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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 03:00 PM
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Feinstein Wants to Take California TV Crackdown Nationwide
Feinstein Wants to Take California TV Crackdown Nationwide


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Sen. Dianne Feinstein is encouraging the Obama administration to adopt new energy efficiency standards for televisions, similar to those just approved in her home state of California.

California's new TV regulations approved Wednesday will require all new televisions up to 58 inches to be more efficient, beginning in 2011.

Feinstein told Energy Secretary Steven Chu in a letter that Congress authorized his department to set energy standards for household appliances, but that the department has not done so for televisions. Energy consumption for appliances with energy standards has steadily declined over the past few decades, while the energy consumed by televisions has risen, especially in recent years.

The Democratic senator said increasing the efficiency of televisions would be one of the most cost-effective ways to reduce energy consumption.

http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=70607&catid=2
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 03:04 PM
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1. good bye plasma screen tvs!!
most plasma screens are inefficient so until the industry catches up with the new standards, LCDs will become more popular here in California, at least.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 03:25 PM
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8. No, it just means all plasma sets will be 59" and bigger.
So even more outrageous energy hogs than they are today. ;(

Tesha
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 03:18 PM
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2. Yes, well . . .
About those cars and trucks . . .
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 03:20 PM
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3. I really don't like her. nt
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 03:22 PM
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4. Nationwide is where such a policy MUST be implemented if it is to have any effect at all
One state unilaterally imposing energy restrictions will simply result in people who want the disqualified models buying them in other states.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 03:24 PM
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7. I agree
however I was listening to the local news about this the other day (I live near San Francisco) and they were saying "as California goes, so goes the Nation" and I thought "my - aren't we full of ourselves!".
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 04:07 PM
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19. It didn't work that way for cars
California came out with tougher emission standards and then placed fees to make it tougher to buy them out of state and then register them in California. The result was emission standards of cars got better. Now a TV is harder to do this with than a car, but the California market is huge and if a few large market states follow... well so then will go the industry.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 05:01 PM
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27. It's a whole lot easier to enforce state fees and restrictions on cars than it would be on TVs
You have to register a car in order to drive it on public roads. They're fully traceable.

TV sets, not so much.

...the California market is huge...

Yes, something like $3 billion per year. That translates to potential loss of a whole lot of sales tax revenue if even a small fraction of sales are diverted to other states.
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MidwestRick Donating Member (604 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 03:23 PM
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5. I sure am glad I didn't vote for her
...oh wait, that's right, I don't live in California. Wish she would stop trying to push this on other states. Not that I own a big screen, but that shouldn't mean they should be taken away from those who do.

As another poster mentioned...why isn't she pushing the CA emmissions standards on the rest of the country?
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 03:25 PM
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9. Because that would offend her corporate masters?
:shrug:
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 03:24 PM
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6. I've got a better idea. Turn the fucking things off!
Nothing but mindless drivel.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 04:23 PM
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23. Couldn't agree more.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 07:15 PM
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29. +100
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 03:28 PM
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10. I just love DU!
You're all so environmentally correct until you actually have to make some kind of minor sacrifice. Jesus. Imagine the horror of not having a plasma TV. A world where people starve and you're bitching because you'll have to buy LCD instead.

Ye gods. :eyes:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 03:29 PM
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11. A world where people starve and Diane Feinstein is worried about Plasma TVs.
Ye gods indeed.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 03:32 PM
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12. Actually I think it is about being for choice, not having the govt limit choice
Edited on Thu Nov-19-09 03:32 PM by The Straight Story
but then some are all for less choice in life, I usually refer to them as rw fundie moralists who want to impose their ideals/beliefs on others through force of law.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 03:34 PM
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13. And Libertarian Underground chimes in. nt
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 03:35 PM
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14. And someone chimes in with a label and no other argument. Is being pro-choice libertarian? (nt)
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 03:38 PM
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15. Will you be arguing against
automobile emission standards next? Laws that prevent you from pouring your used oil in the gutter?

Good grief, all this is about is energy efficiency.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 07:24 PM
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30. Federal energy standards challenge manufacturers to produce more efficient products.
Without that incentive manufacturers are more inclined to make choices based on reducing their own cost to maximize profitability without regard to energy efficiency. That's the kind of choice you're advocating.

It's an appliance, not a moral choice.

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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 03:41 PM
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16. I don't think most people on this thread
said they were sorry about this. It just seems odd that this is what she is choosing to focus on when there is sooo much more going on. Whatever though. I'm happy with my 1992 old Zenith.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 04:44 PM
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25. oops.. we're behind the times.. I watch on my 13" tv on my desk
Edited on Thu Nov-19-09 04:44 PM by SoCalDem
We are still watching tvs that are O L D.. One RCA was bought in 1993..just gave it to my friend when hers pooped out.. none of our tvs are newer than 8 yrs old..

Our first color tv was in 1975:)
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MidwestRick Donating Member (604 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 04:56 PM
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26. It's easy for those who
do not have to "sacrifice" as you put it, to tell other who do to get over it.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 07:06 PM
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28. When your "sacrifice" is the difference
between a flatscreen plasma and a flatscreen LCD then yes, you need to get over it.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 03:42 PM
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17. That'll make a hell of an economic stimulus.
Not quite as big as a personal health insurance mandate, but still.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 03:42 PM
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18. I support greater energy efficiency standards
the free market has shown time and time again that fails in all things environmental related.

These standards are actually quite modest and many tv manufacturers are already capable of meeting them.

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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 04:14 PM
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20. +1
they said on tv last nite that it can save enough electricity to power all the homes in Oakland and Anaheim.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 04:16 PM
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22. But choice, man -- CHOICE!
People have the god-given Constitutional right to a plasma teevee and if you argue against that you're anti-choice! :sarcasm:
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 04:34 PM
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24. gotta rush
My Hummer is waiting
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 04:16 PM
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21. This is the same DiFi who wants to open the door to privatizing social security....
..... and has dithered on health care.

She has a credibility problem.


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