You say you want a revolution... Too many here are overly-invested in the political system

[T Wolf]

that perpetuates the corporate control of everything in this country. They think that because there is a "D" in the WH and others of the same party "in control" of Congress, the changes that some desire (health care, peace, justice, environmental protection, etc.) will be forthcoming. They are obviously wrong.

That being said, Amerika will never become a truly progressive nation while most of the people are comfortable enough. Revolutions are not born out of comfort. They occur because enough people are pissed off enough that they think and feel that they have nothing else left to lose.

We Amerikans, who have accumulated so much shit that we have to rent space in outside storage facilities to keep it all, even as we lose our homes and jobs are simply too fucking lazy and comfortable to risk what we have. Revolution also takes sacrifice and that is not an American characteristic because we have never had to. The luck of the geographic draw (and genocide) presented us with this country. We have taken that jump-start as a sign that we deserve it all, with no sacrifices necessary and no consequences for using any tactics to achieve "success."

The insurmountable task of pushing a revolution in the US is clearly shown by the views of many on this, supposedly liberal/progressive site. If you cannot get even a minimum of support for "out-there" legislation like marriage equality or higher corporate and upper-income tax rates here, what makes you think that the nation is anywhere near a revolt?

The idea of a single, or a small number of leaders who will lead this revolt is also a dream. We have seen what the corporate system does to anyone who even hints at liberal inclinations. Was Jack Kennedy a rebel? Were either Martin or Bobby a revolutionary in the true sense? Christ - was Paul Wellstone a bomb-throwing radical?

Just imagine how quickly a real rebel leader would be eliminated.

I do not believe in the ability of us, using the political system we have, to bring real progress to the country.

Neither do I think that a revolution, or even an effective protest, is anywhere on the horizon.

We have what we have. You do what you can in your own life to shape it to your liking. But have no illusions that any great (qualitatively positive or significant) change is going to radically transform the US into LibHeaven. The enemy is too powerful and our side is too cowardly.

[Fire1]

1. So, for those who can't take it anymore, it seems easier to

just leave. Too many still have their "eye on the american prize" and not enough have reached the point of desperation.

[cali]

7. And some of us like where we are. I do. And no, I'm not rich

in fact, I scrape by. But I love my community and my state.

[mamaleah]

19. Me too.

I love where I am. Great community, not an always bad state. :)

[dionysus]

58. you mean you're not buying this dude's melodrama about how evil america is?

;)

[Mudoria]

64. You overlooked the Amerika part!

[dionysus]

68. no i did not COMRADE11!!

:evilgrin:

[timeforpeace]

100. Uh, hate to remind you, but Reagan was seen as a rebel when he was elected.

[branders seine]

2. food needs to double in price

gasoline needs to go to $10 a gallon

the foreclosure rate needs to double

the real unemployment rate needs to hit 25%

in short, the republicans need to win back control for another 4 years.

[Joe the Liberal]

3. Revolution is unrealistic....

in this day and age it won't happen ever, and who would want it? A more simple solution is to just move to a more civilized country. That way no one gets hurt and those who are so fed up get what they want (health care, marriage equality, environmental protection ect). Sooner or later this country will fall apart on it's own and there won't be a need for a revolution.

[cali]

9. why golly, I have all that right here. healthcare through the state,

environmental protection and marriage equality.

[Hannah Bell]

32. vermont: .2% of US population. Let's all move there!

[dionysus]

69. are you going to lead us to glorious marxist paradise comrade bell?

:rofl:

[Hannah Bell]

89. cali said it was--not me.

[blindpig]

41. There is no escape

The tendrils of capitalism penetrate every corner of the globe. Even those so-called 'civilized countries are slipping as the inexorable need of growth commodifies everything not nailed down and much that is. The only choice is resistance or acquiescence to servitude.

[bigtree]

50. I'd be more inclined to wish for a revolution

. . . if I really thought we'd exercised every instigation of our democracy to its fullest. I don't believe that most Americans have mastered their own responsibility to vigilance and activism within the system we have now. Most of the problems I see can be traced back to a cynical and mostly uninformed citizenry who seldom vote in the congressional elections and participate afterward when they please and complain when someone else fully involved gets their way.

Now I can see the problems of our representatives and senators selling out or moving away from what voters say they want and what they promised when campaigning, but I can't envision any more of an ideal system than our democracy as it stands generally in which the participation and attention after the elevation of some new power structure would be any different than it is in this attended to system of government we have now.

[Odin2005]

4. OK, get your fellow armchair revolutionaries and get right to it.

:eyes:

[cali]

8. In her own words, she's too much of a coward.

[KittyWampus]

48. it's always someone else's job to start the revolution.

[cali]

5. I can't take anyone seriously who has to play the silly "Amerika" game.

And it's absurd and factually incorrect to claim that Americans have never had to sacrifice. WWII certainly involved sacrifice on a rather large scale.

[mamaleah]

18. Yeah I caught that too.

Do people who want a revolution really know what it entails?

Blood, more than likely your own or someone close to you. I think they think that they will be safely tucked away while someone else fights their battle.

And they might not be happy with the results.

[vadawg]

20. definetly they wont be happy with the results, the first people against the wall will be the very

people cheering from the sidelines.

[dionysus]

79. come on, these peopel couldn't drag themselves away from internet forums long enough to do jack.

[paulsby]

23. "Amerika" results in MEGO

MEGO - my eyes glaze over

it's on par with right wing phrases such as "feminazis" - MEGO

[MattSh]

29. I hope you're not comparing

American "sacrifice" in WWII to European sacrifice in WWII. Americans DO NOT KNOW what true sacrifice is.

Those two levels of "sacrifice" are not similar in the least.

.

[blindpig]

42. Tell that to the Russians

they will tell you, 'small change'.

[Johonny]

45. Beware of Amerida

the Canadians are coming I tell you!

[treestar]

6. Is life here really so awful?

Sure, for many it could be better. But this country is a first world country. Revolutions don't happen in stable places. You can get redress of grievances, so people are going to use that rather than something painful.

[Toucano]

12. Maybe it depends who you ask.

"More than 49 million Americans—or one in seven—struggled to find enough to eat last year, according to a report from the US Department of Agriculture released Monday. That’s the highest total since the federal government began keeping track of food insecurity."

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/11/17/raj_patel_on_americans_growing_hunger

Having to live without enough food seems pretty awful to me.

[hfojvt]

27. you think that those one in seven would benefit from a revolution?

All this silly talk about how we need a revolution seems to overlook that a revolution would, at least at the start, be highly destructive, probably resulting in death for 1 in 20 and pretty severe disruption for one in 5. But then I am sure it would be nirvana for almost everybody. After all history is rife with examples of revolutions that brought about peace and prosperity. It's as easy as riding an escalator.

[dionysus]

62. it's just crazy talk. some people romanticise this shit.

[Odin2005]

96. BINGO! It's romanticizing, nothing more.

[treestar]

102. Is the food stamp program not working?

I'm not saying it is enough, but it should be enough to keep food from being a problem. I do think we need more of a safety net. But I don't think this country is so bad (it does have some form of safety net) that it has to be started from scratch.

[dionysus]

61. some people get high on melodrama. i'd like the OP to stroll through pyongyang then come back

and tell us how awful it is here. people are just absurd.

[Greyhound]

71. We have people starving and dying from exposure, and this winter we have

another great swell in the numbers of people deprived of bare necessities.

I guess you are one of those that has to experience the abject misery that is now accepted before you will get it.

[treestar]

103. Not true

I do get it, and think we need a better safety net. I just think we can get it without widespread destruction and death, which may not bring it about anyway and could result in totalitarianism.

You're not seeing a big picture. If a minority are suffering they can be helped without destroying everything.

[Greyhound]

106. My point was, and I think you know this, is that for many, too many, life is awful here.

That we created, expanded, and accept it is obscene. "The Big Picture" is a fiction created by the powerful to dismiss the powerless and fool the gullible.

There are revolutions that do/would not entail "destroying everything". For example, eliminating the completely unnecessary financial industry and re-replacing it with the currency control that is needed would be revolutionary by any measure.

[villager]

10. People aren't even willing to *withhold payments* to credit card or insurance companies

...to affect a modicum of change.

Taking to the streets is a long way off (unless the collapse is precipitous, and a demagogue like Palin or Beck is at the ready -- that's the problem...)

[Toucano]

11. Few will like what I have to say about this.

We're not ready for a revolution for a lot of reasons, including the personal comfort reasons you cite.

We are still letting the media set the agenda. Mine is a lament as old as DU itself.

This post about Levi Johnston, a man with no decision making capacity and at MOST, a symbolic influence on the troubles facing the nation and the world has 1,531 views as of right now. It was posted seven hours ago.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7032288&mesg_id=7032288


This post about Elizabeth Warren, and intelligent person, who is inside the system, seeing what is happening to the nation and the world and trying to sound an alarm has 539 views as of right now. It was posted 29 hours ago.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7026128&mesg_id=7026128


We are obsessed with the personalities that the media puts in front of us, every bit as much as the teabaggers are.

Whatever Keith, Rachel, Matthews, or Hannity said today sets us a buzz. As if any of it actually matters. For the record, I participate in some of these conversations as well. Candy is okay in small doses. Everybody needs to blow off steam. It's the equivalent of "American Idol" for political junkies.

But when actual news stories are virtually ignored by the majority of participants on what is arguably the most active internet discussion board in the American left, you know you are no where near being ready for a revolution.

Yes, we have learned to value our creature comforts and pseudo luxuries too much. And we have also learned to value style over substance and the symbolism of change over actual change.

Sarah Palin's book and Oprah interview are news items, true. But that book is not going to influence the political landscape and life in America no matter how many hours they spend talking about it on television. Let Caribou Barbie strut and fret her our upon the stage.

Contacting our representatives about stopping the "recovery" of a failed economic model being rebuilt on a rat infested foundation and stamped with a great big "D" seal of approval COULD influence the political landscape and improve the lives of millions of people. Using what little influence we have on the internet to push this issue to the foreground MIGHT accomplish something. The monstrous beast that was the American corporate-robber-baron economy got very sick recently and our leaders are nursing it back to health. The predators are being saved without being reformed.

Our revolution will have to wait until there are no walking bleach-headed-boob-jobs saying something stupid. In other words, indefinitely.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

44. You have it right there

There's never been a REAL revolution in a country where most of the people are still living with a modicum of comfort.

Eighteenth-century France, Russia, China, all countries with large majorities of desperately poor people, and even they went through some very nasty times and killed a lot of people who had nothing to do with the power structure.

I'm also coming around to the viewpoint that the typical tactics of the Left, such as demonstrations, are no longer effective, since the media either ignore or demonize them. More subtle forms of "demonstration" may be needed.

[Codeine]

13. Revolution cannot coexist with obesity

and all-you-can-eat buffets. It cannot coexist with 500 channels + pay-per-view and satellite radio. It cannot coexist with World of Warcraft and Call of Duty.

We are far too comfortable and enamored of sloth and gluttony to ever conceive of such a thing, much less carry through with it.

[vadawg]

15. lol just close the all you can eat buffet and you will have a revolution

the thing that gets me is the cries for revolution always seem to be from people who if they were really for it would be out there right now striking at the establishment and actually being revolutionaries, instead its much safer to sit and post online. I think if there is ever a revolution it will come from people like my neighbours who actually practice with their guns every day, crazy son of a bitch that he is...

[Echo In Light]

16. Sloth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJMPBkwGNJw

[Codeine]

34. Just as an aside,

that is some good stuff. Thanks for introducing me to it! :hi:

[Echo In Light]

38. Auh yes, been a Vitus head since the mid 80s - my first tattoo was a Saint Vitus design...

...from an old shirt they had from Hallow's Victim. Vitus is one of the original stoner/doom bands that flew the Black Sabbath freak flag unapologetically back when it was very unpopular (as did a few bands I was in back in the early 90s) ... now there's an entire subculture of bands that emulate that style, and that most people know nothing about since they're so far below the mainstream radar. Electric Wizard, and Sleep, are likely the two that at least a few might be familiar with, at least by name.

*edit - the audio on that youtube track is horrible. The song's premise is interesting, though; the apocalyptic 'beast' our species will face needn't be a several-headed bible beastie, but will instead be born of our own apathy and greed.

[sendero]

14. I agree..

..... but I will say this. The days of the comfortable American are ending.

I believe we are at the very beginning stages of a long term economic decline. I think that as a nation we are going the way hubris and corruption has lead every nation.

And I think the days of comfortable complacency are ending also.

[BrotherLove]

17. We must be close to the breaking point.....

We must be close to the point where a terminally ill person screwed over by big insurance runs into a board meeting and detonates a suicide bomb. Or a unemployed person who has lost everything hunts down the arrogant CEO that outsourced their job.

It seems like people are closer to the breaking point than some are willing to admit.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

30. I believe people have killed bankers trying to repossess houses.

And the occasional car repo man gets plugged in the middle of the night.

And the Major that went on a shooting spree at Fort Hood certainly had PTSD and a whole lot of other factors going on, like the military ignoring the effects of war on its soldiers.

[vadawg]

31. hasan had PTSD, is that Pre Traumatic Stress Syndrome

cause the only combat he saw was the commute through silver spring.....

the guy had was another condition thats four letters FUCK

[BOG PERSON]

73. It's weird

Unlike people in almost every other country, laid off Americans don't attack their bosses. If they attack anybody, it's former co-workers, random bystanders, family members, etcetera.

[Nikki Stone1]

21. .

.

[Kaleva]

22. Reason is that promoting revolution is against DU rules.

With so few would be revolutionaries willing to break DU rules, I sure as hell don't expect them to be fighting in the streets against the might of the US military.

[vadawg]

24. bingo +100

[Kaleva]

25. The Glorious Revolt of 2009 ends when 3 people get tombstoned.

The rest of the revolutionaries quiet down lest they get the boot too.

[vadawg]

26. i wonder if the revolutionaries even have a plan, i just read the turner diaries

and apart from not being well written, though as its an autobiography that is acceptable its actually a good blueprint for what you would have to do in order to have a revolution here, luckily there are not enough crazy people even in the US

[hfojvt]

28. I have never said that I want a revolution

people who think they can fix society with a revolution seem to me like people who think they can fix a broken television by hitting it with a sledgehammer.

And what the heck does 'corporate control of everything' even mean? It looks like just a hyperbolic catch-phrase to me. Either that or corporations are controlling DU and DKos and Michael Moore and Tom Tomorrow and Ted Rall, and Edmund Dantes, and you, and me.

[dionysus]

72. it's a favorite catch-phrase of the brave internet revolutionaries, you kapitalist wage slave!

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35. if the country ever did get close to revolution, all they'd have to do is legalize pot...

it would be the anti-foment.

[lostnfound]

36. any dramatic change would likely lead to sudden fundamentalism & fascism

like in Iran, where left-wing change got coopted by entrenched power to solidify a radical fundamentalism. Instability is used as an excuse for lockdown.

[Echo In Light]

56. Perhaps...and maybe at that grim point of illusory fantasy bubbles finally bursting, & fog clearing

... more and more people would realize how badly they've been fucked, and in astonishingly evil ways that include helping to finance this empire's murderous march the world over for the past several decades.

... cause really, the biggest problem holding The People back right now is, fear, of course, which is most understandable (but controllable) and the alluring pull of accepting the mainstream state of denial as to corporate rule in America, and hence avoiding having to examine and sort out what that means for their own subjective worldview - - that's a slow process of un-learning.

[Greyhound]

77. The pieces are already set.

I just find it amusing/disturbing that most ignore what is being done right before them.

Why would we think the militarization of our police forces is necessary when crime has steadily decreased for decades?

What purpose would the construction of huge holding facilities serve when we already have more people in prison than any other nation on earth?

What purpose does rescinding citizen rights serve?

And on and on and on...

[earth mom]

37. This country is well on it's way to creating millions of people with nothing left to lose.

Given the bullshit I've seen on this site the past couple of years, many of those people are not posting here on DU or in GD-P with the rest of the Kool Aid drinkers.

But give it some time, let the unemployment-now at 17%-figures rise, let more homes and families be foreclosed upon and you will see millions of people who will demand the hope & change they were promised.

[VOX]

39. I too used to dream of revolution in "Amerika," but I outgrew my adolescence...

Yeah, things stink. Yeah, everyone's been co-opted. Yeah, there ain't gonna be a revolution. Should everyone just chomp down on the cyanide ampules now and get it over with? It's a fact -- no one's gonna 86 this system, but it can still be tinkered with and tweaked, so that maybe, just maybe, the game table can be made a bit more level for all human beings.

Each person has the capacity to make their own personal revolution by giving in to a bit of "ego death," and then giving back -- serving food to the homeless, or reading books to the blind, or running errands for elderly shut-ins, and so on.

True, these are not sweeping, grand-scale items, but they do make a difference, one day and one life at a time.

[Voltaire]

40. I would like some. In the French style if you please

The system is going to turn us all into slaves if it hasn't already. And here are a lot of you ridiculing revolution. As if tweaking was going to save your lives. As if we talked nice to the bankers and the insurance companies they would stop being sociopaths. As if I asked my Senator to watch out for me instead of Wellpoint he would stop taking their money and REPRESENT me.

How has all that crap worked lately? But we ridicule people who want action now.

Feh, fear of violence. We are being killed NOW in slow-motion. By people who don't give a fuck about anybody but themselves. And we are content to keep on insisting we have a democracy and that things can be cured democratically. And still we starve and still we die and the suits carve up the profits and drink champagne.

America disgusts me because the people will not save themselves with anything but platitudes.

Oh never mind....people in this country don't have enough sense to pour piss out of a boot

[blindpig]

They refuse to see the violence inflicted upon us.

Largely because their definition of 'us' is rather restricted. When ICE makes it's Gestapo raids that ain't 'us'. When people in the Middle East meet death from the sky that ain't 'us'. When gay folks are denied their rights that ain't 'us'. When indigenous people are expropriated of their land it ain't 'us'. When workers lose their livelihood, sacrificed to the bottom line it ain't us. Oh, it's deplorable, but it ain't 'us'.

It is solidarity what's needed, we can wait until all are immiserated or we can start now.

[blindpig]

43. They refuse to see the violence inflicted upon us.

Largely because their definition of 'us' is rather restricted. When ICE makes it's Gestapo raids that ain't 'us'. When people in the Middle East meet death from the sky that ain't 'us'. When gay folks are denied their rights that ain't 'us'. When indigenous people are expropriated of their land it ain't 'us'. When workers lose their livelihood, sacrificed to the bottom line it ain't us. Oh, it's deplorable, but it ain't 'us'.

It is solidarity what's needed, we can wait until all are immiserated or we can start now.

[KG]

49. +infinity

[salguine]

51. Voltaire, let the record show that you are, in fact, the man. Bravo.

[Horse with no Name]

46. dup

[Horse with no Name]

47. A friend of mine leaves for Italy tomorrow

I know several that are just "getting out".
We have to depend on too many factors and there just isn't the support of our fellow Amerikans.
Crap, even my MOTHER was talking about moving to Canada. Words I never thought I would hear.
Our entire system is flawed, corrupt and/or broken.
We have been reduced to being slaves without chains but bound by corporate masters, nonetheless.
I used to think we would be more resistant, but, the truth is, because we were not is precisely WHY they were able to ensnare us.
Amerikans bought the hype about being Amerikans--and it will be our downfall...only many will never know, but generations will read about it in their history books.
There was the Bronze Age, the Gilded Age, and we shall be known as the Bright-Shiny Age.

[geek tragedy]

52. Escaping the oligarchy by moving to Berlusconiville?

Shows how smart the 'Amerika' armchair revolutionaries are.

[Horse with no Name]

53. But at least they will have healthcare

and already have family and friends there.
So yes, they WILL be better off.

[geek tragedy]

54. So as long as they get health care they're content to be slaves

of that oligarchy.

[dionysus]

65. do you doubt comrade? i get a deep belly laugh out of wannabe internet marxists who shout revolution

and solidarity!!11!!11!! from the safety of their basement, shaking their cheetoh stained fists at the evil capitalist pig-dogs, under the loving gaze from the tattered Che poster above the computer.

a real bunch of brave internet revolutionaries, true "amerikan" heroes... they'd shit their pants if they ever wound up in one of those communist type regimes they romaticise so...


:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[ecstatic]

55. So we all should throw away everything and live in discomfort

just to overturn the corporations? The same corporations that allow us to be on fancy computers right now, typing on the Internet at no additional cost?

[dionysus]

75. the wannabe revolutionaries don't even understand the irony of it. WE'RE ALL SLAVES!!11!!

they post, using their freedom of speech, on computers the evil corporations that are "enslaving" them made, in the middle of a work day, no less.

they'd shit themselves if they ever found themselves in the conditions they advocate.

[blindpig]

76. There are slaves and there are slaves...

"If you're afraid of black nationalism, you're afraid of revolution. And if you love revolution, you love black nationalism. To understand this, you have to go back to what the young brother here referred to as the house Negro and the field Negro back during slavery. There were two kinds of slaves, the house Negro and the field Negro. The house Negroes - they lived in the house with master, they dressed pretty good, they ate good because they ate his food - what he left. They lived in the attic or the basement, but still they lived near the master; and they loved the master more than the master loved himself. They would give their life to save the master's house - quicker than the master would. If the master said, "We got a good house here," the house Negro would say, "Yeah, we got a good house here." Whenever the master said "we," he said "we." That's how you can tell a house Negro."

Malcolm X

Guess what kind you sound like?

[dionysus]

78. fail, comrade. i worked hard to get an education and work at a small company where everyone is

treated fairly.

i'm sorry if you're such a failure in life you feel like a slave.

you can call me a "house negro" all you want if it makes you feel better comrade.

:rofl:

[blindpig]

80. Ah, a bootstraps sorta guy...

arrogance much?

My circumstances are adequate, but I would never be the Masa's apologist, as you are every day here.

[dionysus]

83. not arrogant, i eke out a decent living because i put effort into it.

what you consider slavery, uh, having a job, most people call being a responsible adult.
you guys are just crazy. rock on comrade.
:shrug:

[blindpig]

87. Are you implying

that people who are not well paid don't put an effort into it? Most people in this country are poorly paid. The hardest working people that I have ever known were poorly paid.

Yeah, arrogance.

[dionysus]

92. no comrade, you try and fail to put words in my mouth. go entertain yourself with a manifesto or

whatever it is you do.

[Odin2005]

97. EPIC FAIL, and an insult to the victims of actual slavery.

[dionysus]

99. he probably thinks he's a slave because he needs a job to pay the bills.

how dare those bankster bastards make it so you need a job to live!

[treestar]

105. And how dare those banker bastards employ people and pay them

So they can buy stuff from companies that employ other people, and how dare those bankers buy tons of stuff to keep the bank going (computers, paper, buildings, etc.) from other companies that employ people and pay them so they can buy stuff and buy other stuff to keep those companies going that also employ people and buy stuff to keep the companies running?

Eventually it's going to come back to him anyway. Somebody he works for is selling something to someone who bought something from a company that sold something to Wall Street!

Yet Wall St. is evil and must be torn down!

[treestar]

104. Amen, he should try being an actual slave

[bridgit]

57. Too many here have no idea the level of ferocity that will surely push back

Too many here have no Plan B, C, or D...no Plan A for that matter. While many have, too many here have never had to fight against persistent siege-like violence to save their own lives; so that aside from being pacifists unable to endorse *any* forms of aggression, even in the course of righting wrongs, too many here have little if any experience with designing stratagems against what is an intractable, pernicious, monolithic negativity

Too many here think "revolution" was a word John Lennon used while driving round in his Rolls

[Echo In Light]

63. _

[dionysus]

59. he types, on his computer from the safety of his basement, in the middle of a work day, cringing at

some imaginary shit.

what a bunch of pablum. no one takes over the top melodrama seriously. except a few out and out nutcases.
:shrug:

[ddeclue]

60. No I don't want a revolution. I want more Democrats in office.

[blindpig]

81. Yeah, that's really working out....

not

[dionysus]

93. is your purpose here simply to start shit and diss democrats? cause you spend a lot of time

on that piece of shit forum in your sig complaining about DU... just wondering what your goal is here...

[Mudoria]

66. No thanks, I'll pass on the "revolution"

[paparush]

67. This nation was founded on COMMERCE and TRADE.

We are living the natural evolution of a government of business and capital.

[dionysus]

70. and when it's regulated properly, it works very well. when it isn't...

[paparush]

74. Yep. Exactly.

[beyond cynical]

84. and when it is over-regulated...

How many laws have you broken this week?

[dionysus]

86. well, perhaps but we haven't seen over-regulation in many decades....

[Hannah Bell]

90. have you counted the pages in any trade legislation recently? highly regulated, to benefit the

ruling class.

[dionysus]

91. i was referring to banking regulations, the kind that would have prevented the banking meltdown

not trade regulations.

[Hannah Bell]

95. there are plenty of banking regulations too. they're weighted for the owning class.

[dionysus]

98. uh.. the mess we are in now stems from DE-regulation comrade bell.

:eyes:

[Hannah Bell]

101. there's been no deregulation. there's more regulation than ever. It's written to favor

the ruling class.

quit parroting from your script & think about it.

[dionysus]

107. you're going to operate from the frame that the reagan-era deregulations don't exist?

ho-lee smokes...

you might want to read this primer;

http://northwestlaw.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/deregulation-a-short-history/

:rofl:

[Hannah Bell]

108. you don't get it.

[blindpig]

82. That is true

but evolution marches on and it's time to put the dinosaurs to sleep.

[Throd]

85. If you are leading this revolution, please count me out.

And it is AmeriKKKa, not Amerika. Get it right.

[Downtown Hound]

88. Thanks for the daily bit of manic depression and uninspiring defeatism

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a revolution to go wage!

[Blue_Tires]

94. good points...

[Bullet1987]

109. A revolution doesn't have to involve a majority of the people

As a matter of fact, most don't. Most involve a small but very loyal, well committed group of people (see Black Power movement, women's suffrage, even the Civil Rights and Abolitionist movements). A revolution also doesn't HAVE to be violent. A revolution is simply a direct stand against whatever you're fighting against. It's wrongly used for any group of people deemed radical, but can technically be applied to any social movement ever in American history.