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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 09:46 PM
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Obama approval dips below 50 percent
uh oh.

Obama approval dips below 50 percent

Boston Globe
November 18, 2009

A new poll out today is another red flag for President Obama -- it is the first national survey to put his overall approval rating below the symbolic 50 percent mark.

In the Quinnipiac University survey, 48 percent of registered voters approve of the job Obama is doing, while 42 percent disapprove. But on the economy, 52 percent disapprove of his handling of the issue and only 43 percent approve. And on the Afghanistan war, 49 percent disapprove of Obama's performance and only 38 percent approve.

As worrisome for the White House, those who support him on the economy are not the same respondents who support him on Afghanistan.

"Increasingly, the President finds himself with two different coalitions, one that backs him on domestic matters and a completely different one that backs him on Afghanistan. That could create a challenge to his considerable political skills," Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute, said in a statement.


www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/11/obama_approval.html


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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 09:47 PM
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1. Oh bullshit.
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Bonn1997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 05:42 AM
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32. If Obama doesn't provide any clear leadership on HCR and if we don't get a strong health care bill
put into law by the end of this calendar year (4 months after his initial goal), will he still *deserve* to have a good approval rating? If so, why?
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 09:48 PM
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2. A poll yesterday had his approval rating at 56 percent.....
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mcablue Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 09:51 PM
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6. Different methodology
The poll you refer to is a Washington Post poll among adults. The Quinnipiac poll is among Registered voters. I have no idea what the difference is, but consideration should be given to the difference.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:09 PM
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17. Quinnipiac uses registered voters, Rasmussen uses likely voters
Edited on Wed Nov-18-09 10:09 PM by Jennicut
Gallup and ABC News use the broadest term, which is all adults. Gallup has consistently shown his ratings anywhere from 50 to 55% in the last few weeks. I would say it is anything between that. Quinnipiac seems way too low. And they are a little polling firm out of Quinnipiac University here in Hamden, CT.
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mcablue Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:14 PM
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20. In Gallup his approval is 50%, compared to 48% by Quinnipiac. I don't see the big difference
Edited on Wed Nov-18-09 10:14 PM by mcablue
2% is not a significant difference.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:17 PM
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22. It is 50% today. Nov 11th through the 13th it was 54%. It bounces around
alot. To say it is just at 48% and could go lower is different then watching that daily poll go up and down. It has yet to go below 50%. It may tomorrow, who knows?
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 09:50 PM
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3. Not bad for someone who has an entire cable news channel and almost all of talk radio....
...calling him the AntiChrist.:thumbsup:

The AntiChrist polls better than Cheney!:D
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 09:50 PM
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4. His numbers are going to go up and down
I'm guessing at some point he will go as low as the mid 40s in the next year. The time his approval rating matters is in November 2010 and November 2012.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 09:51 PM
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5. yeah, the TV news will tank his presidency. eom
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 09:56 PM
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7. by that logic
I guess the media is to blame for Bush's low approval ratings too? he didn't do it to himself?
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 09:57 PM
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8. Thanks for outting your leanings
You're pretty crystal fucking clear, dude.
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:00 PM
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10. The numbers don't lie
I'm afraid.
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:01 PM
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11. No Mr. Zogby
Never!
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:02 PM
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12. Your fear and concern are duly noted.....
:eyes:
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 09:59 PM
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9. long term insanity v. constant negative spin = apples v. oranges
Edited on Wed Nov-18-09 10:02 PM by upi402
In logic and argumentation class they taught us this was a fallacy.
But yes, Obama has abandoned his base in favot of the elites who will undo him. He has deflated the inspired and dashed hope with his virtual-change cabinet and policies.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:03 PM
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13. Obama is a failure...
Edited on Wed Nov-18-09 10:05 PM by sendero
.. and you can get all snarky all you want, doesn't change shit.

The economy he inherited is now his, and he SUCKS at dealing with it. Tough shit for those who actually think he will be re-elected in 2012.

If you think he won't be polling lower pretty much from now on, get a clue. The country is NOT on the "right track" and he is the engineer.
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:05 PM
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14. that's a bold statement. care to give the guy a chance?
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:07 PM
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15. He's already blown it ..
.. to the extent it is not recoverable. His chance window was small, and he made all the wrong decisions. Too bad.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:13 PM
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19. uhh
Edited on Wed Nov-18-09 10:14 PM by upi402
but i agree. did you read my post? Just because the anaolgy is invalid, does not follow... i agree with the main idea.

no, i don't think he'll win in 2012. I will never give a dime, nor a minute of service to a corporatist. I didn't with Gore, Kerry, or Obama.

I give to REAL Democrats in the nomination process, but they get shut out even from the "Democratic" debates, SO FUCKIT.
Fuck the growing GDP and rallying stock market. We don't make stuf and sell to other countries, therefore we're screwed.
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Saboburns Donating Member (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:12 PM
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18. That's an ignorant ass statement.
Hard to believe the shit posted on this website.

Fucking unbelievable.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:22 PM
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25. Perhaps we should all live in a shiny happy world
where Dennis Kucinich is Supreme Overlord and people are made of gumdrops and candied fruit.
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:09 PM
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16. I hope Obama takes this as a signal
Edited on Wed Nov-18-09 10:10 PM by rollingrock
that policy-wise, he needs to start acting more like the liberal democrat he campaigned as and less like a republican wannabe. its not to late to turn the ship around. otherwise I think his numbers will continue to head south.
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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:20 PM
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24. Let me second that opinion
...as opposed to the previous post.
It's not too late and it's not all for naught if Obama:
1) Actually has a plan is in the midst of implementing it.
2) Can regroup and strongly lead the country (we hated Bush - and still do - but isn't that what he did (even on bullshit)?)
3) Can realize and react to a few missteps; correct, and fly (such as Geithner, for example)!

Problem is, not many of us can see that this is happening.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:48 PM
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28. +1 (n/t)
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 04:40 AM
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31. you seem to take delight in Obama's troubles. Why didn't you post info
Edited on Thu Nov-19-09 04:40 AM by WI_DEM
about the 56% poll from yesterday? People here see thru you.
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:15 PM
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21. Polls are Bullshit, even when their good.
I've never been polled and neither has anyone I know. Ever. Poll numbers are the most easily distorted "facts" someone can use. Fox news is notorious for putting up polls **they** took where only 600 people voted, most-likely conservatives, and calling them 'National survey's.
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:43 PM
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26. I agree
but this isn't Fox News. It's from a pretty good source. other polls report similar numbers. I noticed CBS has him at 53% as of Nov. 17, with Rasmussen at 48%. when you have several polls from different sources reporting similar numbers, its wishful thinking to dismiss it as an anomaly. whether Team Obama decides to try to change that course or keep heading in the same direction is up to them. because there's an unmistakable downward trend at the moment.
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:18 PM
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23. The economy "officially collapsed during Bush's final
days. American's with their need for immediate gratification cannot understand why a global meltdown that took years to
orchestrate has not been resolved in ten months. We are a consumer nation and until the beast can consume again the numbers
will tumble.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:45 PM
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27. Reasonable enough. Dems just stand there while republicans run every stock into the ground
Including Obama's
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 01:48 AM
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29. His polls...
...will generally follow the unemployment numbers.

The economy is growing but the lagging nature of employment has not turned around yet.

When the employment numbers reverse so will his approval ratings.

The GOP has bet the farm on this not happening.

Good luck with that.

As far as being a corporatist, it is hard for me to listen to the endless drivel about corporations from people typing on computers, driving cars which suck up oil, and stuffing themselves full of food that by and large comes from agribusiness.

Got hypocrites?

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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 04:36 AM
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30. The Q-Poll isn't really well known for national polls they are more regional
I'll go by the 56% rating that ABC/Wash Post had yesterday.

You're "uh-oh" btw sounds really broken up.
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