WW II in HD showing the images of the camps

[nadinbrzezinski]

the liberated camps... and that is why WW II was a JUST war, even if by accident...

And to those who deny this ever happened... here is a healthy FUCK YOU.

[canetoad]

1. I've just finished watching

the harrowing 1955 film Nuit et brouillard (Night and Fog). It's available in several parts on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=night+and+fog&search_type=&aq=f

There is a particular kind of insanity about those who deny what happened in the camps. Shame on them.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. When I was 18 I could watch these films

as a daugher of the holocaust I just wanted to get it. HOW this could have happened.

Then came, while in college, the horrors of Bosnia Herzegovina... ever since I have had a very hard time watching any of this. Especially after I helped organize a conference on holocausts. not just the big one... starting with Armenia... the hardest thing I ever did.

[canetoad]

12. How it came about still puzzles me

Apart from the higher echelon, the guards were mundane, probably dull people - until they held the power of life and death over helpless victims and they turned into sadistic monsters.

I used to have a next-door neighbour, Mira. She and her family were refugees from Sarajevo. Her husband, a classical musician in Bosnia just chain smoked and stared at the ceiling. Her ten year old daughter still screamed at night, scared of the falling bombs. So much damage.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. The banality of evil indeed

why the last eight years were damn scary to me... and the Right in this country still does.

I was a medic with the Red Cross in Mexico... we got to also deal with Central American refugees.

I got to debrief people... I was 18... one of them was a family. She was 14, mile stare, rocking back and forth in a corner. I was puzzled, until mom said, casually, like a conversation. "She was raped, repeatedly in front of me."

My husband, was forced to get on his knees, and they just shot him in the back of the head.

Her voice, distant, flat...

Yep I will take that to my grave.

I've posted some of these stories... and that is what war does. It destroys lives. My dad, he is 85, he still gets nightmares and he wasn't in the camps. Me... 20 years on I still get nightmares from my shootouts and my war... (the war on drugs)...

I watched these images and I found myself just crying... like I did when I read the introduction to that seminar years ago.

[rockymountaindem]

3. Well, MAYBE some, SOME, of WWII was justified perhaps in a highly abstract way

but we shouldn't talk about it, or think about it, and definitely we should not watch TV shows like this. They are only designed to glorify the military and make us think that killing is acceptable and cool, and that therefore the Afghanistan/Iraq wars are good. It's all propaganda for the military-industrial complex, you see.


This is all huge, big-time :sarcasm: X 1000 on my part, but to my astonishment there were posts pretty much like that (though not satirical) around here last evening in regard to that series. Evidently we shouldn't even be proud that the US and our allies won WWII. As for me, since I love studying that subject both as a personal interest and an academic topic, the day I can't be proud of people like my grandpa who fought in the Philippines will never come.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. You have not watched the series

or you'd get it. This is no glorification of war. In fact, these are the same movies, except for one, that were not shown to the people back home because showing casualties would turn the people against the war.

Oh and under the CLASSIC definition of Just War, first spoken off in the 16th century in a formal way, yes WW II is the closest in the modern period to a Just War. And it was purely accidental.

Hell, I have not watched anybody with a mile stare out of Afghanistan... and you can bet your sweet potatoes they exist... or Iraq... same thing... and in WW II you had some of those photos published, but the films no.

Oh and here is one more thing.... today less than 1% fights, and 5% are affected by it. IT is that much easier to fight wars in the darkness. WW II, it was a national effort, one that people like you do not understand.

Sorry if I say this, but you have no clue of what you write.

[rockymountaindem]

9. I was being sarcastic about the first paragraph

I've seen the whole series up to this point, except for parts 8 and after because I have to Tivo them tomorrow. I'm a bit of a WWII guru myself and I'm a big believer that it was probably the most important event in modern history. Trust me, I've been waaaaay into WWII since I was five years old. In fact, I was just looking up the G4M Betty on Wikipedia because I'm bored.

I wish you could have seen these assholes afield here last night so you could have written your post to them. They need it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. I was probably asleep

my apologies.

[Starry Messenger]

4. Who unrecs a post like this?

Bloody hell.

[rockymountaindem]

5. Honestly I think some people unrec everything as some kind of protest against the unrec button

[Lithos]

6. That's my opinion as well

Sad...

[Starry Messenger]

10. I hadn't thought of that.

Just when I think humanity couldn't get any weirder... Oh, well. I rec'd it.

[rockymountaindem]

13. I didn't think of it either. Someone else around here posited that theory

and it makes sense to me. It's the only reason I could come up with for why 100% positive threads get the unrec. Still, I think people worry about it too much on both sides.

[Lithos]

8. Aye...

Fuck them...

L-

[anonymous171]

14. It was also just because we were attacked first.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Alas that did not happen on 9.11

I still remember talking to the recruiter, two weeks after 9.11.

Due to reasons of what languages I speak, they were willing to overlook way too many things, except hubby was in a sub... on the front lines.

So I asked the recruiter, who's shown up to volunteer?

A 79 year old, a B-29 pilot, me... but not the usual suspects that usually show up for these things. That was repeated, mostly across the country...

Yes, one of my neighbors in housing was a recruiter... and in conversation that came out.

[Swamp Rat]

15. k&r

[Raster]

18. K&R!

Kick for sanity.