Swine flu in Ukraine: horrible mutation

[ensho]

http://globalist.org.ua/eng/144143-swine-flu-in-ukraine-horrible-mutation


British researchers learning the culture of swine flu caused the splash of respiratory diseases in Ukraine suspect its mutation. Some symptoms seem like notorious ”Spanish flu” splashed in Europe after the end of the First world war and robbed 50 million lives.


The lungs of virus’ victims become black as coal: this is the description of this virus activity.

One of the doctors tells that the results of autopsy of two swine flu victims have shown that their lungs have been black as coal.

links

•Swine flu - the number of victims in Ukraine grows up every hour
•Swine flu: the epidemic befell upon 1.5 million Ukrainians
•Swine flu in Ukraine: millions of diseased and hundreds of dead
•Swine flu: the last data stupefies
•Swine flu in Ukraine: 282 people died (official information)
•Swine flu in Ukraine: the number of diseased people is up to the million
•Swine flu in Ukraine: milliards earned on panic
•Will the WHO provide Ukrainians with influenza A/H1N1 vaccine?
•The swine flu in Ukraine takes more and more lives
•Swine flu situation in Belarus

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and


Masking Ukraine in hysteria: 315 dead


http://www.examiner.com/x-29511-Colorado-Springs-Christian-Spirituality-Examiner~y2009m11d16-Masking-Ukraine-in-hysteria


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The Ukrainian death toll levitated, out in the open, in the headlines. Forty-eight deaths by Halloween, 60 by November 2, then 64 deaths later in the day, and 67 by end of day. On November 4 the death toll struck 81; a few hours later the grim tally climbed to 86. One day later the H1N1 swine flu deaths reached 95, and by November 6 headlines trumpeted One Hundred and Nine (109) deaths.

For those not keeping count, that is a leap from 48 to 109 deaths in just seven days. One week later the death toll clanged like an iron bell at over 300. Three hundred fifteen dead and still the world watches and does not take this seriously.

But this is not the true story. The hard reality is, at the same time this ghastly tally soared, competing headlines shouted: "Ukraine Overreacts" and "It's all a political ploy" and "Expert says Ukraine is going over the top." The stories lurking beneath these headlines kept deflating the numbers. If the official report claimed 95 deaths, the masters of spin poked holes in the story and adjusted the numbers down by sometimes eighty percent.

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As more and more evidence emerges that Ukraine is facing something out of the ordinary, that it is not crying wolf at every sneeze, the media has gone strangely quiet. Only the sarcastic chuckles reverberate, and echo. The WHO has not begun to address whether or not Ukraine is dealing with a mutated virus. Several reports out of Ukraine indicate that it a recombined virus, from several flu strains. Other reports indicate that it is the same H1N1 flu, but more virulent.

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When a country such as Ukraine broadcasts the truth, it is overwhelmingly blasted as hysterical.
Correct, intelligent information should not cause panic.

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Stop treating citizens as naive, gullible and panic-stricken children, and trust them with the truth, the real facts, as Abraham Lincoln said: “I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts.”
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[kestrel91316]

1. I'll withhold judgement on this sort of rumor until the WHO and CDC

present actual facts about H1N1 mutating horribly in the Ukraine or anywhere else.

[dschis]

2. I agree to a point

We should be careful about the panic factor, but be watchful just in case.

[kestrel91316]

12. I'll do my watching with legitimate medical and scientific sources.

[dschis]

24. Agreed

If something looks a flu.GO TO the doctor. Some of these rumors....I don't know

[TZ]

3. Yes. I'm wondering if this is an internet hoax.

Because someone mentioned this to me a few weeks ago. And the phrase having lungs as black as coal miners is suspicious. Even a mutated influenza virus could not cause that type of damage in a short time...

[ensho]

5. it is not an internet hoax

nt

[gkhouston]

7. It's not a mutation.

from http://www.promedmail.org/pls/otn/f?p=2400:1001:3255143071693689::NO::F2400_P1001_BACK_PAGE,F2400_P1001_PUB_MAIL_ID:1000,80131

"Pandemic (H1N1) 2009, Ukraine -- WHO Update 2
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As of 17 Nov 2009, preliminary tests reveal no significant changes in
the pandemic (H1N1) 2009 virus based on investigations of samples
taken from patients in Ukraine. Analyses are being performed by 2 WHO
influenza collaborating centres as part of the global influenza
surveillance network. Preliminary genetic sequencing shows that the
virus is similar to the virus used for production of the pandemic
influenza vaccine, reconfirming the vaccine's efficacy at this time.
Additional questions about the pandemic virus circulating in Ukraine
will be answered as more data is available."

[anigbrowl]

27. Persuasive as ever - love that evidence!

The writer at the examiner sure looks like a kook: http://www.examiner.com/x-29511-Colorado-Springs-Christian-Spirituality-Examiner

[Horse with no Name]

8. The Plague did.

100% mortality.

[kestrel91316]

13. Pneumonic plague historically had a 100% mortality rate before

antibiotics, but bubonic plague wasn't actually quite as bad (but certainly bad ENOUGH).

[aquart]

14. Then no one would be left alive, dear.

The plague did NOT have 100% mortality because some people have a genetic resistance to it. The people alive today in former plague areas show the resistant gene much more heavily than non-plague areas.

[Horse with no Name]

17. Here you go

The pneumonic plague was the second most commonly seen form of the Black Death. The pneumonic and the septicemic plague were probably seen less then the bubonic plague because the victims often died before they could reach other places (this was caused by the inefficiency of transportation). The mortality rate for the pneumonic plague was 90-95% (if treated today the mortality rate would be 5-10%). The pneumonic plague infected the lungs. Symptoms included slimy sputum tinted with blood. Sputum is saliva mixed with mucus exerted from the respiratory system. As the disease progressed, the sputum became free flowing and bright red. Symptoms took 1-7 days to appear.
The septicemic plague was the most rare form of all. The mortality was close to 100% (even today there is no treatment). Symptoms were a high fever and skin turning deep shades of purple due to DIC (disseminated intravascular coagulation). According to Dr. Matt Luther, Vanderbilt University Medical Center "The plague often caused DIC in severe forms, and DIC can be fatal. The picture above demonstrates what DIC can look like. In its most deadly form DIC can cause a victims skin to turn dark purple. The black death got its name from the deep purple, almost black discoloration." Victims usually died the same day symptoms appeared. In some cities, as many as 800 people died every day.
http://www.insecta-inspecta.com/fleas/bdeath/Black.html


This is unlikely, but was just illustrating a point to the OP that yes, there are bacteria that can wreak havoc quickly.

[TZ]

19. influenza viri don't generally behave that way

Despite what people think even mutated viri still behave in ways that other similar viri do. And I've never heard of any kind of influenza virus being able to do that. Even the 1918 Spanish Flu that was a killer wasn't anywhere near the lethality rate they are claiming here.

[dschis]

26. What gene was that?

Just curious

[slampoet]

16. The Plague did not have 100% mortality.

[gkhouston]

4. I was just over at ProMED and they don't seem to think it's a horrible mutation at all.

There are a lot of poor people in the Ukraine who treat themselves with home remedies and don't go to a doctor until they are extremely ill. Also, the medical infrastructure is fragile and the Tamiflu they have isn't geographically distributed in an optimal fashion. Basically, these are extremely sick people being taken care of by an inadequate healthcare system and the antiviral meds are either too expensive for the poor to afford, not in the right physical location for a lot of people to access them in a timely fashion, or people show up for treatment too late for the meds to do any good. That's why they're seeing a lot of people with really bad lung problems. To top it all off, there's a shortage of respirators. It's not a pretty situation.

Here's a link, for anyone who'd like to do some poking around. ProMED a good place to see what the medical folk are thinking, if you don't mind wading through tech-speak: http://www.promedmail.org/pls/otn/f?p=2400:1001:53103::NO::F2400_P1001_BACK_PAGE,F2400_P1001_PUB_MAIL_ID:1000,80120

[SidDithers]

6. And this is why the WHO is so worried about a global pandemic...

because billions of people around the world don't have access quality medical care.

Sid

[gkhouston]

9. Hey, they're worried about it here, too, because we don't have enough beds/respirators

in this allegedly "first world" country. That's really what vaccination is about, IMO: to reduce the number of people who become ill enough to require hospitalization to a number small enough that it can be coped with. :-(

[SidDithers]

10. I agree completely...nt

Sid

[damntexdem]

23. Well, actually, vaccination is primarily about reducing the spread of the disease.

Having fewer people get and carry the disease, thus protecting even the unvaccinated who have no resistance; slowing the spread; preventing the spread of more-virulent strains -- those are the chief goals. Reducing the number who get so sick as to require hospitalization is important, but that is secondary.

[TZ]

20. Yeah.

I'm betting alot of the people who are sick and dying with H1N1 over there had alot of underlying health issues. Black lung like that indicates a mining background or long term smoking both of which would leave one HIGHLY vulnerable to H1N1

[SidDithers]

11. Unrec'ing for inaccurate information...

it's not a mutation. It's H1N1.

Sid

[ensho]

15. go here: http:unian.net.eng

nt

[upi402]

29. doesn't work

[anigbrowl]

30. link wasn't posted properly, but you're not missing anything

http://unian.net/eng/

URLs don't work in DU subject lines. anyway, nothing much happening, just two political parties fighting over flu response in a fairly dysfunctional country. I suspect all this is some spare-time russian propaganda, as they love having a dig at the Ukraine.

[juno jones]

18. Well interesting that this might be headed to more 'mainstream' press.

The subject is of concern, but I poked around a little last night I will put out the warning that the bulk of the information on this is on right-wing CT-type websites which has made me question the validity of both the news and messengers. Simply put, most of the websites with this story would be impermissible to link to via DU and I would advise caution from a malware standpoint as well. All the stories circulating now are using the same couple of sites as a source, so caveat emptor.

Not judging whether the story is true or not, but so far most of the sites carrying it have their own anti-vac anti-UN/WHO/NWO ax to grind.

[damntexdem]

21. The 1918 flu was called 'Spanish Flu' because of censorship.

Countries involved in WWI censored the news of the flu lest it 'undermine' their war efforts. Spain wasn't a combatant, so there was no censorship when the flu hit hard there.

And the censorship, and other wartime measures, particularly in the U.S., allowed the flu to spread farther and faster, and perhaps to grow more virulent -- e.g., troops exposed to the flu were not quarantined, rather sent to other bases and ultimately overseas, where the flu thrived in the WWI trenches. Whether because of misguided government policy or media inanity, censorship of news about such a flu is likely to make its spread wider and more virulent.

[Junkdrawer]

22. WHO says swine flu samples from Ukraine showed no significant mutation

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5iNNTDa8W3qJUuPAfx3fqSsToWvOQ

[dschis]

25. Probably people waiting too long to seek treatment

[upi402]

28. odd English

splash?
the number of victims in Ukraine grows up every hour?

[Codeine]

31. You are a never-ending fountain of bullshit. nt