How do you like your Obama?

[JuniperLea]

Seems to me a lot of people around here want Obama to be as nasty as Bush... they want him to do evil, underhanded things just to get things done. Fuck principles... take it all back! What do you think?

[FLAprogressive]

1. I'd just like to see him be #1....

[Blue-Jay]

2. With hot mustard and crushed red pepper.

[JuniperLea]

6. It's funny seeing squirrels and blue jays together...

They really don't like each other much:)

:hi:

I'd vote cheese and jalapenos... num!

[Blue-Jay]

7. I always try to promote tolerance & understanding.

If avians can get along with rodents, then anything is possible.

[JuniperLea]

8. That's deep...

And very cool:)

[Blue-Jay]

13. I've never been accused of being "deep" before.

Normally, I like to make poop-jokes.

[JuniperLea]

22. I know a physicist...

Who just loves fart jokes and bathroom humor. It's all about the balance!

[NYC_SKP]

3. I vote "A" with just a touch of "B", but in moderation and only in support of the principles of "A".

I can haz? :shrug:

[JuniperLea]

4. I don't have a problem with a little B

As long as A was tried first. I think this is his MO anyway. I don't expect years 2, 3, and 4 to be much like 1 at all, quite frankly. Just a hunch.

[NYC_SKP]

15. Ditto what you said...

And years 5-8 ought to be interesting.

:P

[JuniperLea]

21. That too!

:P

[TheCowsCameHome]

5. I picked #4

[JuniperLea]

9. Cool! Three honest Obama bashers so far!

Woo hoo!

[prestonPjr21]

10. Eye for an eye... Tooth for a tooth?

There is already enough blind and toothless people in the world...

[JuniperLea]

11. Naw... I prefer the New Testament...

Turn the other cheek. But I'd add, "then walk away and never turn back"... but I'm not God... or God's daughter, so...

[JuniperLea]

12. You're renewing my faith, DU!

[cherokeeprogressive]

17. Renewing your faith in what, exactly, and how was your faith in whatever you pray to tested?

I'd like to know.

[JuniperLea]

26. Very good question!

In DUers and DU as a whole. There has been so much whining, moaning, and groaning lately, I'd begun to think that most DUers had lost faith in good that comes from taking the high road and doing the right thing. It seemed to me that many here were insistent that Obama be as brutally greedy and selfish as the last administration. That broke my heart. I don't want to be associated with people who are so negative that they feel the end justifies the means. I don't want Obama to be anything like Bush and his cronies. This poll helped me to see that I'm not as alone as I thought I was.

From my POV, BushCo set the US on course to go over the Niagara Falls in an oceanliner... that we haven't crashed onto the rocks below is a miracle. That gives me faith that the current administration is doing something right. We don't have Obama's perspective, nor do we have his sources of intelligence.

This doesn't mean I agree with everything Obama has done or said. I think there are areas where he can be a lot tougher, but I think this first year of his first term really needed to be a laying of groundwork, a foundation of doing the right thing by at least attempting to get ALL of the people together on issues. I don't expect years 2 through 4 to be anything like year one... and universe willing, his next four years will be even better. If he doesn't try, we have no high ground whatsoever. Slow and cautious is ok by me... year one.

I pray to no one, however. I do put thoughts and hopes and dreams out to the universe. If there is a benevolent great spirit out there, I'm sure she will forgive me my naivete in such matters. I was raised a Fundy... out 30 years, and still recovering:)

[alarimer]

41. He is not taking the high road; he is caving to the corporate and to Republicans.

In the health care bill, insurance companies are the prime beneficiaries. Obama has done NOTHING to rein in the Blue Dog assholes and assure TRUE health care reform. On the economy, he has done nothing but cave to his corporate cronies he appointed to the Fed and other positions.

Obama is a complete pushover milquetoast. He has no spine (like every other elected Democrat, with a few exceptions).

[JuniperLea]

43. So, you want him to "just do it" without a buy in from any Republicans? eom

[Skittles]

14. nice black and white bullshit

you might be satisfied with the steaming compromised pile of shit we are getting but a lot of Americans are NOT

[SammyWinstonJack]

23. +1

:thumbsup:

[JuniperLea]

28. As if to illustrate my point...

Thank you!

That you would rather have a more Bushesque president is very telling. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Throw the baby out with the bathwater. Year one after 8 years of heinous wrong... and because it isn't all perfect after just one year... cry, baby, cry.

[JDPriestly]

16. The choices are ridiculous. Why don't you have a choice that

would allow us to vote for him to be a true blue Democrat and not a turncoat.

[ncteechur]

20. Because that wasn't the question. Don't take the poll if you don't like the question.

[JuniperLea]

29. Define "turncoat" please.... eom

[Ignis]

42. *nuked*

It's Friday, and I have no desire to start a scrap.

[Brickbat]

18. Heh. Nice push poll.

[yurbud]

19. cut throat, hold the evil. Are DC Dems really so dense they don't see the difference between...

taking of the gloves for a good cause and being as evil as Bush?

Obama doesn't even have to be rude. He just has to say, ''This is what we are going to do, if some Republicans want to join us, great. If not, it's their loss," and then with the Blue Dogs, be a little more direct, ''Does Wayne Brady hafta choke a Max Baucus?''

[JuniperLea]

30. Do you not see this first year of reaching across the aisle as necessary?

He's trying to get cooperation here. If he just ran roughshod over everyone from the beginning, he would be viewed as nothing less than another Bush. If you don't at least try to get others to buy into the conversation, you have no high ground from which to throw stones.

[yurbud]

46. Reach, yes, but not use their advice unless it is helpful. Bipartisanship for it's own sake

is an excuse for corruption, essentially saying, "it can't be wrong if those guys backed it too."

[JuniperLea]

49. Ummm... there must be four each...

Four Pubbies and four Dems... that's the rule.

[yurbud]

50. the rule for what?

[yurbud]

47. if your kid had cancer, and you had a doctor who said he needed chemo and an aunt who believed in

faith healing who said he didn't, would you seek a bipartisan solution,or just take your aunt's advice on how to make cupcakes and leave your kid to the doctor?

We have cancer. And the GOP is not just the nutty faith healing aunt, they are the convenience store clerk who sold us the cigarettes that gave us cancer.

[JuniperLea]

48. Then which Republican would you choose for the post?

Because there must be 4 Pubbies and 4 Dems.

:shrug:

[yurbud]

51. what are you talking about?

[JuniperLea]

54. It's a bipartisan panel...

There must be a Pubbie in there. Obama has no choice in that.

[yurbud]

55. what is a bipartisan panel?

[JuniperLea]

56. Sorry...

Too many arguments on too many threads... thought you were someone else on something else...time to sign off for the weekend... I don't play in the InterTubes on the weekends:)

My apologies.

[yurbud]

60. since you got me confused and curious, please do me the courtesy of explaining

what you were talking about and linking to that other article.

[jpak]

24. At least 17 Freeptards voted for option #3

assholes

[JuniperLea]

31. Those were the cockroaches I wanted to bring into the light...

They are all seriously outnumbered, however... which is what I was hoping to see.

Note the complaints about the poll... I'm finding it all very interesting.

[jpak]

32. ((((sshhhhh - we're hunting fweepers)))))))

Hehhhehhhehhhh

:D

[JuniperLea]

35. Some people say it's a good way to line 'em up for the ol' ignore list...

I prefer to live and learn from fools and from sages;)

I'm going to be talking like Elmer J. Fudd all day now... :rofl:

[hfojvt]

62. Why do you think they are freepers?

Does this not remind you of the 1990s, when Clinton constantly threw liberals under the bus? Some of us were hoping to avoid another moderate Republican Presidency by defeating Mrs. Clinton in the primary.

[Ichingcarpenter]

25. Really a push poll

and I really like Obama compared to what we could have had.

I give him a B or 85% and hope and know he will do better.

I don't give A's out until I see the final report.

[JuniperLea]

38. I don't think so...

There are no grey areas between the questions, and there's always the choice not to vote, but to give comment instead.

Unless some are unwilling to admit that the actions they want are really Bushian in nature. Revenge isn't a good way to force change. Attempts to get a buy in puts solid footing on higher ground.

[Ichingcarpenter]

39. Avoid putting the totalities of your realities

in a finite of an absolute.

Sorry, this poll sucks as does your logic
defending it.... it is not professional and up to a DU standard.


You needed a place to vote this poll sucks........LOL
that is a DU standard for professional poll making...

I voted positive on your poll...... its still a push poll

Push-polls are designed to shape, rather than measure, public opinion and simplistic in nature.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

27. He needs to be more aggressive...

More Americans approve of Obama that of any party in Congress (or Congress as a whole, for that matter), and I think part of the cause behind his drop in the polls are some of his supporters who are growing disgruntled and impatient for the Change that was promised in the campaign.

Obama seems to be pursing some variation on Nixon's "Rose Garden" strategy where he rarely ventures out of the White House. That's not Obama's style, and that's not what got him here. His is an eloquent voice for moral leadership, and we need to hear that voice more often.

[JuniperLea]

34. I agree with most of that...

And like I've said, I expect years 2 - 4 to be quite different. But I don't think his efforts to get a buy in across the aisle can go unnoticed. Had he rushed in and just went wild with changes, he would have been no better than Bush. We're still floating, which is a miracle. That there is still food on store shelves, petrol at the corner gas, and mail being delivered is a miracle. That we don't have twice the number of homeless and starving is a miracle. Yes, it's bad, and I think of that constantly, but it could have been so very much worse.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

36. It absolutely could have been worse...

and I applaud his attempts to achieve any degree of bi-partisanship. But it's pretty clear by now that the other side isn't interested in compromise -- now is the time when he should return to "campaign mode" and close the deal on health care reform. America wants this. America needs this.

[JuniperLea]

37. I agree...

And I always figured the first year, which is almost over, would be the time to try. I'm betting he's growing weary of it himself. But a good, solid year of trying is a great foundation on which to build the rest. There's plenty of opportunity to say, no, we tried it that way, you snooze, you lose.

"There's nothing in a caterpillar that tells you it's going to be a butterfly."
~ Buckminster Fuller.

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[optimator]

40. doesn't matter what I want

we peons have no say in this country about anything.

[JuniperLea]

44. Interesting...

Your screen name and avitar would say differently, methinks.

[anonymous171]

45. Carter was a nice guy, look where that got him.

In politics, evil things are alright as long as they produce good ends.

[varelse]

52. Nobel prize winner, loved by damn near the whole world, still happily married to Rosalyn?

Terrible fate, I know.

[Raine]

58. It was good for him but

bad for us, we ended up with Raygun and it went downhill from there. :-(

[anonymous171]

59. Meanwhile, those of us who aren't Jimmy Carter got fucked by Reagan.

Who won because Carter was a noble but incompetent president.

[G_j]

53. push poll

just sayin'

[Ysabel]

57. could you be a bit more vague...?

- rolls eyes...

[hfojvt]

61. over easy, sunny side up

this poll needs more choices. All it has is A+ or D- and F. I think it is more of a mixed bag. I'd give him a B on the stimulus bill and maybe a B- for his efforts on health care and Iraq. Sosotmayor was a solid A, but she replaced the liberal Souter, so it's not really a gain (but imagine what would have happened with President McCain).

As far as wanting him to be as nasty as Bush, they/we do want him to fight for liberal principles and policies at least as hard as Bush/Republicans fight for Conservative ones. Inastead it's like the rhetoric promises us ten liberal apples, but then that drops to 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, and more apples are dropped in order to appease the conservatives until finally we seem to have to fight like hell just to get one slice of a pear, and we really don't like those apples. (Of course, others of us seem to think we were promised a new Corvette or something (like single payer health insurance) even though we never were.