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sorrowspath Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 03:43 AM
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Facing hunger,pope demands end to opulence&change in lifestyle
http://ncronline.org/blogs/future-church/facing-hunger-pope-demands-end-opulence-and-waste

Calling hunger “the most cruel and concrete sign of poverty,” Pope Benedict XVI today told a special summit of the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization that “opulence and waste are no longer acceptable when the tragedy of hunger is assuming ever greater proportions.”

The pontiff called for urgent action to combat world hunger, to protect the global environment and to rethink lifestyle choices in the West in his address to the Food and Agriculture Organization, which is based in Rome.

Benedict’s decision to visit the Rome headquarters of FAO, rather than to insist that participants in the summit travel across town to the Vatican to be received in audience, was seen as a sign of the importance the pontiff attaches both to the issue of hunger and to the institution of the United Nations.

According to statistics collected by FAO, the global economic crisis and a spike in food prices in parts of the developing world have driven the number of hungry people in the world from 800,000 five years ago to more than one billion today. In his address to the FAO summit this morning, United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki Moon said that some 17,000 children die of hunger every day.

Speaking in French, Benedict XVI said the underlying problem isn’t a lack of food, echoing a point frequently made by development experts and anti-hunger activists.

“Sufficient food is produced on a global scale to satisfy both current demands and those in the foreseeable future,” the pope said. What’s missing, the pope said, is instead “a network of economic institutions capable of guaranteeing regular access to sufficient food and water.”

In particular, Benedict insisted “there is no cause-and-effect relationship between population growth and hunger” – an indirect reply to critics of the church’s ban on contraception, which is sometimes blamed for impeding efforts to limit population growth.

The pontiff asserted that “food and access to water” “universal rights of all human beings, without distinction or discrimination.” Those rights, the pope argued, take on meaning as part of a network of rights “beginning with the primary one, the right to life.”

Benedict asserted a clear link between hunger and environmental degradation.

“Protection of the environment challenges the modern world to guarantee a harmonious form of development, respectful of the design of God’s creation and therefore capable of safeguarding the planet,” the pope said.

“The links between environmental security and the disturbing phenomenon of climate change need to be explored further,” Benedict said, “focusing on the central importance of the human person, and especially of the populations most at risk from both phenomena.”

The pope also called for a change in lifestyles in rich countries, in the direction of greater simplicity, less conspicuous consumption, and more solidarity with the poor.

“Norms, legislation, development plans and investments are not enough,” he said. “What is needed is a change in the lifestyles of individuals and communities, in habits of consumption and in perceptions of what is genuinely needed.”

Insisting that feeding hungry people is a moral imperative that “brooks neither delay nor compromise,” the pontiff pledged that “the Catholic Church will always be concerned for efforts to defeat hunger.”

Despite the pope’s strong words, the FAO summit does not appear likely to approve any new financial commitment from developed nations to attack hunger. Instead, the summit endorsed a five-point program this morning calling for greater “national, regional and global coordination” of anti-hunger resources.

Given that hunger tends to be especially acute in the global South, it’s an issue destined to attract a growing share of Catholic interest. Of the roughly 1.2 billion Catholics in the world today, some 720 million, or two-thirds, live in the southern hemisphere, making hunger a top-shelf pastoral priority for Catholic bishops, clergy and lay activists in those regions of the world.

The full text of Benedict XVI's address to FAO may be found here: http://212.77.1.245/news_services/bulletin/news/24667.php?index=24667&la...
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 03:45 AM
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1. Said the pope, wearing his Prada shoes and living in a palace...
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 03:49 AM
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3. Was gonna say the same thing.
Plus his silken robes, rubies and his golden gilded throne.

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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 07:17 AM
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12. how's that Nazi gold treating you, Pope Claven?
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 07:45 AM
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18. the palace is a very old one, so are the gold chalices. once such things
are produced, they're produced, & someone will own them.

i'm not sure what good selling them would do, it's just an exchange of money for goods produced long ago.

more to the point is why so many others have enough money to buy the palace, while millions more don't have enough to eat.
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 09:23 AM
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25. Hmmm. Couldn't those items be sold and the money made given to the poor?
Matthew 19:21:

"Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me."
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 01:23 PM
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31. yes, then the pope would have to find an apartment & some other rich person
would live in the palace.

just moving the palace to another rich person, what's the point? just to make the pope live in an
apartment?


"sell that thou hast" presumes the existence of rich who'll buy it, take my point?

charity doesn't end povety, sorry jesus.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 04:42 PM
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47. A lot of people don't know that the Vatican has, in its possession, an art collection that
is so extensive and so valuable that it's estimated to be worth billions. Maybe they could put that up on eBay.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 01:48 AM
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52. so some other rich people will buy it. the two rich people will just swap money
for paintings.

both remain rich.

charity isn't an effective anti-poverty program.

ending poverty means ending the need for charity.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 09:58 AM
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53. I know that. I have a degree in it. I was just making a point about the hypocrisy of
calling for people to live less opulent lifestyles while sitting on said art collection.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 02:25 PM
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57. i don't see how his hypocrisy is any greater than that of other rulers
who make such pronouncements.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:32 AM
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55. The Vatican owns controlling stock in many corporations around the world...
Electric Utilities, Agri-Business, water utilities.

Hunger is bad for business... maybe the Pope should meet with the world bankers and work on a way to let some crumbs fall off the table to the people below? Just sayin'.

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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 05:10 PM
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50. Ancient Prada shoes of the fisherman? Really?
Most people could eat for a good, long time on what on pair of his NEW designer shoes cost.
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 09:20 AM
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24. Pretty much where my head was at
"The Pope calls for an end to opulence and wasteful living - for everybody else."
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 04:14 PM
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41. i figured that it was going to be an article from the onion...
:shrug:
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 05:03 PM
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48. Blah blah, same crap they say about Michael Moore and John Edwards
I've never understood why people think it's a valid rebuttal to someone advocating for the poor to point out that advocate is rich.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 05:22 PM
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51. Exactly.
Donate the sable capes and Prada slippers, Benny, THEN maybe you'll be taken seriously.

Hypocrisy of the kind Christ absolutely hated.


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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 03:46 AM
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2. So, he's turning Vatican City into a shelter for the poor?
Edited on Tue Nov-17-09 03:46 AM by SoCalDem
and selling all his fancy dresses, hats & patent leather shoes, to buy food for the poor?

I can see it now:.. Vatican Pennysaver

HUGH Garage Sale... Everything must go..Lots of knick-knacks..Barely worn fancy-dress capes (lots of purple & red ones)

and Hats.. have WE got hats :)
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 04:09 AM
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4. Snort
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 04:29 AM
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7. Heaven Less Opulent Than Vatican, Reports Disappointed Pope
HEAVEN—The soul of Pope John Paul, which entered heaven last week following a long illness, expressed confusion and disappointment Saturday, upon learning that the Celestial Kingdom of God to which the departed faithful ascend in the afterlife is significantly less luxurious than the Vatican's Papal Palace, in which the pope spent the past 26 years of his earthly life.

"Where are all the marble statues, sterling-silver chalices, and gem-encrusted scepters?" the visibly disappointed pope asked. "Where are the 60-foot-tall stained-glass windows and hand-painted cupolas? Where are the elaborately outfitted ranks of Swiss Guards? Why isn't every single surface gilded? This is my eternal reward?"

Heaven, according to the New Testament, has "brilliance like a very costly stone... of pure gold, like clear glass..." with "twelve gates... each gate a single pearl." Yet the pope, who spoke from the afterlife, said heaven is nothing like the "solid-gold city" detailed at length by John of Patmos in the Book of Revelations.

"Evidently, the Bible was not intended to be taken literally, after all," John Paul II said

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30972
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 04:16 AM
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5. And at the same time condemning birth control
What a fucking joke.
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LuvNewcastle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 04:26 AM
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6. This is the part that gets me:
“there is no cause-and-effect relationship between population growth and hunger”:wtf:
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 07:06 AM
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9. What a nut job!
People can't feed all the kids his church brain washes them to have!!!!!!

Greedy bastard, king of greedy bastards, makes the corporate greedy bastards look almost good.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 05:04 PM
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49. I'm not a Benedict fan, but he has a point there
It's not that we have too many people or too little food currently. It's that we distribute the food in such an inequitable way.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 07:04 AM
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8. He needs to talk to himself
Edited on Tue Nov-17-09 07:05 AM by get the red out
That damn dress he wears would sell for a fortune.
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sorrowspath Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 07:16 AM
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10. I think it's painfully obvious
he never wrote his own speeches.
A year ago, he told warned the Arabs of the dangers of using religion for political gain.
Now this.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 07:16 AM
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11. Wonder if this is going to get as much of a push by the U.S. Catholics as
the abortion issue ... surely it might get more of a push than their "anti-Death Penalty" stance that the Catholic Church normally stands for ... I mean, they helped elect a Republican "Party of Life" candidate who personally was responsible for over 100 people dying under his signature ... as opposed to saying "millions died" due to a vote not to make a person's right to choose illegal ...
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 07:18 AM
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13. Wow - I really, sincrely thought this was a parody
"opulence and waste are no longer acceptable when the tragedy of hunger is assuming ever greater proportions"
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 07:27 AM
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14. The Pope lectures the world on opulence and waste?
:rofl:
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 07:29 AM
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15. the pope is facing hunger? send him some food.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 07:32 AM
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16. They must be out of communion wafers and sacramental wine..
:eyes:

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 07:40 AM
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17. :>)
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 07:46 AM
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19. Sell off a little real estate and a few paintings, feed everybody.
Fucking hypocrite.


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piratefish08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 07:54 AM
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20. The VATICAN opposed to opulence???
Edited on Tue Nov-17-09 07:56 AM by piratefish08
Give me a fucking break.

The hypocrisy of the catholic church just never ceases to amaze.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bObItmxAGc
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 08:08 AM
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21. He oughta take it up with that asshole who forbids birth control. n/t
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 08:12 AM
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22. He's doing his part by offering them all free wine and crackers.
The rumored addition of a cheese course in certain test markets was hastily denied by a Vatican spokesperson.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 08:39 AM
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23. Hypocrite!
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 09:25 AM
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26. The Pope is facing hunger?
He looks well fed to me. So how come they're threatening to cut social services to D.C.?
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 09:52 AM
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27. The Catholic Church's position on birth control makes it irrelevant to solving the problem of povert...
The nations that rejected the Catholic Church's ridiculous position on effect birth control measures realized that uncontrolled procreation leads to massive starvation and a life of deprivation. The Catholic Church could have been an effect organization that could have assisted families in achieving responsible parenthood. Rather than assisting families the Church encouraged irresponsible rates of growth that has created the situation of massive starvation that they now deplore. Everyone of the issues that he addressed is directly related to the unrestricted population growth.

I don't see where the Catholic Church has anything of value to contributed to solving the current situation when in fact it is a major factor in creating the present desperate state that many people find themselves in. The Catholic Church was provided an opportunity by Pope John XXXIII to adopt a more reasonable stance, however, fearing that papal authority would lose credibility if it reverse its position they consigned the church to a position of intransigent ignorance.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 09:55 AM
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28. Me? I plan on melting down some of my SOLID GOLD POPE HATS to help world hunger
Oh wait... I don't own any solid gold pope hats. I wonder who does? :shrug: :rofl:
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 10:47 AM
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29. Wow, that's really big of him. Giving up his friday fish stix and all. nt
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 11:30 AM
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30. The hypocrisy is staggering.
Good thing for Benny that Jesus isn't alive today, as he would be walking up Vatican Hill, pissed off as all get-out, to throw the money-changers and Pharisees out of the temple.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 01:26 PM
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32. OH, gawd. That's rich.
:rofl:
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 01:26 PM
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34. um, Pope? LOOK IN YOUR JEWEL-ENCRUSTED, GILT-FRAMED MIRROR. eom.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 01:43 PM
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35. WHY IS THIS THREAD VOTED DOWN?


Only God knows.........?

I doubt it
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 02:20 PM
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36. Ratzinger is in no position to lecture anyone about morality.
n/t
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 02:24 PM
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37. He might want to read up on St. Francis who took off all his fancy clothes and stood naked
in the public square when he renounced his family fortune. It must've been quite a scene.

Pope Benedict, you're no St. Francis!
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 03:00 PM
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38. You might what to know why he was naked:
He took off his clothes and rolled naked in thorn bushes in a sick attempt to quell his sexual desire. The stories of the saints is one of sexual perversion and attempts to crush God given sexual desire as the evil curse of original sin. Augustine took this doctrine to its extreme conclusion or predestination, infant damnation and selection of a handful to be saved from eternal damnation. The Protestant Reformation was little more than a reawakening of the worst aspects of the Augustinianism. These people were little more than a curse on mankind and warped Western sexual mentality for centuries with its residual effects still prevalent in our society. Nothing more than a pact of sick bastards.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 04:12 PM
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40. I have no reason to doubt your statement. I guess my point was about St. Franicis' poverty
which was voluntary on his part, since his family was rich.

Yes, of course, the repression of the human spirit has long been a warped manifestion. So was the mysogny. St. Francis, of course, lived in medieval times and there are reverberations today...
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 03:01 PM
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39. hey pope , give up some of that gold stuff all around your sorry ass.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 04:20 PM
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42. So says the head of the richest church in the world.....
So if the rich wont share..does the pope think it is time to drag them out of their castles and take the money by force if necessary?
Is he going to start the ball rolling and sell a few stolen treasures out of the Vatican?
I think they have a lot of treasures that belong to the people of the world hidden away there...its time to bring them out and share mr pope...
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Jaxom Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 04:23 PM
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43. Sell the Vatican....`
Feed the World.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 04:34 PM
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44. Give up your glad rags, Miss Benedict
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 04:38 PM
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46. Set the example hypocrite - and your band of priests living in the best houses in town

Whatever.

Living in a palace and he has the nerve to preach. Get rid of the castle.

Let the homeless move into all the large expensive homes occupied by priests.

Or, just shut the hell up.
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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:00 AM
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54. At least the Catholics know that greed and materialism are un-Christian
If only the Protestants could learn that too.
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 01:22 PM
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56. As is obvious by the pauper conditions in which the Pope resides...
:shrug:
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