Poll: Majority Of Republicans Think Obama Didn't Actually Win 2008 Election -- ACORN Stole It!

[mod mom]

IT CALLED PROJECTION, AND NOTHING LESS THAN A KKKARL TALKING POINT:


Poll: Majority Of Republicans Think Obama Didn't Actually Win 2008 Election -- ACORN Stole It!
Eric Kleefeld | November 19, 2009, 12:28PM



The new national poll from Public Policy Polling (D) has an astonishing number about paranoia among the GOP base: Republicans do not think President Obama actually won the 2008 election -- instead, ACORN stole it.

This number goes a long way towards explaining the anger of the Tea Party crowd. They not only think Obama's agenda is against America, but they don't think he was actually the choice of the American people at all! Interestingly, NY-23 Conservative candidate Doug Hoffman is nowaccusing ACORN of stealing his race, and Fox News personalities have often speculated about ACORN stealing the 2008 Minnesota Senate race for Al Franken.

The poll asked this question: "Do you think that Barack Obama legitimately won the Presidential election last year, or do you think that ACORN stole it for him?" The overall top-line is legitimately won 62%, ACORN stole it 26%.

Among Republicans, however, only 27% say Obama actually won the race, with 52% -- an outright majority -- saying that ACORN stole it, and 21% are undecided. Among McCain voters, the breakdown is 31%-49%-20%. By comparison, independents weigh in at 72%-18%-10%, and Democrats are 86%-9%-4%.

Now, the obvious comparison would be that many Democrats felt that George W. Bush didn't legitimately win the 2000 election. But there are some clear differences.

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http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/poll-gop-base-thinks-obama-didnt-actually-win-2008-election----acorn-stole-it.php?ref=fpb

[Deep13]

1. .

:banghead:

[rurallib]

2. How can you possibly deal with people that are so delusional?

[Golden Raisin]

5. But Dubya's selection by the

Supreme Court and Dance with Diebold is just fine and dandy.

[doc03]

3. We didn't think GWB won in 2000 either n/t

[CJCRANE]

6. "we" = obscure bloggers, it isn't equivalent nt

[doc03]

23. I shouldn't have said " we ", I am not convinced, both sides

can give a convincing argument supporting their side. I wouldn't stake my life on either side.

[CJCRANE]

39. Trouble is, Repubs live in their own little world.

Their "convincing argument" usually misses out most of the facts (which to them don't exist because they have very restricted information sources).

[polichick]

7. Whole other situation - Florida was run by a Bush and his lackeys. nt

[Deep13]

16. We were right.

Just because both sides make a similar complaint does not mean they have equally valid arguments.

[Saboburns]

20. What a wonderfully succint, logical argument.

Thank You.

[doc03]

22. I am not positive we were right, both sides can produce

evidence supporting their belief there are many on their side that are just as convinced in their beliefs about Acorn as you are about Florida.

[Deep13]

26. Like what?

If true, that that was a hell of a rigging. Florida, Virginia, Colorado, N.Carolina, Indiana, the whole west coast, the whole east coast as far south as D.C. The entire Great Lakes region.

What could a puny group like ACORN have done to rig that?

[doc03]

29. I am sure the Republicans could give you some kind

of explanation for that. I have seen numerous reports that Bush actually won the recount in Florida and I have seen contradictory reports that Gore won, I don't claim to know either way.

[Deep13]

35. In the case of FL...

...most of the pro-Bush recount stories relied on simply running the ballots through the machines again. Relying on voter intent in ambiguous cases gave it to Gore. But this is beside the point. Thousands and thousands of likely D. voters (apparent by the color of their skin) were deregistered in an unusually aggressive voter role purge shortly before the election. Many, many people got to the polling station and were shown as unregistered because of it. Again, most of them were Black. This was the finding of the U.S. Civil rights Commission right after the election. Plus it was the one state where a candidate's brother and his troll were making the rules.

[GreenTea]

41. Then why did the republicans go to the republican majority US Surpreme Court before liberal

Dade County was recounted to STOP the voting and the republican court stops the voting in Bush's favor? - Fuck dude pay attention.....Why were republicans shipped in from out of state to FL to pound on doors, scream, threaten violence & intimate poll workers to STOP the vote counting in FL in 2000? Why was the voting too close to call on election night and Bush's cousin at Fox 'News' called it for the pea-brain Bush, when he was only ahead by relatively few votes before some liberal counties checked in....Shit Dude....It's as clear as your denying the obvious....Brother & FL Guv Jeb Bush & Florida's head of Bush's Campaign, Sec. of State, Katrine Harris (who counts the votes) were in full control....

Now, how in the fuck might have ACORN stolen a national election?

Do you want to get into all the bullshit pulled by Ohio Republican Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell in the 2008 election? Without stealing Ohio Bush doesn't get another four years....Ohio was even more clearly stolen than Florida obviously was!

Dude, you live in a dream world!

[EOTE]

45. Damn straight. Anyone who knows a decent amount regarding Fl.'s role in the 2000 election

knows that Bush didn't legitimately carry the state. And this is in spite of the fact that Katherine Harris eliminated thousands upon thousands of legitimate Democratic voters before the election even began through Choice Point technologies. Without that database scrubbing, Gore would have won Florida by tens of thousands of votes. Even with the scrubbing, he would have won by at least several hundred votes. Either way, Democracy died to a certain extent on that day in December 2000.

[Ken Burch]

4. Why would any DEMOCRAT believe "ACORN STOLE IT"?

Who are those 9%? The Provisional Wing of the PUMAS?

[Deep13]

17. Maybe the question was...

..."What's that thing in the squirrel's mouth and how did he get it?"

ACORN. STOLE IT.

[Ken Burch]

38. Ah...that's it...

n/t.

[MattBaggins]

43. We have more than 9% right here on DU

We have a large number of DUers that hate the organization.

[Ken Burch]

44. Which is weird, because it helped this party a lot

Why would anyone hate an organization that was objectively allied to us?

[The Straight Story]

8. 2000, 2004, 2008 all stolen

we need some election reform.

[RDANGELO]

9. This demonstrates how manipulated these people are.

Tribalism is a powerful human instinct. Thats how these people are controlled.

[elocs]

10. Oh, you mean this story which has been on the Front Page for hours with 18 Recs?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4153095

[The Straight Story]

11. Yeah, the one in LBN - this one is in GD

:)

[mod mom]

14. Excuse me..I did a search in GD.

I never read LBN and just searched GD.

[Uncle Joe]

12. Projection push polling from an outfit that advertises Palin's Book on it's website.

Thanks for the thread, mod mom.

[B Calm]

13. Are these are the same people who call him a Nazi, Socialist, Communist,

Fascist, Muslim, Black African from Kenya, and the man who wants to pull the plug on grandma?

[ronsii]

42. forget something???

You left out 'Statist' and you messed up it's 'Half black Kenyan'.... Just sayin'

[B Calm]

46. Did I mention he was BLACK and wants to pull the plug on grandma?

Republicans are not acting any different than they always have. First they gain power, then they bankrupt the country with hopes of doing away with social programs that keep the working poor from falling through the cracks. They start unnecessary wars and make or twist laws as situations change. They take bribes from special interest groups and have sex with male pages. All the time while sitting around and jacking off with no lubrication to Mad Magazines. When people say ENOUGH, they vote in Democrats to clean up their mess. When the cons are out of power they sit on their big fat hemorrhoid asses and make up shit and point their brown stained fingers at the totally innocent democrats.

I'm almost 60 yrs old now and I've seen this repeat itself over and over. It's like GROUNDHOG DAY every election cycle!

[B Calm]

47. Did I mention he was BLACK and wants to pull the plug on grandma?

Republicans are not acting any different than they always have. First they gain power, then they bankrupt the country with hopes of doing away with social programs that keep the working poor from falling through the cracks. They start unnecessary wars and make or twist laws as situations change. They take bribes from special interest groups and have sex with male pages. All the time while sitting around and jacking off with no lubrication to Mad Magazines. When people say ENOUGH, they vote in Democrats to clean up their mess. When the cons are out of power they sit on their big fat hemorrhoid asses and make up shit and point their brown stained fingers at the totally innocent democrats.

I'm almost 60 yrs old now and I've seen this repeat itself over and over. It's like GROUNDHOG DAY every election cycle!

[DearAbby]

15. Doug Hoffman Says ACORN, Labor Unions Stole Election in NY-23

Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman, who lost the race for Congress in New York's 23rd District to Democrat Bill Owens, is alleging that ACORN and labor unions helped Owens steal the election, Politico reports. On Wednesday, Hoffman retracted his election night concession statement and asked supporters for donations to help fund a legal challenge to the results.

"As evidence surfaces, we find out that reported results from election night were far from accurate. ACORN and the unions did their best to try and sway the results to Obamacare supporter Bill Owens," Hoffman wrote on his campaign site. "Rest assured, they will not succeed, and I am therefore revoking my statement of concession."

A Republican elections commissioner has called the allegations of fraud "absolutely false."

Hoffman is believed to have next to no chance of pulling out a victory. According to numbers reported in the Watertown Daily Times, he would need to win 80 percent of still-uncounted absentee ballots, many of which come from Democratic strongholds in the district.
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Link:

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/11/19/doug-hoffman-says-acorn-labor-unions-stole-election-in-ny-23/

[dysfunctional press]

18. how many of them know what the acronym 'ACORN' stands for, what they do...

and how they function...?

i'd wager a small minority of them, at best.

[sufrommich]

19. I think ACORN stole my reading glasses too. Just sayin'. nt

[madmom]

21. republicans think?

[TwilightGardener]

24. Yeah, cause America was really hungry for a 72-year-old man with signs of dementia

and not one valid idea, and his dingbatty sidekick with CERTAIN dementia. And we could have had them, too, if it wasn't for those meddling ACORN kids and their mighty army of poor people.

[G_j]

25. Obama & Bush: clear differences

<snip>

First of all, Al Gore empirically won the national popular vote in 2000, and lost in a disputed recount process in Florida. By comparison, John McCain lost the national popular vote by a 53%-46% margin.

In order to believe that Obama wasn't the true winner of the 2008 election, one would have to think that ACORN (and perhaps other groups) stuffed ballots to the tune of over 9.5 million votes, Obama's national margin.

[Posteritatis]

27. I'm calling it: every presidential election for the next twenty years..

..the losing side's going to claim it was stolen.

It'll be awesome! Nobody has to recognize an elected president anymore!

[RaleighNCDUer]

31. Realistically, it would never come up again if election fraud was honestly

addressed by the government even once.

As long as nobody goes to prison for it, it will be available as a talking point. The first time something is done about it in court, it will no longer be seen as a viable tactic.

[Posteritatis]

36. Nah; if the government addressed it it'd be the wrong guys

If a bunch of Bush's guys got nailed for 2000, the Republicans would still claim every Democratic president got in due to fraud and that they're unfairly targetting Republicans. If (hypothetically speaking) ACORN got nailed in a court for 2008, we'd say the same thing, with the difference that we'd probably actually be, well, right to.

It's like impeachment; since that got out of the bottle under Clinton, it's going to be the first-resort demand for people every time they get a president they don't like for the next while.

[Echo In Light]

28. Not to defend those clowns, but realistically, I lend ZERO legitimacy to ANY pres "election" in U.S.

The whole thing is a sham and a show.

[bamacrat]

30. Of couse. Why is there no national cry of foul when a Republican squeaks in or is appointed

yet when a Democrat is elected by more than 7 Million votes he stole it. The Supreme Court over stepped their boundaries in 2000 appointing W, Obama won fair and square.

[Odin2005]

32. OMG, people are SOOOO stupid!

:banghead:

[DU GrovelBot]

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[BeFree]

34. Dumbasses

Everyone knows that the Dems finally binged the voting machines.

Too bad you dumbass pubbies lost, eh?

[DainBramaged]

37. The overall top-line is legitimately won 62%, ACORN stole it 26%.

THAT is the bottom line. 25% of the people are bat-shit crazy.

[GreenTea]

40. How many actual republicans are there when only 18 to 20% are willing to call themselves slime?

So who really gives a fuck what these racist republican Obama hating crackers think?