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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 06:54 PM
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Cenk Uygur: Imagine If Today's Right-Wing Were Around for Nuremberg
Edited on Tue Nov-17-09 07:25 PM by Hissyspit
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/11/17/805406/-Imagine-if-the-Todays-Right-Wing-Were-Around-for-Nuremberg

Imagine If Today's Right-Wing Were Around for Nuremberg
by Cenk Uygur

Tue Nov 17, 2009 at 04:40:06 PM EST

I was talking to Frank Mankiewicz recently (he was the press secretary for Bobby Kennedy and campaign manager for George McGovern) and I asked him what's the difference between the right-wing in this country back in the 60's and 70's and right now. Certainly there were crazed conservatives back then, and in many ways they were even more dangerous and vicious back then. But Frank was more concerned about the right-wing of today. Why?

Cenk Uygur's diary :: ::

He said it's because back then they were considered the radical fringe and now they're taken seriously as part of the national conversation. Back then there were pockets of these guys in different parts of the country, but now they're national. So, every single issue is nationalized and made more partisan. The fringe is united behind their demagogues (mainly radio and television talk show hosts) and drive every issue into a senseless and fevered ideological battle.

It's as if we're taking the opinions of doctors and the lunatics at the asylum just as seriously. They are not equal and legitimate sources of information.

- snip -

Let alone what Wesley Pruden, editor emeritus of The Washington Times, had to say about Obama bowing "controversy":

But Mr. Obama, unlike his predecessors, likely knows no better, and many of those around him, true children of the grungy '60s, are contemptuous of custom. Cutting America down to size is what attracts them to "hope" for "change." It's no fault of the president that he has no natural instinct or blood impulse for what the America of "the 57 states" is about. He was sired by a Kenyan father, born to a mother attracted to men of the Third World and reared by grandparents in Hawaii, a paradise far from the American mainstream.

Look at these statements -- "natural instinct or blood impulse"; "sired by a Kenyan father"; "born to a mother attracted to men of the Third World." Again, are you kidding me? We're supposed to take these guys seriously?

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Imagine if we these right-wing lunatics were around - and were being taken seriously - after World War II. We would have never had Nuremberg. They would have gone ballistic; screaming for blood and seething at the idea of bringing Nazis to justice. They would have exacted a terrible political price for trying to bring these guys to trial. So, instead of setting a history making precedent on how victors in war can be just and fair, we would have lynched those detainees, punished the rest of Germany and made the same mistake as almost every other country in history by brutally oppressing the defeated.

- snip -

But the current right-wing radicals (which includes nearly every major conservative talk show host in the country; they were unanimous in their agreement that KSM should not be tried in the American justice system) aren't just crazy, they're un-American. They missed the whole point of the country. What makes America great is our justice system. We don't take people out and shoot them in the head without trials. That's what despots and dictators do. We are a country of laws, not men. We are supposed to be exceptional in our justice, fairness and jurisprudence. These people don't believe in any of that. They just want blood. But we might be crazier than they are for taking them seriously.

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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 07:29 PM
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1. They are saying this...
It should be tried in military court because it was a crime against the military..well everyone knows it was against civilians. So that knocks a hole in the argument right there.

But even tho the Nazi crimes were carried out against civilians, it was during wartime, so it was a military action. But the trial was held by civilians in a civilian court.

You are 100% correct what in the devil would be their reason for that.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 07:48 PM
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2. Pruden's a Confederate:
... In 1998, Beirich and Moser report Pruden spoke to the United Daughters of the Confederacy at the Manassas Battlefield Park: "I will never fail to respond to you when you call on me for help, because I believe in what you are doing to cherish and protect and preserve the heritage of our great Southern people ... God bless the Confederate States of America ..." ... http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Wesley_Pruden
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 12:26 PM
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19. Ah.
So that explains that pic floating around.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 08:16 PM
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3. K&R n/t
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MedfordTim Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 08:31 PM
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4. As I said elsewhere....
...they WERE there. But then, they were in the Defendrnt's chairs...
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 04:08 PM
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24. True.
Funny how many nuts on the current right engage in revisionist history on that point though in trying to claim the opposite.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 08:36 PM
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5. The riech wing loonies were at Nuremberg
They were the guys sitting in the defendants box.
Glenn Beck should also sit in the defendants box at a war crimes tribunal someday.Inciting hatred and violence is considered a crime against humanity and a crime against the peace.
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 09:13 PM
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6.  K&R
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 09:26 PM
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7. If today's right-wing were around then, they'd have been supporting Germany.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 02:31 PM
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22. Like Dubya's grampa
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 03:08 PM
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23. Oh right. They WERE around then and they WERE on the side of the Nazis
The more things change...
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 09:33 PM
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8. Big K & R !!!
:kick:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 09:33 PM
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9. Rule of Law! Rule of Law!
Wasn't that the mantra during the Clinton years?

They've played "Cafeteria Chrisitanity" for almost three decades now. Is it going to be "Cafeteria Constitutional Law" from now on?
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 05:41 PM
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26. Well said. n/t
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 09:57 PM
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10. K&R!
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 10:40 PM
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11. K & R.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 11:16 PM
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12. Kick
:kick:
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 11:33 PM
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13. knr..thanks..nt
Edited on Tue Nov-17-09 11:33 PM by wroberts189
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 12:16 AM
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14. K&R. This is an excellent and stellar point!
He put into very well-chosen words what the rest of us have really been thinking... :bounce:
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 01:52 AM
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15. given their "you can do anything in war" attitude, they'd be behind the dock nt
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StarfarerBill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 01:55 PM
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21. Yep, making common cause with the defendents.
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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 07:40 AM
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16. k & r n/t
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 09:59 AM
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17. Hear, hear!

" We are supposed to be exceptional in our justice,
fairness and jurisprudence. These people don't believe
in any of that. They just want blood."

Isn't that the truth?

K&R
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:50 AM
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18. Listen. Where I live you couldn't
throw a rock without hitting one of these Reich Wing loons. I know how strongly they embrace this quilt-work of crazy ideologies.

Every time the M$M lends credence to the claims of one of these nuts the broadcaster needs to receive thousands of e-mails in protest.

Remember, it was also a small % of the German population that allowed Hitler to successfully grab power.
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matthewf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 01:06 PM
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20. k&r
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CherylK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 04:41 PM
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25. K & R!
:thumbsup:
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NICO9000 Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 02:44 PM
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27. Why do these wingers hate America so much?
just a rhetorical question, mind...
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 05:10 PM
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28. Fear. n/t
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 05:37 PM
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29. Great article
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