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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 10:28 AM
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Exactly How Many Soldiers Are Available For Deployment To Afghanistan?
Edited on Thu Nov-19-09 10:29 AM by bigtree
from Spencer Ackerman in Firedoglake: http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/11/18/exactly-how-many-soldiers-are-available-for-deployment-to-afghanistan/


(Spencer has) a numbers-heavy story in the Washington Independent today based on deployment data provided to me by the U.S. Army on every active-duty and National Guard combat brigade. It struck me as odd that we were having a debate about escalation without a clear sense of how many soldiers — there will be Marines (especially) deployed as well, but mostly soldiers — are actually available for deployment. So I got the answer:

According to information compiled by the U.S. Army for The Washington Independent about the deployment status of active-duty and National Guard Army brigades, as of December 2009, there will be about 50,600 active-duty soldiers, serving in 14 combat brigades, and as many as 24,000 National Guard soldiers available for deployment. All other soldiers and National Guardsmen will either be deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan already or ineligible to deploy while they rest from a previous deployment.

Larry Korb at CAP told me that makes an escalation of 30,000 to 40,000 troops “not realistic.” Andy Krepinevich at CSBA told me it’s inescapably a “judgment call.” But I drilled down a little deeper and also found this:

Obama would have something of a cushion, but not much, in the early months of 2010. An additional five brigades will finish their 12 months of so-called “dwell time” at home between deployments by April 2010, providing an additional 22,600 troops, but by that time, about 10,200 troops will be scheduled to leave Afghanistan, leaving available a net gain of 12,400. More brigades become available in the summer and fall, although others currently in Afghanistan will be ending their scheduled deployments then as well. Under current Pentagon policy, dwell time for the National Guard varies, but can be no shorter than two years, and so it is possible but not certain that two National Guard brigades composed of 6,800 National Guard soldiers might be available for deployment by March 2010 as well, beyond the 24,000 theoretically available now. Pentagon leaders had hoped to extend dwell time this year, but that was before McChrystal’s request for additional troops.

Furthermore, not all brigades are the same. Some are built around heavy equipment like tanks, while others are primarily light, mobile infantrymen. According to a September report by the Institute for the Study of War, a pro-escalation think-tank in Washington, no so-called “heavy” brigades have been sent to Afghanistan to date, a condition likely owing to Afghanistan’s lack of paved roads, high elevations and uneven rural terrain, all of which are inhospitable to tanks and other heavy vehicles. But of the 14 brigades available as of December 2009, five of them are heavy brigades, according to the information provided by the Army to TWI, accounting for 19,000 of the available 50,600 active-duty soldiers. There is precedent in Iraq for re-tasking heavy brigades as light brigades by deploying them without their heavy vehicles, as the Institute for the Study of War’s report points out. But there is no precedent for such a thing in Afghanistan. If the Obama administration decides not to re-task heavy brigades as light brigades, the pool of active-duty soldiers immediately available for Afghanistan shrinks to 31,600 soldiers.



read Spencer Ackerman's report at The Washington Independent: http://washingtonindependent.com/68174/army-data-shows-contraints-on-troop-increase-potential
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EnlightenedOne Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 10:31 AM
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1. I was just getting ready to post this
Very Important Information

here's the clip from Rachel Maddow last night:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#34029736
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 11:46 AM
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2. WTF are the 3 million employees of the DoD actually doing?
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 11:57 AM
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3. Well, more than 700,000 of them
are civilians.

There's a chart on this Wiki page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_armed_forces
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 12:07 PM
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4. OK,WTF are the 1,455,000 active and 850,000 reserve uniformed personnel actually doing?
And why do we need 107,000 Air National Guard and 67,000 Air Force Reserve?

We also have 323,000 active duty Air Force personnel.

How many employees per combat aircraft does that actually work out to?
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 12:12 PM
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5. How about you sign up and find out.
Edited on Thu Nov-19-09 12:12 PM by Statistical
After 2 to 3 tours in 5 years you can tell me.

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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 12:18 PM
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6. That would just be adding to the waste
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 01:41 PM
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7. There are far more 'support' units than you think.
I don't know the numbers off the top of my head, but the military is a microcosm of the larger world and employs people (enlisted, not civilian) in as wide a variety of jobs as the civilian world does. There are cooks and office staff and bean-counters; doctors, nurses, and lawyers. You name the job and they've probably got a career field to cover it.

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