CafePress vs Zazzle: What did we learn?

[sjdnb]

Zazzle actually believes that TOS/User Agreements mean something and are not too gutless as to enforce them. They also get the whole "Free Speech" vs hate speech/threatening/inciteful thing.

CafePress is more interested in $$$s vs enforcing their TOS/User Agreement that actually gave them more leeway (compared to Zazzles) AND FURTHER, will allow threatening, hateful, speech, even against the POTUS, as long as the offender's account is current (paid).

[Cha]

1. I'm happy..something worked out from all that.

DU dropped cafepress like a hot potato and I hear Zazzle is coming!~

[Ian David]

2. Good. I'm going to drop my CafePress stores as well. But then again...

... maybe I'll open a CafePress store selling "Pray for Fred Durham Psalm 109:8" T-shirts.
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/about/pr/release.aspx?id=pr_10years

[Cha]

4. You had one?

[Ian David]

7. Yeah. I have a few. Don't sell a whole lot though. n/t

[AllentownJake]

3. I bought my Inaugartion Tie from Zazzle

It was a neat little number with the O symbol. Good company.

[madamesilverspurs]

5. We learned that

kneejerk reactions that target the wrong people aren't limited to the wingnuts.


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[sjdnb]

6. I disagree, we learned that if

You want to support CafePress, and the type of products they see fit to allow, per their TOS, it is your right. No one is forcing anyone to leave CafePress. We are just making people aware of the kind of thing CafePress seems to find acceptable products.

I and many others find those products objectionable and choose to exercise our right of free speech to say so - without inciting violence or using biblical verse to call for the death of anyone.

[Cha]

8. "Target the wrong people"? You don't think cafe press deserves

going down from DU?

I know zazzle has stupid anti-Obama stuff but they aren't okay with Advocating Assassination tee shirts.

[Ms. Toad]

10. Just with bumper stickers.

http://www.zazzle.com/psalm+109+gifts

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

9. So the Obama Bin Laden stuff at zazzle is okay?

[Ms. Toad]

11. Which is why they also permit the sale of the Psalm 109:8 products?

http://www.zazzle.com/psalm+109+gifts

[lonestarnot]

12. .

[aikoaiko]

13. I agree with you on the threats and inciteful language because those are illegal

but hateful language is not. And falls within that category of "free speech" that should be honored by retailers if they inclined to see themselves as sellers of people's political thought.

I wouldn't want to boycott cafepress for the Psalm merchandise any more than I would want to boycott Barnes and Noble for selling Main Kampf or a Glenn Beck Book.


What next? Should DU stop Google advertisements because of the things that Google advertises?

[Ian David]

14. Done! I canceled all my CafePress stores, except for THIS one...

Pray for Fred Durham Psalm 109:8
http://shop.cafepress.com/pray-for-durham




Feel free to steal my image and use it anywhere you like.

Also, for the pacifists (and Atheists) among us, I plan on making a "Masturbate to Fred Durham" shop as well. But CafePress rules forbid using photos of "celebrities", so you can't put his photo on a shirt.

But here is his photo, in case you're interested:


Pacifists and Atheists may masturbate to a photo of Fred Durham, instead of praying Pslam 109

[Soylent Brice]

15. bwahahahahahahaaaa!!!

:rofl:

[Echo In Light]

16. Guess I've missed something. Yrs ago I scored some anti-Bush shirts via CafePress

... if I recall the site was "a rose is a rose," or something ... but it was all full-on, anti-Bush/Repub material...and they had outrageous, hold nothing back designs/messages. I wore a two-sided, Big Brother Bush 666 shirt to a Kerry rally back in 04, and it drew multiple pos remarks and questions as to where I'd gotten it.

[Ian David]

18. Yeah, but they didn't advocate killing him and widowing his wife. n/t

[GreenTea]

17. K&R