The list of 9/11-era pols shitting their pants over a KSM trial is growing...

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Just now on MSNBC there was a debate on the wisdom of trying accused 9/11 conspirator Kahlid Sheikh Muhammed in New York rather than in a military tribunal. Featured was former NY governor George Pataki who was, of course, completely against bringing the trial to U.S. soil while Glen Greenwald and another guy (forget his name) argued in favor of the Justice Dept decision.

Pataki joins a growing list compiled by yours truly of 9/11-era major players who are absolutely panicked and shitting their britches over a NYC trial for KSM. He was turning red and appeared visibly shaken at the prospect. He joins Congressman Pete Sessions who said a trial would expose all involved to danger by making them "targets", including juries, witnesses, and attorneys. John McCain was livid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jS-LJpG3HI">Giulliani was dumbfounded and squeally saying "I just don't get it."

These men and more like them who were in charge of things on 9/11 are fear-mongering in their pleas that bringing KSM to NY is already making America less safe. These men, and others who are expressing vehemently their opinions that KSM should not be tried in NY but rather in a military tribunal, appear to be in a panic rather than simply stating their views on the issue. Didn't ALL of these guys puiblicly state the need to bring 9/11 perpetrators to justice? And, now that it's happening they seem to be shitting where they sit. What are they afraid of?


Ed. note: I looked for video of McCain and Sessions and any others I could find but I did find a vid with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw4wB37QGIU">Karl Rove spewing the same fear, fear, fear - that bringing KSM to the U.S. will place our entire existance in jeopardy: . He, like the rest, are in a complete red-faced panic. If anyone finds any vids of these criminals speaking on the Justice Dept. decision to try KSM in NY, please post them as a response to this post.

[Echo In Light]

1. Shocking, I tell you

K&R

[niyad]

2. one has to wonder just what they are so afraid of. we know for damned sure they aren't in the least

concerned about jurors' safety or any of the blather they are spewing.

[Bitwit1234]

3. What I can't understand is

so if they are worried that terrorist will target the jury, why aren't they worried the terrorist will target the military if they are tried in Gitmo. There is something deeply hidden here that they are having a panic attack because they don't want it to come out.

The media HAS to cover this trial. The republican owned media has kept everything about bush and the republicans involvement in torture and anything connected to this prison. Now there is no way they can cover up what goes on in this trial.

They are so adept at giving the republican side to everything, even ignoring the a**hole Coburn who is blocking this veteran bill, goodness knows what the media is censuring about this prison and it's interrogation techniques.

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4. Agreed. But torture should'nt be a concern for, for instance, Giulliani

or Pataki. Yet, they are panicking anyways. They should be happy the criminals that attacked their city will be prosecuted there, but they aren't. I, for one, wonder what they are so worried about.

[democraticinsurgent]

13. Ghouliani owes his career to 9/11

...and it's highly questionable how he was able to profit so nicely from it.

His "security company" was able to purchase the building that housed the National Enquirer in Florida, after the "mysterious" anthrax attack on their photographer. Probably got it for a song.

I feel certain that Rudy is deeply embedded in some 9/11 secrets that he never dreamed might be dragged into a terrorism trial.

[Sinti]

28. "highly questionable how he was able to profit" - LOL

That's what they do, all of them. They make money on blood, death and misery - been that way for over 100 years.

[Sebastian Doyle]

36. No question that Rudy and his pal Bernie Kerik were involved in the coverup

Why else would Chimpy have considered that stupid hack son of a bitch for even one second as the leader of Reichland Security? (Until his criminal dealings disqualified him, of course)

Rudy is very nervous, and probably deservedly so. At the very least, he had to have been involved in the demolition of WTC 7.

[Echo In Light]

7. Sudden, "unforeseen" events surely looming 'round the bend...to save the day!

?

[kentuck]

5. Yep!

They are on the verge of collapsing. They are breaking before our eyes. I wonder what will be the last straw??

[sinkingfeeling]

6. I'm old and I've never seen politicians in the USA act so terrified. When we faced the

real nuclear threat of the USSR, no body was as cowardly as these guys are.

[kentuck]

9. The "terrorist" threat replaced the Red Scare...

After the Soviet Union collapsed, we needed another enemy (long-term) to keep feeding the beast called the Military Industrial Complex. They sense they are losing the threat that they use to remain in power..

[Echo In Light]

12. PNAC provided the stratagem and blueprint for doing just that

[KansDem]

15. I couldn't agree more!

I've been telling my friends and family, and anyone else who would listen, for years that the US has to have a "boogyman." After WWI it was the "anarchist." Spooky characters running around with bombs. Just look to the California gubernatorial campaign on 1934 when the movie moguls, who despised Sinclair (he was a Socialist, don't you know!), ran bogus "man on the street" interviews that show Sinclair supporters in less than flattering terms. I also wonder if this boogyman also coincided with the rise of unions during this time, as a way to counter workers' rights.

Then there was the "communist" following WWII. That boogyman guided our foreign and domestic policies for over 40 years. Then the Berlin Wall fell in 1989 and we were without a boogyman. Remember how some felt we would reap a "peace dividend" since we wouldn't have to have B-52s flying 24 hours a day, 365 days a year? But, no! There were those, probably in the M/I complex, saying "don't count on a peace dividend!"

But what to do? No boogyman? Well, enter the "terrorist" with the first WTC bombing in 1994. And now we have a boogyman to once again dictate our national policie$$$.

[OHdem10]

8. The GOP knows and are not afraid to fight back. They are trying

to prevent a public trial because they do not want possibly
embarasing information about the the GOP and GWB(war on terror0
to come out for public consumption. The fear is the red herring
used to distract from the real reason they are objecting. Also
they want approach to terrorism to reamain war mode. They do
not want it treated as a crime. War War War. Changing to crime
and criminal trials could mean they were wrong all along.
This attack on Administration has been going full blast since
Holder made the announcement.

BTW, not necessarily in conjunction with this story but this
story plus all they see wrong--GOP, that is--Hemmer at Fox
Is Obama a ONE TERM PRESIDENT. I pointed out about 2 weeks
ago, we are being set up for this. I did not expect the one
term President theme to come so soon.

Never forget the GOP are protecting themselves and their Administration.
This is the basis of their spreading fear about Civil Trials.

[Echo In Light]

11. And will they go to equal lengths to prolong 'war' as they did to enter into it?

[gmoney]

10. I think it IS going to be harder to get a conviction here

Check me if I'm wrong on this, but as soon as the defense lawyer says "these confessions and facts were obtained via torture" (and shows corroborating evidence) won't the judge be obliged to throw out the confessions and various incriminating evidence, and instruct the jury to disregard? And that might force the jury into a situation of "well, we KNOW he did it, but with so much evidence thrown out, it's not possible to PROVE he did it, so not guilty."

And I also wonder if, through discovery and the public trial, if a lot of intelligence resources won't be compromised... might make the Valerie Plame thing look insignificant by comparison.

Not trolling, but Bushco fucked up by torturing them. Guess they were counting on a military tribunal that could be counted on to disregard the whole torture thing.

[leftynyc]

14. Do you think Eric Holder is an idiot?

If there wasn't a mountain of evidence without any taint whatsoever, he wouldn't take the risk. That's why some are still being tried my military tribunal. He picked these cases very carefully.

[mopinko]

16. are you sure he wants a conviction?

perhaps he is looking more to pull the curtain back, and to show that even the biggest of the big "enemies" are nothing of the sort.
i don't know the answer to that. just askin'.

[leftynyc]

31. Yes - he wants a conviction

As an acquittal or anything less than a conviction would be very bad news for Pres Obama. And Holder is just doing what his boss is asking him to do.

[mopinko]

32. the first half of your statement may be true.

the second half is pure bullshit.

[leftynyc]

37. You think Holder has gone rogue?

That the President wants something else and Holder is leading him around on a leash?

[havocmom]

17. LOL It's not trial in NYC but fact that it is to be a real trial, not tribunal, that worries them?

Oh, so it is AMERICAN JUSTICE these pols fear. Probably with good cause.

They are working mighty hard to push all the fear hot buttons for the populace, but they seem to be the only ones afraid of this trial.

My ol momma used to say: If you don't want people to know something, it's probably something you're ashamed of.

[FarCenter]

18. Maybe we'll find out more about the CIA's relations with Al Qaeda?

Depending on how the judge and prosecution are able to manage the trial.

[Echo In Light]

19. ...or, how the judge and prosecution are 'managed'

[MerryBlooms]

20. I caught Pataki this morning on Ratigan's show

Pataki was absolutely repulsive and over the top with his fear mongering.
It was quite a display of irrational fear and rw bullshit.

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22. Thanks. I knew I wasn't imagining it. The video is now up and I have

posted the link below in post #21.

Edited to add: A very warm DU welcome to you, MerryBlooms!

[MerryBlooms]

34. On the bright side

The more these right wingers are paraded out and show themselves for the slime they are, maybe more and more people will finally catch on to the bs.

Thank you for the warm welcome.

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21. Morning Meeting video with Pataki:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31510813/

Edited to add: MM is now showing clips of various responses to Holder's announcement re: KSM. Of course, it's falling right down party lines. More after commercial break.

[Mopar151]

23. Some observsations

1) I ga-ron-damm-tee that there is enough "clean" evidence to convict - otherwise, they would'nt be coming to New York for open trial
2) We have plenty of our own terrorists locked up in prison now - Terry Nichols, the Kehoe brothers, Aryan Brotherhood, Al-Rucans..And nobody's busted out of a Supermax yet, or so I hear.
3) The Boss is a chess player - he has said that he only wants to look forward, but ya know - an awful lot is gonna come out, and he'll be :popcorn: :popcorn: above it all, as "shocked" as the rest of us.
4) What a bunch of pantywaists! To paraphrase Chris Rock "Moderates don't give 2 shits, neocons be quakin' in they boots!"
5) If you left it up to me, I would treat them as much like regular (hi-risk, violent) prisoners as possible, including the Tombs,and Riker's Island. Bad food, no special diet, stinky winos and sick junkies for company....

[donco]

24. Anyone want to bet that

the Cheney's, both father and daughter, will be out sometime this week showing their concern.:eyes:

On a side note, if the trial is held on NYC I wouldn’t bet to much on KSM living to see the end of the trial if he is held in the tombs.

[liberal_at_heart]

25. I don't know what they are worried about

If he's aquitted I bet a mob of *good* Christians will probably hunt him down and hang him.

[malaise]

26. That interview this morning was excellent

Greenwald tore Pataki a new one.

Great post.

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27. Thanks, malaise. I just don't get how they could go from cheering on

a war to go after these criminals and then want to wither from trying them in a court of law.

[malaise]

35. They're afraid

People will hear the truth and that always scares Rethugs.

[jmowreader]

29. I think they're absolutely right to be terrified

You know how every so often they publish lists of the worst jobs in America? And things like bull masturbator, portapotty pumper and roadkill collector always show up on the list? Right now, the very worst job in America is to be Khalid Sheikh Mohammad's defense attorney. The guy's guilty as shit. We all know that. More to the point, the guy is going to wind up buried behind a federal penitentiary--either killed by other inmates, executed or dead of old age.

Thinking out loud: if I was in charge of KSM's defense team, I would take down as many Bush administration officials as I possibly could--turn them into accessories before the fact. There were vast numbers of red flags waving. If the Bush administration, specifically Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld and Rice, would have heeded and acted upon these warning signs, KSM would be standing before you accused of planning a failed terror attack instead of the single largest terror success in history. There is no question my client's actions killed thousands of Americans, destroyed billions in public and private property and created the impetus to turn America into a police state. There is also no question that Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld and Rice's inaction enabled him to do it.

And I'm pretty sure we can wind up tossing America's Mayor, Bernie Kerik and a bunch of NYC-level pols into the same cell block as the Bush people.

[Sinti]

30. Perhaps they're afraid

during the trials the American people will find out how much like a certain unmentionable group we were only not committing the atrocities at home but abroad. If you were Yoo, wouldn't you be afraid? Crushing a child's testicles is okay? What kind of monsters will come out that we don't yet know, since we know that one and some say nothing?

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[Tippy]

38. When I first heard about the Gov.decision to hold the trial in NYC

My thought was this will give the families closure....Then all the screaming started...Well I says to myself. Why this reaction and what were the families saying....Didn't hear family reactions...but I sure hear-ed Giulliani's reaction along with Rethug politician's both in and out of office...you know what I felt fear...God forbid...been here..done that..Then I tells myself, that is exactly what they want, they want me to fear Islamic Terrorist. Don't ask questions...Don't discuss this issue with people on DU, TT, or even write a letter to the editor..Some days I feel I my be suffering from PTSD although I have not served in the Military or been to war except with brain Dead Rethugs..and I feel most are brain dead simply because they keep pulling the same stunts over and over again..For why they are reacting this way to the decision to hold the trials in NYC...FEAR they FEAR, Americans will learn the TRUTH...

[Tippy]

40. NOW HEAR THIS!!!!!!

Buried in the internals of the new Marist poll of New York City residents is a striking finding: Opposition to trying Khalid Sheik Mohammed and his co-conspirators in a New York court is almost entirely driven by old, white, and Republican voters.

[closeupready]

39. Always so ironic - the WOT is about defending freedoms 'they hate us for', trial by jury being one.

Either we believe in trial by jury or we don't. Republicans, of course, believe in whatever they feel like at the moment.

[Echo In Light]

41. An interesting comparison: RW specifically chose NY for their 04 convention for the same reasons