Morons at FDL Compare Obama to Herbert Hoover

[Cheney Killed Bambi]

Bob Cesca comments:

Comparing the president to Hoover is one of the reasons why the Democratic leadership tends to ignore the activist left as being whiny and unserious. And, personally, I'm fed up with being ignored because some of us can't apply pressure without coming off as unreasonable assholes.

http://www.bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2009/11/hoover_seriousl.html

[Craftsman]

1. If the economy does not improve you will hear that alot next year

[geek tragedy]

8. We hear he was born in Kenya a lot too.

Doesn't make it any more intelligent.

[TheWraith]

19. +100.

Stupidity is not limited to the other side.

[Larkspur]

2. Obama and his corporatist Admin are out of touch with most Americans

Instead of kissing Wall Street's a@@, Obama should be kicking them in the butt, but no, Obama has got Geither protecting Wall Street's obscene bonuses, yet won't do much to help ordinary Americans. The stimulus package was too little and almost half was tax cuts, which don't stimulate the economy. The Unemployment rate is rising and Obama stares at it like a deer in the headlights.

We needed Obama to be FDR, not Grover Clevland, a pro-corporate Dem of his Day.

[DemBones DemBones]

7. Amen to that.

It's past time to hold his feet to the fire. This "It's only been 11 months" routine is getting old. Before you know it, you'll be saying "It's only been 47 months." Don't wait.

It's time to let him know what you want him to do and inform him that he will not get your vote again unless he accomplishes most of what you want. Remind him of his campaign promises as applicable.

Send FAXes and make phone calls. They get more attention. You can e-mail, too, but don't rely on just e-mail for contacting anyone in D.C.

[bvar22]

58. Thats how I'm reading it too.

At least there are no failed Wall Street Bankers in the unemployment lines.

We should be happy for them. :party:

[TheWraith]

23. Thank you for your concern trolling.

Now please either check back in to reality, or don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

[DireStrike]

56. There was neither concern nor trolling in the post.

[tblue]

3. The point was about not making bold enough changes despite good intentions.

It's saying Hoover cared about the people but used a business-sided approach to fixing economic problems.

I personally don't know a whole lot about Hoover, but I'm gonna start reading up on him because I have no idea if this is true or how true it is.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. "a business-sided approach to fixing economic problems."

Hoover's problem was that he didn't bail out the banks. He let them fail.

That's the same thing these buffoons are criticizing Obama for not doing.

[geek tragedy]

9. Hoover's big mistake was letting the banks fail and the finance system collapse.

Exactly what the people calling Obama 'Hoover' wanted to happen in late 2008.

Which is another way to say that these people are morons.

[pampango]

13. Hoover let the banks fail, cut spending to balance the budget and signed Smoot/Hawley.

FDR when he became president took steps to stabilize the banking system, used deficit spending to spur the economy and got around Smoot/Hawley by signing trade deals with other countries and lowering the tariff itself.

So far Obama had done nothing that Hoover did. One could say that Obama is not FDR (who else has been?), but he has more in common with him than he does with Hoover.

[myrna minx]

17. (According to Michele Bachmann it's "Hoot/Smally")

:rofl:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/04/historian-michele-bachmann-blames-fdrs-hoot-smalley-tariffs-for-great-depression.php

[tblue]

47. Carrie Prejean heard her say, "Hoot/Smally," and that's why she got implants.

[kenfrequed]

18. Eh

I am pretty sure that it was Hoover's absurd attatchment to Coolidge's Lasseiz Faire capitalism in general that exasperated economic problems.

[Luminous Animal]

21. According to this article, Hoover's

plan of action was to shore up the banks and let human capital survive on it's own.

"Meanwhile, the RFC was derided by populist critics as “bank relief” and “a millionaire’s dole”—criticisms echoed today by all those who see George W. Bush’s Troubled Asset Relief Program and Obama’s own Public-Private Investment Program as outrageous giveaways. And, as Kennedy points out, once Hoover had set in motion the great bank bailout of 1931, he “had given up the ground of high principle” and “implicitly legitimated the claims of other sectors for federal assistance.” Critics raised the same criticisms they would raise about Obama’s bailout plans seventy-eight years later. If the banks get a bailout, why not everyone else? Were bailouts only for the rich?"

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/07/0082562

[geek tragedy]

24. "The great bank bailout of 1931."

The Great Depression started in 1929.

[imdjh]

5. I thought Bush was Hoover and Obama was FRD

[librechik]

11. sadly no, although some still have Hope

me? I paid attention when he appointed Geithner and Summers. That wasn't a fluke. As much as I am moved by the Obama narrative, and respect his intelligence and character, I am no longer a believer in the Hope dope.

[Cerridwen]

6. "without coming off as unreasonable assholes." Uh, 'scuse me?

We're painted as such regardless of how we present it.

That's like worrying about how the r/w is going to respond to any Democratic issue; they'll paint it as "evil" regardless.

Anything that questions the status quo is labeled unreasonable and/or "evil" and its proponents labeled the same. It comes from both sides and it's fucking old.

[geek tragedy]

10. The charge becomes stronger when objectively true. nt

[Cerridwen]

15. Define "objective."

I'm amazed at how that word is thrown around as though the person using it doesn't have an agenda and that the person with a differing viewpoint does.

[Cheney Killed Bambi]

26. Exactly

All this rhetoric is going to come back to bite us in the next elections.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

12. They don't want you to drop your pom pom's at this point

How dare we not be happy with the status quo.

[Cerridwen]

16. I've never owned pom poms.

I've also never benefited to any great degree from the status quo and I can sure as shit commiserate with those who've "benefited" even less.

They can shove their pom poms up their status quo.

edited for a whole word phrase. LOL

[spiritual_gunfighter]

20. Exactly n/t

[geek tragedy]

22. Oh, the cheerleader reference--the favorite cliche of Obama-hating

leftwing Teabaggers.

How very original.

Go ahead, make a 'cultist' reference. I mean, it's what your allies on the right do.

[Cerridwen]

27. Project, much?

Where was President Obama's name even mentioned in the post to which you replied or the subsequent posts, for that matter?

Some of us are quite capable of seeing this as an ongoing "battle" between the "haves and have-nots."

Check my sigline. Grab a clue. A hold your jerking knee.

eta: spelling, of course.

[geek tragedy]

30. The usual suspects here refer to anyone who supports

Obama as a 'cheerleader.'

If you think that it's stupid to compare Obama to Herbert Hoover, for instance, you're a cheerleader in their eyes.

[Cerridwen]

35. 'Kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

"If you think that it's stupid to compare Obama to Herbert Hoover," you could of course provide some input as to why that comparison does or doesn't work -or- you could just call 'em a "cheerleader" or "hater" -or- you could not engage -or- you could find some other way to respond -or- ...

Yeah, I know, it's "the internets" and "that's just the way it is" and to expect otherwise would just, ya know, maybe change something; but, let's not change anything and just accept that "that's just the way it is."

*sigh*

[geek tragedy]

38. Herbert Hoover sat on his ass for two years after the start

of the Great Depression. Two years.

That alone makes the comparison completely idiotic.

[Cerridwen]

44. Thank you.

I've not formed a solid opinion about the current admin.'s actions. I do continually wonder how putting in charge, or retaining, those who were present for events which launched the current economic conditions can now work to change the conditions which they didn't prevent last time.

Can you explain the logic? It doesn't make sense to me.

[geek tragedy]

45. The problem is that the only people you're going to find

who know how those institutions function on an intimate basis are those who had a role in operating them or regulating them in the first place.

It's a general dynamic of outsider vs insider. The outsider will have a fresh perspective and will be able to challenge unhealthy orthodoxies and false assumptions.

However, it takes an insider to work within institutions to make them work better.

JFK, a relative outsider, got the ball rolling (as far as the federal legislative response is concerned) on civil rights, but it was LBJ--the classic insider--who actually got legislation through the Congress that had blocked such legislation for decades.

It sounds very attractive to just say "screw the banks" and approach a blunt, brute force attack on them. But, that's not how you treat a tumor.

[Cerridwen]

49. My computer's acting up. I'll get back with you later. n/t

[spiritual_gunfighter]

28. I have noticed that you are all over every thread

that dare question some of Obama's policy decisions, rabidly defending everything he does, all the while disparaging those who have problems with the decisions of his administration. You used the word cultist not me, but there is plenty of evidence to support it.

[geek tragedy]

29. There's plenty to criticize.

But, there's policy criticism and then there's criticism motivated by partisan hostility.

[blindpig]

14. As a friend said,

"Obama needed to be an FDR but he's Silent Cal with a LBJ foreign policy."

"The business of America is business."

[geek tragedy]

25. You should get smarter, more literate friends. nt

[blindpig]

31. Doubt that

That statement was dead on, only the willfully deluded could deny it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

32. I agree with Geek.

Your friend's a fucking moron.

[geek tragedy]

34. Willfully deluded=99% of the population that rejects Karl Marx as the Messiah.

I must have missed Cal Coolidge's $787 Billion stimulus package. Or Obama's deployment of 500,000 US troops after staging a Gulf of Tonkin false flag operation.

[hfojvt]

36. Hey, there's more than 1% celebrating cinco de Mayo n/t

I wonder if some of the DUers upset with the stimulus bill are in the camp that wanted to see $10,000 per household instead.

[blindpig]

46. Such confusion

Just cause you got a Messiah doesn't mean I've got metaphysical delusions. Just an utterly rational tool for understanding things.

The point, Your Obtuseness, is that the administration is quite obviously putting business interest before the needs of the mass of citzenry, where are the jobs, where is the health care? How many jobs have that $787 million produced? What was needed was a WPA and a CCC but what we get is some sort of trickle down bullshit. As per LBJ, the point is that he is escalating a war in the face of the opposition of the majority of the American people.

[JoseGaspar]

37. You have now posted 8 times on this thread

without saying a single thing of substance. Other than rudely enforcing some lame agenda of your own, what have you got to say?

Explain how Obama is much more like FDR than he is like Hoover. Explain how he has focused on job programs rather than budget balancing (he hasn't). Explain something.

[geek tragedy]

39. You're saying he's been more concerned with balancing the budget

than focusing on job creation?

Tell you what: Google "Obama stimulus deficit" and then we'll talk.

[JoseGaspar]

41. No we won't.

You don't talk. You posture.

The subject is Obama's anti-recessionary policy in comparison to Hoover's and FDR's. It is your podium. Go.

[geek tragedy]

42. You're claiming that Obama is more concerned with

reducing deficits and 'fiscal discipline' than in job creation and preventing recession.

That is a bald-faced lie.

He supported government intervention to prevent the finance system from collapsing last year. He also pushed through a $787 Billion dollar stimulus-- that was less than he asked for--which was strictly deficit spending.

So, to sit there and say he's being like Herbert Hoover-who did NOTHING for two years after the onset of the Great Depresssion--is blatantly false and ignorant.

[JoseGaspar]

55. That is what I thought.

You have nothing, but feel the need to say it anyway. I expected at least a minor Google-session. Instead, insults and platitudes... and turn it all on the "opponent". It was your turn to say what you thought.

Are you ELIZA?

[spiritual_gunfighter]

40. Geek Tragedy

makes a habit of posting on these threads defending every decision or non decision the Obama administration makes. There was another thread the other day where he posted 22 times, saying nothing but defending and launching ad hominem attacks. Expect to see more I am sure.

[geek tragedy]

43. Wow, someone counts my posts? Sounds like I have my own

Stalkerazzi here. And it is hilarious that someone who smears all people who disagree with him/her as 'cheerleaders' complains as much as you do about this.

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[Hippo_Tron]

48. Here's a novel idea...

Barack Obama is not Herbert Hoover and he's not Franklin Roosevelt. He's Barack Obama.

:think:

[WeDidIt]

50. Yep, and I like Barack Obama when he's Barack Obama

All this bullshit of trying to label Obama as somebody he is not gets on my nerves.

[AllentownJake]

54. I liked him when he was a candidate

A lot less as a President. Doesn't seem to have the strategy and boldness thing as locked down as he did when he was running for President.

[Tippy]

51. Novel idea indeed........problem with most is they lack reasoning powers....n/t

[AllentownJake]

52. Not a bad comparison

Look up Herbert Hoover's policies.

[inna]

53. "Morons at FDL"???

FDL is a progressive site, FYI.

[FLAprogressive]

57. Obama's financial flunkies are the same people who got us into this mess. Now we trust them to get

us out of it?