'clock news. If it weren't for individuals posting on YouTube we'd never know.

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. and the same happened in the 30s, they tried to control what happened

well news still broke out of the control. I got a baad feeling about this... this is just the beginning I fear.

[RKP5637]

57. I was thinking the same a few minutes ago. I checked the TV newscast, nothing, nothing at all. We

live in such a sanitized news country. Most will tread on never knowing or caring. Out of sight out of mind again. It's pretty lame.

[Cleita]

26. Awful here's another one at UCLA two days ago where a student

was tasered and fourteen arrested. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33UU6MKuWSE&feature=related

There's not a peep from the "liberal" media.

The state is going to be on fire and not brush fires this time.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

31. I'm scanning all the Tee Vee broadcasts...

nothing at all on the "news". :grr:

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. To her credit Rachel showed it in her broadcast

for thirty seconds

[Kievan Rus]

49. Because people care more about Oprah, sadly enough

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. 1930s all over again... not sixties, THIRTIES

the kind of strikes et al that kids don't know bout no more.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

52. Credit to the kids...

My son told me the story of The Haymarket Affair this week. It occurred in 1886 and I had never heard of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. Good teacher, GOOD

they are starting to teach labor in some corners then.

Anyhow this is happening because those who don't know history and all that. This is a repeat of it... and will lead to bloodshed I fear

[nadinbrzezinski]

55. self remove, update at bottom of thread

[Shell Beau]

25. While it surely isn't breaking news, Oprah has had a huge impact

on American women. Good or bad, whatever. Not sure why it needs to be covered all day, but it was newsworthy. At least for a second or so. Ok, so she is retiring kind-of, report it, and move on.

[Bozita]

29. I'm thinking there must be a lot of cameras in the area. What do the cops do with cameras when they

... arrest the owners?

[vadawg]

59. depends on the circumstances, if i believe theres evidence on it i go talk to the judge

otherwise when you are being processed it gets turned of, i check the battery compartment and stick it in a plastic bag with the rest of your stuff. Nothing to exciting...

[Bluenorthwest]

80. They often destroy them

which is one of the reasons the National Lawyers Guild is present at many public protests, to observe and to protect evidence from the police. Look them up, they are great.

[AdHocSolver]

32. Shades of the 1960's.

Can't let this student rebellion get out of hand.

If they (TPTB) let this pass without a strong response, pretty soon the populace will protest lack of affordable health care, loss of jobs to outsourcing, usurious interest rates on their credit cards, creeping inflation, global climate change, pollution, financial scams by stock brokers, mortgage bankers, and speculators. The populace might even demand that TPTB bring the troops back from Vietn...er Iraq and Afghanistan. Then, goodbye all those war profits and favorable oil deals.

No! This has to be stopped before it gets out of hand.

:sarcasm:

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. No, it is not the revolt they need to stop

if Rachel had not shown tape for thirty seconds I would not have gone looking

Press ain't covering, it ain't happening. The last time that happened was the 30s... and in the end the NG had to get involved and other things happened. That is where we are heading.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

41. There is ABSOLUTE SILENCE on this in the corporate MSM. Not a f'n peep, even from BBC.

with the exception that you mentioned being the Rachael Maddow clip... However, the time slots for KO and RM have been filled with other BS the last 2 hours. It's a lockdown.

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. Go to the tweeter,

doesn't it feel like oh I don't know Iran?

[RKP5637]

43. Absolutely True! Looks quite familiar! We had Vietnam, these kids today have everything going

against them. I feel so sorry for the youth today in this place loosely called a country.

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44. California faces three choices.

(1) Vote to overturn Prop 13 and return to realistic funding of the government.
(2) HOld a new Constitutional Convention for the state. We haven't had one since 1879.
(3) Californian's will moan, groan, and reject anything that might require them to actdually pay realistic taxes for what they want. In which case California becomes another Southern State.

I'm betting on #3. If Republicans have taught us anything, it is the idea that we can get something for nothing.

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. There are people working on number two

so I am not willing to bet anything yet..

And if this becomes a southern state, well then I think I will need to look seriously into moving out of state... there are days I think out of country.

I am tired of fighting and being alone in the fight;

[tyedyeto]

60. I lived in California when Prop 13 was passed

I saw my property taxes increase 33% in a year in which assessed value increases in my area were almost non-existent. Yes, the 1% increase may be too little but at the time, how county assessors were escalating property taxes was way out of line.

I've seen the same happen here in Arizona since I've moved here. Property values haven't increased to the extent that the taxes have gone up. I lived with a S/O for 5 years. When we first got together, the property taxes were approx. $1,200. 4 years later, those same taxes were over $2,000. Assessed value had changed by approx. $20,000. Now, assessed values have dramatically decreased but did the property taxes decrease? Not at all. I can understand why people are frustrated with the property tax system that is in place in so much of this country.

[nadinbrzezinski]

64. Yeah but we went from one extreme to another

and this is an extreme example. I had the "honor" of meeting the pig (GOP) that intends to run against Boxer. Granted he still needs to win the primary and the way the republicans are they will elect this radical.

He was actually talking to anybody who'd listen on how we really do not need any taxes. So I got my coffee and asked him... ok fine, you are right, we don't need to pay taxes. So how exactly do you think the state will pay your salary? (He is a state senator and part of the problem)

The others he was talking to had a moment of AHA... so I pressed, where do you think your pay comes? The magical money faerie?

I did not go into schools, or roads or other silly shit like that.

So one person said, "well the Senator said that our gas taxes are no longer there."

"Fine, two years from now when CALTRANS cannot fix the roads don't complaint."

So this idiot, who should know better, those are federal grants.

NO SIR. they also come form State Taxes these defunding is expected to crash Caltrans in 18-24 months. So don't complaint too much when bridges start collapsing. Then I dug the final nail in my argument. "You guys want all your services, but are not willing to pay for them... after all the money faerie is paying or in your case, who pays your salary? as in what interest groups financed your campaign? You sure ain't working for the people."

Now 13 needs to go, but we need to be careful on how taxation is done... and why does it need to go? Well one Mr. Warren buffet owns a piece of property in St. Barbara. I do not begrudge Mr. Buffet his wealth by the way, but he pays less taxes than I do... and he also agrees that is a problem.

[tyedyeto]

69. I was just trying to say that I paid the price when....

there was no cap on property taxes. When county assessors could increase your property taxes to whatever they wanted. The 1% annual increase was too small but the people in control of your property taxes at the time felt like they could increase your taxes any amount they felt like even though property values in the area had little or no increase at the time. Something had to be done and the Jarvis-Gann Prop 13 was an answer to those who had seen their taxes skyrocket at rates that had no bearing to assessed valuations.

In hindsight, Prop 13 did much damage to the state, especially at the local level. I believe the voters at the time would have voted for even a 5% annual cap instead of the 1% and the state and counties might not be in such dire conditions today. But at the time, any relief from the 25-50% increases was seen as something good for homeowners throughout the state. At the time of passage, the property my now-ex and I owned was only worth about $25,000 (purchased at $20,000 5 years earlier) and increases of 33% annually in property taxes put a big hurt on our total income at the time.

I believe 13 needs to be revised to a higher cap but I don't think giving free rein to the county assessors is the answer.

[nadinbrzezinski]

70. I know and why I said we need to be careful how we do it

5% cap woud be fine, but good luck passing that these days. But even that, we need to devise a far more progressive general taxation system, both at state and federal level and not just property. Why we need to rethink the whole kit and kaboodle.

I used this Senator as an extreme example, because that is what we are fighting right now. That kind of mentality.

[Cleita]

67. Actually, single family homes need an exemption under a certain sq. footage but the

huge mansions, vacation and second homes of which there are so many through the state need taxes raised to 5%. It's the only way to save the state.

[Ignis]

71. Option 1 or 2 would need a media-friendly public champion.

Because the Pugs will turn any real effort at either of those options into a nasty media circus.

Perhaps that champion could be sitting Governor Brown. :)

[Luminous Animal]

73. Fuck you and your #3.

The majority of localities that had a tax increase on their local ballots voted for the increase in the last election and most other elections.

Californians want their services and consistently vote yes for those services on the local level. It is the minority republicans in the state houses that hold us hostage.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. twitt feed

http://twitter.com/dailycal

So it feels like Iran...

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. Action is over

All protesters have left Wheeler. Meeting now on Southwest side of Wheeler. #ucbprotest #ucstrike

From the tweet from Daily Californian... and I know some folks do not trust it. Well their portal's down, so there

[Webster Green]

61. Fucking pigs!

I wish that just one time the protesters would overwhelm and beat the fuck out of the pigs. :mad:

[vadawg]

62. yeah right

cardboard revolutionary or what...

[Echo In Light]

76. No, pigs are pigs, and that's just that

[Le Taz Hot]

78. Why, yes, because violence IS what it's all about.

:eyes:

[Cleita]

66. Headline for news at eleven in San Luis Obispo.

"Crowds lining up at the theater for the new Twilight movie." Damn, I live in between three UC campuses, Berkeley, Santa Barbara and UCLA and all had unrest and activism and police brutality and not a peep in the news.

[nadinbrzezinski]

68. Well after all Twilight is that much more important

:sarcasm:

There is an absolute blood bath here at SDSU (no, not students, programs cut) and like 1992 the news are pretty mum about that

[MikeE]

72. Personally I would love to see

everyone who wants a college education to be provided, free of charge a bachelors degree since his seems to be the equivalent of what a high school diploma was years ago. I wouldn't mind paying a higher income tax for it either

[RKP5637]

74. AGREE!!! If this country is not educated we might as well forget the 21st century! We

could just spend a little less waging war ALL of the time. Since I was a kid this country has always been fighting someone or preparing to fight, or trying to dominate someplace for profit. I wash the US would get its priorities in better order. Education should top the list IMO. Education IS NOT a luxury item.

[SurfingScientist]

82. online petitions -Cali education system

signable, linked at this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7063208">http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7063208